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  1. Brett should take a 17 week break from talking to the media about any subject. That said, why would Jets fans be angry at him for bashing the Mangini management style. Mangini's ego is equal to Favre's. At least Favre has a hall of fame career to back it up. Mangini consistently made poor player and game decisions in New York. I dont have any doubt that he knew Favre was hurt and didnt list him as injured. Mangini thinks that the press, the fans, and even the NFL rule book are beneath his consideration.
  2. NFL LBs cant really cover NFL WRs. At best they can cover the slowest tight ends. There are only a few good coverage linebackers and most are crappy against the run. Urlacher and Lewis were the exception, not the rule. All LBs really have to do is keep the backs, receivers and tight ends in front of them, close quickly, and prevent yards after the catch. Our guys should be fine.
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    In the end there may not be any measurable difference between them. But right now the difference is that Rex Ryan represents hope for the future and Herm represents the failures of the past. This is a Jets fan site. A new coach brings new hopes to Jets fans, you cant try to p*ss on that hope without expecting to catch some crap from the faithful. Is some of our optimism over the top? Yes. Is some of our belief in Ryan based on no real data? Yes. If you want a completely realistic appraisal of Ryan your in the wrong place. Which is probably because your an unemployed troll, who lives in his parent's basement, jerks it to clown porn, and is hoping your mom doesnt burn your pizza bagels tonight.
  4. Gibbon

    ILB Depth

    First, thanks for the full explanation of where your opinion differs from mine. Second, I see what you are saying and it makes sense. To me its a matter of security. If you sign a guy like Harris you know you have someone who can learn the system and step in and be productive. With a Trusnik or a Cummings you really dont know what you have. The team is going to carry about 8 linebackers: Scott Harris Thomas Pace Gholston Trusnik Are six for sures. That leaves room for Harris or someone like him. His biggest problem is the price tag. To me it seems like a low risk sub who should provide experienced depth.
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    ILB Depth

    Bart Scott and Napoleon Harris have exactly the same number of years in the NFL. Harris is older. Somehow you people are missing my point. So let me break it down for you. 1. I'm not saying that ILB is the teams biggest problem. 2. I'm not saying that Harris over Trusnik will send us to the Super Bowl. 3. I'm not saying that Trusnik might not be, at some point, a good reliable back up. What I am saying. 1. David Harris was injured twice last season. If he had been healthy Trusnik and Bowens wouldnt have taken a snap at ILB. The man has an injury history going back to college. 2. Right now our back up ILBs have exactly 0 starts and maybe 5 defensive tackles between the three of them. 3. Guys like Napoleon Harris who have started, have played in a 3-4 are out there. 4. Picking up a guy like Harris would strengthen the depth at that position and the team as a whole.
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    ILB Depth

    You're gonna ride me about Schlegel and then pump up this guy: http://www.nfl.com/players/kenwincummings/profile?id=CUM628434 The guy made no tackles in the regular season last year. Even Schlegel made 1 for the Jets:rolleyes:
  7. Gibbon

    ILB Depth

    I'm not just worried about ILB either. Primarily, I'm worried about QB. However, I dont think this is the guy you want to be first off the bench in case of injury: http://www.nfl.com/players/jasontrusnik/profile?id=TRU694033 Harris and others who are known commodities are out there looking for a spot. I dont think you can argue that he wouldnt be an upgrade over Trusnik. As for using Pace or Thomas like Bowens was used last year, the big difference is that Bowens wasnt a starter. So moving him to ILB didnt weaken the team at OLB. Plus, the Bowens experiement was iffy at best.
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    ILB Depth

    When was the last time Izzo played a meaningful down on defense? He is a ST guy. No problem with that, but he isnt a real D backup. Trusnik looked good for 2 consecutive plays and then made two stops when Miami was running out the clock in a loss that was a meaningless game for the Jets. Keep him in the rotation, get him some good reps in Preseason, but dont count on him in case of injury to Harris or Scott (God forbid).
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    ILB Depth

    It wasnt, but it can be if you really want it to be.
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    ILB Depth

