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  1. 4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

    "Beyond" you?   You made it about that by repeatedly stating the 6th rounder going back to Minnesota makes it a good deal for Minnesota.  It doesn't.  If you think Herndon will be good for them, fine, we can debate that.  But you're objectively and empirically wrong when thinking there isn't much difference between a 4th & 6th.  

    Now admit you're wrong, stop arguing that silly point, and the thread can go back to all the other things you're wrong about when evaluating Herndon and the trade.

    In getting a 6th rounder plus a TE for a 4th rounder was a reasonably good deal  for Minnesota. As people have said we think Herndon  sucks therefore it was a great deal for the Jets. In other words the Jets basically received a 4th rounder for a 6th rounder for nothing. 
     

    I happen to think that it’s good value by Minnesota to recover a draft pick (therefore maintain the same # of picks albeit one of lesser value) along with a player (who has arguable value). The percent of success of picks after the 3rd round drops off significantly. 

  2. How this has morphed into that this was a debate about the value of a 4th vs 6th is beyond me. 
     

    it’s just an opinion that the Jets made a good trade not a a great trade as expressed by some. The idea that the Jets fleeced Minnesota by sending Herndon and a 6th rounder for a 4th rounder is not my definition of fleecing.

    Many feel we fleeced Minnesota because Herndon sucks (“we were cutting him anyway”) and is unplayable. Maybe so. Then the Jets win the trade. The Jets get a 4th and Minnesota loses their  4th for a 6th. Not a horrible loss for Minnesota.


    If Herndon has some level of success with Minnesota it’s good for them. Worth a gamble by them 

     

  3. Yeah what about him.

    The draft is a crap shoot definitely after the 3rd round. Percentages bear that out. You can cherry pick through each draft to prove your points.

    would I rather have a 4th round pick over a 6th - of course. Do the percentages in drafts history prove that a 4 th rounder is a lock compared to a 6th - not really.

  4. 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

     

    Fair, but even at his best he wasn't that impressive a player or athlete.  Even if Minnesota gets the 2018 version of Herndon, he was well outside of the top 10 TEs in the league in production, at a position that isn't very deep.  That isn't worth a 4, especially for a player on an expiring contract.  He's a rental and not a good one.

    If it was just a 4th I would agree with you. That’s a great trade. Minnesota received a 6th. There is not too much difference hitting on a 4th and 6th round pick in the draft.

     

  5. 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

     

    It's telling that you're using a bunch of positive opinions of Herndon that are clearly based on nothing tangible to form your opinions of this trade.

    Anyone who actually watches Herndon play knows he sucks.  Straight up.  Who gives a sh*t what some media members who never see him play think?

    Well one argument that he has going for him is that Adam Gase was the head coach. 

    Do you think Gase hindered his development?
     

  6. 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

    You know what team needs a talented athlete at TE really badly?

    The New York Jets.  

    And by the way, Herndon really isn't that talented.  Based on athletic ability he's actually below average at the TE position compared to his NFL peers.  Just look at his scores when he was coming out of Miami:

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    Hey I’m on your side. I don’t think Herndon was going to succeed here. I don’t pay attention to numbers. There is no denying he has talent. Doesn’t mean he makes it in the NFL.

    all I’m saying is that Minnesota exchanged a 4th round draft pick for a 6th round pick. That’s a good gamble and certainly did not get fleeced by the Jets

    The Jets knew Herndon was not working. Vikings hope they can change that

  7. Report: Jets trade TE Chris Herndon to Vikings

    • Field Level Media
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      • Aug 31, 2021 Updated 
     
     

    The New York Jets are trading tight end Chris Herndon to the Minnesota Vikings, NFL Network reported Tuesday.

    The Jets are expected to receive multiple draft picks in exchange.

     

    We have our own perceptions -  the media outside New York has theirs. This guy is stating multiple draft picks for Herndon. He must think the Jets got fleeced

  8. 29 minutes ago, clayton163v said:

    I do not think that Ertz would be able to help the Vikings.  He has been productive as a pass catcher but has been unable to block his position inline for years   At this stage of his career, he is a H-back that is frequently injured.  The Vikings needed an inline tight end who could be the every down starter.  Chris Herndon frustrated Jet fans when his rookie campaign was followed by suspension, injury (after he came to camp out of shape) and a lost season.  Last year, rendered an afterthought as the Jet made a commitment to Griffin - I thought it odd at the time - Herndon retook the starting job easily due to his strong interior blocking.  That he dropped easy passes was the last straw for many Jet fans.  But I have long heard Jet fans complain about his blocking and this lacks a basis in fact.  Chris Herndon is a good blocker and would have had plenty of interest from the NFL after we let him walk which appeared to be the plan.  As for his poor performance in the early part of last season, c'mon fellas.  Do you remember our interior offensive line play early in the year?  Sam had a second to get rid of it.  Worst football I have ever seen from anybody.  We looked worse than Tampa Bay's expansion team (which played good defense).

