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  1. Will Bitcoin remain range bound in consolidation mode for the summer? Death cross approaching, some investors heading back into fiat on the sidelines until a confirmation to the upside, others keeping their fingers crossed on a btc surge next week following a short term drop.  

    Back story; More  crypto whales are moving their btc from exchanges into storage suggesting a bottom might be in despite the real possibility of short-term downside. Short term risk on remaining for alt coins... DYOR.


  2. On 5/28/2021 at 9:37 AM, Warfish said:

    Are there #1 pick QB's who say they DO want to let their teammates down? :-k

    It's amazing how hyped some folks get over empty platitudes.  Did he say he's going to give 110% too?

    The book has already been written and rewritten on football fresh takes. The excitement remains the same for the cliches left to fill the void of a thousand off seasons between now and eternity.

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  3. Top takeaway from Donald Trump's reported involvement in Patriots probe: Spygate will never die and NFL looks worse for it

    Dan Wetzel
    Dan Wetzel
    Wed, May 26, 2021, 6:08 PM
    Let’s start with this: ESPN’s latest Spygate story is an absolutely delicious, dead-of-the-offseason mystery for NFL fans. It's both believable and perhaps less so. It features backroom deals, political corruption, football, loyalties (real and perceived), quiet martinis, Mar-a-Lago dinners, hotel confrontations, campaign money, cheating and, well, so much more. You should read it in full.

    They could have made it a cable drama — "Arlen of Eastown," maybe. Or just the next season of "Billions."

    The central question that ESPN investigated is this:

    In 2008, did Donald Trump, then a real estate developer and reality television personality, get Arlen Specter, then a United States senator from Pennsylvania, to back off an investigation into the New England Patriots Spygate scandal by promising that Pats owner Robert Kraft would make a political donation and/or payoff?

    The answer isn’t 100 percent clear. The question and the reporting is fascinating though — unless you’re one of the many people in modern American society that only want to hear exactly what you want to hear about Trump, Kraft, Bill Belichick, the Pats, the NFL, Roger Goodell or a U.S. senator.

    If you are one of those people, if you are too sensitive to handle any examination of impropriety by your hero (whomever that is), then go read something else.

    For the rest of us, here’s my deep dive into this rather entertaining plot twist.

    Did Patriots owner Robert Kraft instruct Donald Trump to bribe former senator Arlen Specter to make his Spygate investigation go away? It seems unlikely. (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
    Did Patriots owner Robert Kraft instruct Donald Trump to bribe former Sen. Arlen Specter to make his Spygate investigation go away? It seems unlikely. (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)

    The Background

    In 2007, the Patriots were caught videotaping the defensive signals of the New York Jets from an unauthorized area of the old Meadowlands Stadium. Three days later the NFL stripped the Pats of a first-round draft pick and fined the team and head coach Bill Belichick.

    Within a week, the NFL said it had destroyed all evidence and deemed the case closed. This led to critics arguing the investigation was rushed and didn’t adequately look into any prior acts, including previous Super Bowl triumphs. That group included Specter, a longtime critic of the NFL who by February 2008 began an investigation and threatened to bring NFL commissioner Roger Goodell in front of Congress to testify.

    The investigation eventually went nowhere. Specter lost a primary election in 2010 and died two years later due to complications from non-Hodgkin lymphoma.

    Did Trump steer Specter away?

    Maybe. In an autobiography published in 2012, Specter wrote that: “On the signal stealing, a mutual friend had told me that 'if I laid off the Patriots, there'd be a lot of money in Palm Beach.' And I replied, 'I couldn't care less.’”

    In the book, Specter didn’t identify the “mutual friend” although records show he had dinner about that time with Trump at Trump’s Palm Beach social club, Mar-a-Lago. Trump was friends with both Specter, whom through the years he donated $11,300 to various campaigns dating back to 1983, and Kraft, the owner of the Patriots, who also maintained a home in Palm Beach.

