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[Aaron Rodgers has Covid]

37 minutes ago, RobR said:

I said I wasn't going to post in this thread but bravo for a great and informed post. The fact that 5-11 year olds are now able to get vaccinated....again if we call it a vaccine, is sheer lunacy. To date according to the CDC only 94 people in that age group have succumbed to Covid over an almost two year period and all with severe comorbidities, many with cancer. The common flu takes more lives in that age group than covid. 

Ditto on common sense. Your point on children is spot on including your number 94. To add to your point. There are 28,345,000 kids in the USA between the ages of 5 - 11 years of age. That’s a  99.999997% survival rate. You are insane to vaccinate your children with this “vaccine “

[Darnold regressing, throws INT on first play (Frankie Luvu blocks punt, Herndon catches TD. Oh my this MIN-CAR Game!)]

2 hours ago, jgb said:

Sam defenders love to cite Tannehill and Drew Brees. The comparison they should be making/hoping for is Vinny T.

"I submit that Testaverde didn't discover some fountain of youth or manage to delay the aging process. He was just really good. And when you are really good at age 30-35, you can afford to lose a little and still be able to play in the NFL to age 40. I can't help but wonder what would have happened if Testaverde had managed to end up with an offense that had a few more good players when he was entering his late 20's. My guess is that he would be practicing his Canton speech."

Full article below, it's pretty facinating:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/index3a5c.html?p=5449

Thanks - great eval. Probably true of Archie Manning also. If Brady played with Testaverdes TB players and coaches - wouldn’t be good. 
 

Mac Jones is in a good place and will reach his potential 

I really feel Zach Wilson is also in a good place just not ready as the Patriot system. After next year we will know 

[Darnold regressing, throws INT on first play (Frankie Luvu blocks punt, Herndon catches TD. Oh my this MIN-CAR Game!)]

It all comes down to system and coaching. Look at Vinny Testaverde - was a joke of the league until he met Bellicheck and Parcels. Imagine if he  started with them

[Darnold regressing, throws INT on first play (Frankie Luvu blocks punt, Herndon catches TD. Oh my this MIN-CAR Game!)]

I think the Pats do have a home run. The guy is smart, learning the system and goes through his progressions on the field. Wilson articulates the defenses and is bright but now needs to translate it to the field. If he can it’s gold.

[Darnold regressing, throws INT on first play (Frankie Luvu blocks punt, Herndon catches TD. Oh my this MIN-CAR Game!)]

15 hours ago, Biggs said:

Jones looks great.  

Jones is Chad Pennington II with a better arm. Perfect for the Patriots. Doesn’t have much more of a ceiling but  will become more skillful in that system. 

[Yes we should have kept Darnold]

12 hours ago, slimjasi said:

To be fair - he had a lot of drops

but he was also bad for a lot of the game 

the thing about the panthers is that they have a super soft schedule, so I think he will have some more positive moments this year. Having said that, I think Darnold’s limitations are clear at this point.

The Jets knew Darnold’s ceiling. They felt and gambled that Wilson will have a higher ceiling. If Zach Wilson fails in 2-3 years it’s on him - the Jets have the right coaching staff and vision just haven’t finished putting all the pieces in place.

Look at Mac Jones - doing well in an established stable system. He would be destroyed with the Jets

[hE’s SuCh A lEaDeR]

My fear with Wilson is that he knows it all in his head but it doesn’t translate to the action reaction on the field. Time will tell

[Mims is gonna have a monster day!]

I don’t want to mimimize what you are saying but his contribution was mimiscule. If I’m not mimstaken  he had  no catches. It’s an omimous sign of things to come.

[Jets Finally Giving Mims A Chance]

7 hours ago, Lith said:

All we are saying, is give Mims a chance.

That’s funny my inspiration came from Mimstrel in the Gallery by J Tull 

[Jets Finally Giving Mims A Chance]

Either way it was a mimstake keeping him off the field. 

[Jets Finally Giving Mims A Chance]

I don’t think we should Mimimize his impact 

[Jets Finally Giving Mims A Chance]

I think he’ll be Mimsmerizing

[Jets Finally Giving Mims A Chance]

Mums the word 

[Zach Wilson: all GAS but tap the brakes]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

Watching again the second INT Davis could have caught. High throw but catchable. The last INT was brutal but Elijah Moore gave basically zero effort on the ball too. The third pass was just a lazy throw but Moore didn’t give any effort to come back on the ball either. What’s this guys deal?

The last interception  was inexcusable. He can’t expect at this level to throw up contended balls in your own territory. The 3rd was a poor underthrown pass. The 1st one was impressive in that he attempted to throw back shoulder seeing the coverage in front of the receiver just  off leading to tip. The 2nd one was on the receiver 

[We got your back Zach!]