    That Joe D got a 4th round pick for him demonstrates what I wrote above.  Herndon's actual performance on the field has value.   I think fans underrate young blocking tight ends with an all around game and get confused by the flashy stats generated by an H-back who does not have to survive on the line of scrimmage.  Herndon is not a "never was."  Whether he is a "has been" or "needed a change of scenery" is the next chapter of his NFL career.  I wish him well.  Why?

    He never threw his girlfriend down the stairs.  He never got arrested with an illegal (fill in the blank).  He kept his head down and his mouth shut.   Now, at the end of the day, he brought back in value what he had originally cost the Jets minus a 6th round pick.  That's a bargain.  

    I forgive him for the suspension.  He was 22 years old. 

    Well thought  out. This was not a steal of a trade for the Jets by any imagination. 
     

    Now if the premise is that he was going to be cut anyway ((which I am not convinced) then you can say we got a 4th round draft pick in exchange for a 6th round pick plus improved cap space for a guy who was not going to be on the team anyway.

    Minnesota gets a talented athlete that has not translated to the NFL albeit under the tutelage of Adam Gase.

    I think it’s a good gamble trade for Minnesota. Worse case scenario he fails and they exchanged a 4th round pick for a 6th round pick

  9. 59 minutes ago, PCP63 said:

    Terrible take. Herndon is an absolute scrub, and we moved up 2 rounds to get rid of him while saving cap space. 

    How about this take:

    “If (Herndon) plays the ball he can play and he finds some consistency, this is a steal for (the Vikings),’’ said former NFL quarterback Josh McCown, who played for the Jets in 2018. “There’s no doubt about it. Chris Herndon is a good football player. At his best, he’s as good as anybody. It’s just a matter of being consistent.’’

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  10. 17 minutes ago, PCP63 said:

    Terrible take. Herndon is an absolute scrub, and we moved up 2 rounds to get rid of him while saving cap space. 

    Not really. And not  Minnesota’s opinion. I said it was a good trade. If it was for a 4th rounder without giving up a 6th rounder - that’s a great trade.

  11. 34 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

    He’s not a “prospect”, he entering his 4th year and an UFA after this year. So he’ll need a contract as well

    Hence the quotes around prospect. Minnesota fans and management feel a change in scenery and the fact he was injured and suspended has not allowed him the opportunity to develop his potential. 

  12. just to help push the cuts to the forefront 
     

    New York Jets

    • DB Lamar Jackson
    • WR Lawrence Cager
    • DB Bennett Jackson
    • DB J.T. Hassell
    • DL Jeremiah Valoaga
    • LB Aaron Adeoye
    • OL Corey Levin
    • OL Jimmy Murray
    • OL David Moore
    • DL Hamilcar Rashed Jr.
    • WR Vyncint Smith
    • RB Josh Adams
    • TE Kenny Yeboah
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  13. 29 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

    Zach said something interesting today. He was asked when he would be allowed to go "off schedule" and he essentially said that what they are doing in camp is to try and execute the play from the pocket. He feels the pressure but since he can't be hit and they are not getting really close it's hard to know when he would scramble of when it would actually be a sack. In real game situations it will be different.

    So in essence in these practices any "QB pressure" is counted as a "sack". OL gives up pressures. Lawson had tons of pressures last year and only like 5 or 6 sacks.

    In reality "sacks" are a function of many things on the offense: how well the OL blocks, the blocking call, the relation between the lineman, how good the defensive coverage is, how long the QB holds the ball, how does the QB move in the pocket and scramble, etc...

    So the two situations are completely different. Certainly some would be in-game sacks but others might just be a pressure where the QB moves in the pocket. I also suspect that Zach is holding the ball longer in practice than he will in games because they want to complete the rep, work on the timing etc.

    So i personally am not all distraught that there are a lot of "pressures" in practice at this point. In game will be different. Zach threw in like an average of 2.4 seconds on Saturday. If he can continue that he will not be sacked much at all either

     

    How many sacks did Lawson have in the Giants game

     

    ZERO

     

    How many did Becton give up?

     

    ZERO

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