    Specter’s son and the ghost writer of the book say the “mutual friend” was Trump.

    "My father told me that Trump was acting as a messenger for Kraft," Shanin Specter told ESPN. "But I'm equally sure the reference to money in Palm Beach was campaign contributions, not cash. The offer was Kraft assistance with campaign contributions. ... My father said it was Kraft's offer, not someone else's."

    So Trump was the go-between?

    Yeah, but …

    There are no records that Kraft or any of the billionaire’s businesses ever donated any money to Specter. The two did meet in 2010 at a hotel suite in Boston where Specter sought campaign donations.

    Instead, according to tapes of Specter talking for the 2012 book, Kraft brought up the congressional investigation and deemed it “very unfair” to the Patriots. Specter wound up with no money.

    So, if Trump was working to set up campaign donations in exchange for Specter to stop poking around about Spygate, then it doesn’t appear Kraft was down with the plan or even knew about it. He never gave any money and instead aggressively confronted Specter.

    Perhaps Trump just tricked Specter, doing a favor for his buddy Kraft, who as a fellow businessman he probably liked more than a politician he needed to be friends with. Maybe Trump just bluffed and made Specter think Kraft would provide a campaign windfall if Specter backed off the Spygate stuff.

    Trump certainly knew that politicians are easily, and often unduly, influenced, not just by a campaign donation but by the prospect of future contributions. After all, here was a Pennsylvania senator having dinner in Florida with a New York businessman even though Trump gave him only a little over $11,000 in nearly 30 years of campaigns.

    And there was that same Pennsylvania senator traveling to Boston to seek money from a Massachusetts businessman. That's odd behavior from a senator who supposedly “couldn’t care less” about money.

    Any suggestion that this was a bribe and not a possible campaign donation makes little sense. There is almost no way that Kraft would risk imprisonment, not to mention the loss of his franchise, to bribe an adversarial U.S. senator over a matter this trivial. Besides, per ESPN, Specter never reported an illegal bribe offer to Senate ethics officials.

    What we do know is that Specter’s congressional investigation essentially ended. Maybe it was because lacking subpoena power, the concept was doomed. Or maybe it was because he thought he’d get that “Palm Beach money.”

    Whatever it was, Specter did what Kraft wanted and didn’t get a dime for it. That’s embarrassing and just one reason Specter looks far, far worse in this than Trump or Kraft, who don’t seem to have done much of anything wrong here.

    As for the NFL ...

    The ESPN report looks terrible for the league. It reminds that Goodell’s office, in an effort to squash criticism of Spygate, “persuaded the Eagles and Steelers to release statements insisting the league had done its due diligence, even though executives with both teams were convinced the NFL investigation was flawed and deliberately incurious.”

    It also notes that Goodell personally called Mike Martz, the head coach of the 2001 St. Louis Rams who lost to New England in the Super Bowl that season, and asked him to release a similar statement. Martz told ESPN that the statement that was eventually released “had been significantly altered by the league.”

    This also may explain some of Goodell and the NFL’s actions on the Patriots second famous scandal — 2015’s Deflategate.

    In that one, the league went scorched earth and operated beyond ethical norms to label the Patriots and quarterback Tom Brady as cheats for playing with allegedly underinflated footballs. The league never proved the footballs in the 2015 AFC championship game were deflated, and most of the case stemmed from its initial lack of understanding of the science behind Ideal Gas Law.

    This is speculative, but you can see why Goodell, who had minimized Spygate and then had to fend off a powerful U.S. senator who was threatening the league’s coveted antitrust exemption, would be particularly angered, and even vengeful, when the same team came up in a cheating scandal a few years later.

    It’s a hell of a way to run a business.

    The Conclusion

    First off, Spygate may never end. It’s been nearly 14 years and now it's dragging a former president into its retelling.

    As for this story, no one knows for sure but we’re going with Trump fooled Specter into thinking he’d get big money out of Kraft if he backed off, only for Specter to go seek out that money and have Kraft stiff him.

