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  1. From 1967-1972, he was widely regarded as the best quarterback in football, until the injuries decimated his abilities, really after 1972. When you say he didn't have 6 great years, I would disagree going from '65 to '72. 1965 - AFL Rookie of the Year, AFL All-Star 1966 - Led the AFL in passing yards 1967 - All-AFL, AFL All-Star, Led AFL in passing yards 1968 - All AFL, AFL All-Star, AFL League MVP, Super Bowl MVP 1969 - All-AFL, AFL All-Star, AFL League MVP 1972 - All Pro, AFC Pro Bowl, Led NFL in Passing yards, Led NFL in passing touchdowns 1974 - NFL Comeback Player of the Year (not a great year, but a good year coming back from serious injury) All in all, the guy was a 2 time League MVP, 4 time All-AFL, 1 time All NFL, led the league in passing yards in 3 different years, a Rookie of the Year, a Super Bowl MVP, over an 8 year period from 1965-1972, with 2 of those years (1970 and 1971) being seasons he lost due to injury. Not to mention he was elected to the All-Time AFL Team. I'd say he had at least 6 great years during that period, as measured by those times, not the video game football that these prima-donnas play now.
  2. Hey guys … been away for long while but just logged in and was intrigued by this discussion. I belong to a Jets Facebook group and posted this awhile back in response to some guy who was ripping Namath as not even belonging in the top 50 QB's of all time, never mind the Hall of Fame. I think its pretty relevant to this or any discussion that tries to compare QB's of different eras to each other … you just can't do it, as the game is so different now than it was back when Namath played. Anyway, I hope my little analysis below helps drive this home to people... "For a period of about 6 years, Namath was the best quarterback in Pro Football, and it wasn’t even close. Just listen to the likes of Lombardi, Madden, Shula, Davis, Walsh, Gillman, Baugh all talk about him. Time and the evolution of the game has not been kind to Namath because the post 1980 rule changes and emphasis on scoring has helped dwarf not only his stat line, but his impact on the game. Most people who saw him play, look past the career stat lines because you could “see” the greatness of his talent. If you never saw him play, and you only measure greatness through stat lines, you’ll never be convinced that Namath was one of the top 20 talents to ever play the position. It’s unfortunate that injuries, the disadvantage of playing in one of the most “unfriendly” passing venues in football, and horrendous Jet teams of the mid 70’s have damaged those career statistics. But here’s a stat to consider... In the history of the NFL, from 1920 to now, there have been 188 quarterbacks that have thrown for over 4,000 yards in a single season. 186 of those occurred AFTER 1980, after the first set of rules to help offenses pass the ball were instituted. From 1920 to 1980, there were ONLY 2 quarterbacks to do it, Dan Fouts and Joe Namath, and Namath is the ONLY 1 in the history of the game to do it in a 14 game regular season. Furthermore, there have been 11 quarterbacks that have thrown for 5,000 yards in a season since 1984, when Dan Marino did it first. The other 10 times it was done all occurred after 2007, which shows you how great Dan Marino was. The point is this... the NFL game we watch today isn’t even the same game it was in 1985, never mind 1970. You can’t measure QB's from different eras against each other... everything about the game (I.e. pro offense rules, stadiums/weather conditions, injury treatments, offensive systems, etc...) is so different. It is far easier today, FAR EASIER, to compile big stat lines in today's game which has been changed to benefit offenses, than it prior to 1980. The immense increase in single season passing yardage statistics are the biggest proof of that. Bottom line is this... Joe Namath was not the most accomplished QB of all-time, especially when measured against the video game stat line era QB's of today. However, he was one of, if not THE best QB of his generation and many of the greatest coaches and players in the history of the game back that up, even if Namath's career stat line doesn’t. He was one of those rare players that you just had to "see" play in the time he played to really appreciate how great he really was, how he could impact a game, and how opposing coaches revolved their entire defensive game plans around stopping him to beat the Jets... especially when he was relatively healthy early in his career.
  3. Given his age and his performance in preseason, he is our best option at QB moving forward. I don't care if it was against 2's and 3's ... my eyes tell me he's light years ahead of Hack. I support him and have from the start. Let him play this year, and if he fails, draft a QB in a rich draft next April.