The silver lining is to look at Peyton Manning. He was a hot mess his first year. So there is hope. I think Wilson is mentally tough enough to get through this. 
Yes it’s good to be boring but don’t take the fire out from him. He has to test his limits to learn and improve. We just have to endure the ride

[Does the Jets Young Defense Stand a Chance?]

2 hours ago, Maynard13 said:

Great ****in song

Absolutely. Great band with the young Jools Holland on keyboards 

[NY Post, "Robert Saleh Coaching Staff Bringing Kyle Shanahan Playbook to Jets"]

Excellent article. Thank you. The tackling issue might be why the Jets got rid of Bless Austin 

[Rapoport: Herndon Traded to Vikings]

53 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

They got the value of a late 4th round pick in next year’s draft for Herndon.

You’re making it sound like a 4th minus a 6th is really like a mid-5th in next year’s draft. It isn’t (not that a mid-5th still wouldn’t be acceptable compensation anyway). Once the draft slots are known after the season, we’ll find out what the value was in hindsight, but as of today that’s what it is: a late 4th. They could trade down from Minnesota’s pick in round 4, recoup the value of the 6th rounder they gave up, and would still be in round 4. 

It’s great value (for the Jets) for a player who wasn’t running away with the starting job despite the ease with which he should’ve done so (given the Jets’ position group), and has cumulatively amassed under 800 receiving yards in his 3 year career. That seems a poor trade for Minnesota on paper.  

This is a very TE-friendly scheme, the Jets’ TE personnel sucks without him, and the coaches & GM would still rather have a mid-round pick a season later. That says plenty; the Jets know him far better than Minnesota.

I hear what you are saying. I’ve said this is a good trade for the Jets. There is no doubt.

we think it’s a bad trade for Minnesota because we feel that Herndon sucks.

Fair enough, but it’s not like Minnesota didn’t do their homework and not watch tape of him under Gase. They see something/ hope that he can succeed with their offense. There are plenty of players that have blossomed after 3 or 4 years of developing/ going to different teams. They are plugging Herndon into a starting role. They traded for a starter. We can laugh at it all we want and he may fail but right now (from Minnesota’s perspective) they traded for a starter and they still have a punchers chance of getting a NFL player with the 6th pick.

There are plenty of writers etc stating that it was a good trade by Minnesota. (And also for the Jets)

 

 

[Jets roster moves 09/01 - Zuniga released]

I guess with the TEs they found no one better on waivers and could not get a reasonable deal. 

[Jets roster moves 09/01 - Zuniga released]

Zuniga gone. Welcome his replacement Tim Ward

[53 Man Roster As of Right Now (End of Day - Sept 1)]

not sure if this is out there
 

Rich Cimini

 

@RichCimini

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#Jets roster moves: Re-sign: TE Ryan Griffin, TE Dan Brown, S Sharrod Neasman. Cut: DE Jabari Zuniga (2020 third-round pick) IR: LB Jarrad Davis, S Ashtyn Davis, OL Conor McDermott.

[Rapoport: Herndon Traded to Vikings]

4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

"Beyond" you?   You made it about that by repeatedly stating the 6th rounder going back to Minnesota makes it a good deal for Minnesota.  It doesn't.  If you think Herndon will be good for them, fine, we can debate that.  But you're objectively and empirically wrong when thinking there isn't much difference between a 4th & 6th.  

Now admit you're wrong, stop arguing that silly point, and the thread can go back to all the other things you're wrong about when evaluating Herndon and the trade.

In getting a 6th rounder plus a TE for a 4th rounder was a reasonably good deal  for Minnesota. As people have said we think Herndon  sucks therefore it was a great deal for the Jets. In other words the Jets basically received a 4th rounder for a 6th rounder for nothing. 
 

I happen to think that it’s good value by Minnesota to recover a draft pick (therefore maintain the same # of picks albeit one of lesser value) along with a player (who has arguable value). The percent of success of picks after the 3rd round drops off significantly. 

[Rapoport: Herndon Traded to Vikings]

How this has morphed into that this was a debate about the value of a 4th vs 6th is beyond me. 
 

it’s just an opinion that the Jets made a good trade not a a great trade as expressed by some. The idea that the Jets fleeced Minnesota by sending Herndon and a 6th rounder for a 4th rounder is not my definition of fleecing.

Many feel we fleeced Minnesota because Herndon sucks (“we were cutting him anyway”) and is unplayable. Maybe so. Then the Jets win the trade. The Jets get a 4th and Minnesota loses their  4th for a 6th. Not a horrible loss for Minnesota.

If Herndon has some level of success with Minnesota it’s good for them. Worth a gamble by them 

 

[Rapoport: Herndon Traded to Vikings]

Yeah what about him.

The draft is a crap shoot definitely after the 3rd round. Percentages bear that out. You can cherry pick through each draft to prove your points.

would I rather have a 4th round pick over a 6th - of course. Do the percentages in drafts history prove that a 4 th rounder is a lock compared to a 6th - not really.