    In all likelihood, Kraft didn’t even know what Trump was up to. If there is one thing we’ve learned about Donald Trump, he has a way of outmaneuvering Washington politicians in ways they never saw coming.

  4. Barmore is an exciting violent player, he didn't start that many games but 8 sacks in 2020, a powerful addition to the Patriots D line. Perkins seems like good value.

    Mac Jones was scorned as unathletic and a system qb but he's bright, apparently has a photographic memory and is very accurate. He seems like a better fit for New England than Cam Newton...what shakes out in their training camp will be interesting. 

    Unless you're a fan of another team in denial, it's clear with the Covid opt-out returnees, free agency acquisitions and a good draft, the Patriots  should be back in contention.


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  5. 41 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

    This is not 100% true. With AVT the Jets can leave him and Becton on an island, and then the protections can be used to help the weak guard if needed. Assuming he is what we think he is an elite guard improves the entire OL. IOL gets downplayed because a lesser talent can be an "OK" guard but very top guards are gamechangers. There is just not that many of them

    I'm still skeptical that Becton can stay healthy for a full season.

    Vera Tucker is a player with exciting potential and I understand you're a big Wilson proponent but ZW he had all day to sit back behind the BYU oline last season; we'll see how much the Jets can replicate that BYU level of protection for him in the AFC East alone.  Miami added Jaelen Philips, the Bills added Greg Rousseau, the Pats added Christian Barmore and Ronnie Perkins. Not a bad bunch of rookies to test the Jets oline, if they manage to see some playing time for their respective teams. Roll on September.

  6. On Move The Sticks, they liked the Jets trade up but in talking about the league in general, they always talk about how an oline is only as good as it's weakest starting player. They contend that opposing defenses scheme around teeing off on the weakest player on a teams oline.

    Maybe in a zone scheme the line will perform better but If Clarke does not beat out Van Roten or we get lucky someone's last minute pre-season cut (like we did with Pete Kendall when he was cut from Arizona before the 2004 season), Van Roten and Fant on the right side of the line will continued to be targeted by opposing defenses. 

    Derrishaw wasn't as highly rated as Vera Tucker, but having Derrishaw, at 23, Elijah Moore in the second round and then drafting guard and center with the two third round picks, seemed to me like a better use of resources for oline depth i.e. keeping Wilson off IR.

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  7. The game itself and the NFL season proper, September to January, I no longer find compelling.  With digital technology during the actual games, I am on my computer, my attention divided across the league between multiple games. A three hour football game, with timeouts, and ad breaks no longer stands up against the short attention span of a 21st century world. When we had compelling story lines (our coach liked feet) or characters worth rooting for, there was a reason to watch. Even the sound bites were compelling.

    Today with podcasts, minute by minute draft emerging draft rumors on ever evolving digital media, it's a blast every late winter into early spring. Unknown geeks broadcasting from their basements hold our attention with football minutia. The worst teams are placed to select the great talents or the greatest busts. It's a cliff hanger and my absolute favorite time of year.

  8. Impressive that small school Quinn Meinerz dominating at the senior bowl despite not playing ball since 2019. He broke his right hand at the senior bowl in January still managed 33 reps of 225lbs on his pro day.
    Meinerz in an interview with Geoff Schwartz on his "Smarter Than You" podcast said the Eagles have shown the most interest. Packers, Niners, Steelers, Panthers, Bengals and Patriots were in attendance at his pro day.

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  9. Mims and his up coming year will depend, in small part, on the upgrades to the oline in this month's draft. Nothing of significance apart from an impressive mullet in free agency to upgrade the protection up front, the frontline trench await reinforcements.

    Whomever is back there slinging the rock may continue to miss open receivers if the Jets line remains as the third worst group of pass block/ and the third worst group of run blockers  in the NFL (ESPN Next Gen Stats, regular season 2020) . It's currently constructed as a house of cards.

    If Clark develops into a starter and/or Becton stays healthy for a full season, it will help.