  4. If history is any indication, **** it all up.
  5. Best all around RB I ever saw Walter Payton. Could do it all ... run, catch, block ... even threw a llittle. Never saw Jim Brown at his peak.
  6. Thoughts, prayers and best wishes for you and Lauren, Phil. Stay positive ... all will be good.
  7. Once a buffoon, always a buffoon. This ******* idiot will just never get it.
  8. Good news ... MRI revealed no ACL tear ... sprained knee only. Not ruling out return Monday night, although that is probably unlikely. http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-9/MRI-on-Antonio-Cromarties-Knee-Negative-/b75e25f9-4a5e-464a-91ac-d4fce1b791a6?campaign=fb
  9. I don't blame Rex for the incident. But Rex hired him, so what it does show, for the upteenth time, is that Rex Ryan is a terrible judge of "character" in men, nor does he put great value in that particular trait.
  10. One of the great QB's of my youth... used to LOVE watching him play ... one of the great clutch QB's of all time. With all due respect to Boomer & Young, Stabler was the best lefty I ever saw play. Absolutely should be in the Hall of Fame. RIP, Snake.
  11. In the immortal words of the great Allen Iverson ... "Let me get this straight, we sittin' here talkin' 'bout PRACTICE?!?!?!?" Some things were so much better in the 70's when there was less information available on meaningless stuff. And BTW, I can't stand Geno. But really? We sittin' here talkin' 'bout PRACTICE?!?!? In June, no less?!?!? Holy Mother of God.
  12. I was there. It was actually a knee injury he suffered in the 1st preseason game that year vs Detroit that he was coming back from. He hurt the wrist the year before. But you're right, that November afternoon at Shea was electric. I was also at that 2002 game vs Green Bay ... everything fell for us right that day. Also a great afternoon.
  13. My Top 10 1. 1968 AFL Championship Game 2. Super Bowl III 3. 1971 - San Francisco vs Jets (Namath returns from injury, comes off the bench down big and leads great comeback that falls just short) 4. 1974 - Jets beat Giants in OT at Yale Bowl on Namath to Boozer TD pass. 5. 1972 - Namath throws 6TD's and beats Unitas in shootout in Baltimore 6. 1998 - Jets beat Jags in Playoff at Meadowlands 7. 1981 - Jets beat Dolphins at Shea in battle for 1st place 16-15 on Todd to Barkum last second TD pass 8. O'Brien vs Marino shootout 9. Monday Night Miracle (Jets vs Dolphins) 10. 2010 - Sanchez leads Jets over Pats in playoffs in NE
  14. Rex Ryan was, is, and always will be an "ass clown". Thank God, we now have some adults in the room.
  15. He'd also like to see the goal posts narrowed by a yard, raising the degree of difficulty. Westhoff, who does some consulting on the side, brought that idea to the FXFL developmental league last year. The league liked it, he said, but it simply didn't have the money to change the goal posts. The league didn't have the money? Seriously? WTF?
  16. Bingo. The guy is an idiot. That said, he might be worth the risk lower down in the draft, say in latter part of Round 1 or Round 2, if he falls that far... especially now that Herm has been assigned as his mentor.
  17. For the record, I am VERY happy with what the new regime has done so far. Inside of 3 weeks, Mac has: 1. Gotten us a #1 receiver for almost nothing, getting Decker more favorable matchups as the #2. 2. Created competition and built depth on the O-line 3. Re-signed our team leading tackler 4. Brought in a veteran QB, who even if we don't bring in a "franchise" QB, will at worst, be a huge upgrade to the dunce we had starting last year 5. Completely revamped our secondary, taking it from the worst in the league to potentially Top 3 in the league. And, oh by the way, we still have the entire draft, including the #6 overall pick. I don't know how anybody can can feel anything else but pretty good as to how things have gone so far this offseason.
  18. Don't need Spiller for alot of $. You want to improve the running game? Utilize what you already have in the backfield and rebuild the O-Line.
  19. The Bills' plummet back to last place has begun. Didn't take Rexie long to start the destruction of another franchise. He sucks.
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