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  10. 15 minutes ago, football guy said:

    Not meant to be a troll, but something I have honestly been thinking about: which fanbase will be more triggered when their respective team passes on Fields: #JetsTwitter (loud-minority) or #NinersFaithful 

    The Niners fans seem pretty juiced about Fields with the video of a smiling Kyle at his workout today. They understand the logic of Mac Jones for Kyle Shanahan but just like fans here, they're on an emotional roller coaster ride since their team's trade. Mac Jones seems to a nightmare scenario for most of them. They're mostly hoping for  Fields, even preferring him to Wilson in the one 49'er fan poll I found.

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  11. 2 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

    Depends how old you are. I’m 5 years away from 30 years old(unfortunately).

    I don’t appreciate the “little boy” stuff as much as you don’t appreciate being mocked for making a moot point.

    I'm sure you don't, as I don't appreciate the "Nice, do you want a cookie?"

    If you are polite in debate and respectful, you will receive it in return. If you don't like someone's argument on the football facts, you can respectfully disagree or ignore the comment. Mocking other posters invites being mocked. 

    We debate, we make points, back and forth. We are all frequently wrong and right. Disagreeing about football is fun when there is mutual respect. Jet Nation is fullI  of amazing, genuine, informed, funny football posters. I considered you a good poster with differing views to mine, before this exchange.

    My original point was relevant. If you are going to use a source in your debate as standard of truth, ideally it should be a good source. My position that I was making was that Sam Monson is not a good source of reference. He has a singular opinion on a great platform, nothing more than that. 

     Josh Allen was an important example as to how wrong Monson can be. Despite all the data, he's not particularly an accurate forecaster. Josh Allen is entirely relevant, as is Monson's forecasting on Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield or Lamar Jackson.

    Disagreeing is okay, mocking will change the direction of our conversation as it will every other conversation on this forum.

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  12. 4 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

    Ok & what is your point exactly? I don’t believe I said Sam Monson is the knower of all things pro QB lol. He is right about Darnold in this instance. I don’t care what he had to say about Josh Allen in the same breath. Plenty of people are right about one guy & wrong about the other in the same draft class each & every year.

    You are wrong about Sam Monson "hating Sam pre-draft".

    Yes he had concerns about fumbles/interceptions but he also talked about his elite playmaking, higher than any qb in that draft.

    He had Baker Mayfield 'head and shoulders" above the other quarterbacks but they had Darnold rated #2 in the entire draft class.

    How is it possible to to hate Darnold pre-draft and rank him #2 on the entire draft board?

    April 23rd 2018  a few days before the draft PFF of which Sam Monson is a significant part of, ranked Sam Darnold No. 2 in the Draft. Not Merely in quarterback Rankings, but in the draft Big board.

    Here is what PFF (of which Monson is a significant part of) had to say 


    "Darnold’s high-end play is as good as it gets in the class, as he has next-level feel in the middle of the field and he’s capable of making big plays outside of structure. Those skills showed through with the No. 2 percentage of big-time throws in the draft class last season, though he must improve his ball security after posting the fifth-highest percentage of turnover-worthy plays. Darnold has two years of excellent production at a young age and that should translate to the NFL."

    No 2 on the Big Board, that's some 'hating' right there.

  13. 1 hour ago, Patriot Killa said:

    Monson hated Sam pre-draft.

    Monson is not a point of reference for the truth.

    Monson hated Josh Allen Pre draft.


    April 23rd 2018 PFF ranked their NFL Draft Big board

    Baker Mayfield 1.

    Sam Darnold 2.

    Josh Rosen 6.

    Lamar Jackson 19.

    Mason Rudolph 25.

    Josh Allen 35.

    Let's hope PFF are not the same kiss of death to their second favorite ranked QB in this years draft 

    Trevor Lawrence 1.

    Zackery Wilson 2.

    Justin Fields 3.

    Trey Lance 4.

    Mac Jones. 5.

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