    I do like Trusnik as a ST/ player in development, but not as the first guy off the bench if one of the other ILBs goes down. He is too raw and unproven. He should and will be one of the back up ILBs, but I think team depth would be greatly improved if a more proven back up were available. I dont think one game in Miami where he made One tackle on a pass 5yds down field, one good ST play, and two tackles against the run when the Dolphins were just running time off the clock makes him a reliable backup.
  11. Gibbon

    ILB Depth

    I'm a little concerned about our depth at ILB. Harris and Scott should be a great duo inside, but who exactly is behind them. Since going to the 3-4 the Jets have at least had a couple of veterans who could play ILB, but now we seem to be down to two or three guys with no real experience -- please spare me the Trusnik is a beast because of his play against Miami talk. Harris hasnt proved to be exceptionally durable after all. Signing a veteran with experience and some talent seems wise. Napoleon Harris is out there looking for a job. He would be a good experiences back up at ILB. He seems to be looking for a starting job, but given the right money he might take a back up role. I think the Jets should move on him before Pittsburgh, Green Bay, KC, etc snatch him up.
  12. Mangini was in over his head while with the Jets. He started off saying all the right things -- build the team the right way, etc. But when he started losing, he panicked. He gave up all the slow progress for spend big win now and in the end, he lost the team because he had different sets of rules for different players. He should do better in Cleveland (not necessarily win loss wise), but you have to remember that it takes time to go from waterboy to head coach. Woody, in a desire to glom on to New England success, just hired him before he was really ready to do the job.
  13. The injury history is one of the problems with Harris. For what ever reasons some guys just seem to get injured more than others. I fear that Harris may be one of those guys. I'll admit to being surprised at how well Harris played his rookie year (I doubted he could be that effective in his first season), but I remember around draft time that Harris' college injury were a source of concern. I hope he stays healthy and that he and Scott are a force in the middle for the Jets for years to come, but I'm worried. Scott and Cody Spencer (or whoever) are a whole lot less intimidating than Scott and Harris.
  14. Kiaho (sp?) stinks. Like most cover 2 LBs he cant play the run (look at the Colts rankings against the run almost any year). He's too small for the 3-4 ILB or OLB spots. He's a guy that has to play in a certain system to appear successful and that system isnt ours. He's not tough, he's not intimidating, I cant see Ryan having any interest in him.
  15. Westhoff's influence over Mangini was far greater than was warranted. Special Teams are important, but not more important than the Offense or Defense. He's a great ST coach with great knowledge of the game, but the truth is he was too much for Mangini to handle and had too much influence over personell decisions. Ryan appears to be stronger and wont be pushed around by a mean old bastard just because he yells and screams.
  16. Bowens was released because a)he has a knee injury there are three guys the Jets are committed to at OLB in front of him c) 2 million is too much to pay a guy who is the 2nd guy off the bench to fill in at any position d) he isnt an ILB, he gave it a shot, played well in on game, but was shown up in the others e) the team needs ILBs more than OLBs. He seemed like a good guy, a team guy, and a hard worker. But the NFL is a business organization. Brad Kassell is gone because a) he was injured last year he wasnt very good and c) Ryan isnt afraid of Mike Westhoff the way Mangini was. I'm sure Westhoff is in his office crying right now and wondering who is going to take up the slack on ST.
  17. Its obvious that the Jets will have to once again address the ILB position in the draft or free agency. Right now they have Harris locked at one spot and then a host of scrubs and unknowns at the other. Trusnik had one good game, but I dont think he's the answer. Kassell should be back off the IR and thanks to Mangini's man love for scrub LBs from the University of North Texas still under contract. He is obviously not the solution. Spencer (see previous). Cummings, who knows. Which leaves Barton as a FA. Of all the guys currently on the team Barton is obviously the best, but as a 10year (?) vet is he worth the price? It seems like the Jets should be able to upgrade at that position for less, so I assume he's gone.
  18. Give Clemens another chance. Our offensive line is better than it was when he was a starter so we have a better run game. When Clemens became the starter our Oline sucked and we couldnt run for dog doo. Better Oline, better run game, better D, I'd like to see Clemens in there to start the season.
  19. How many of them stepped directly from ST to a head coaching job in the NFL? Honestly, I dont know. It could be all of them, but I doubt it.
  20. Because he's a mean old bastard whose old school ways would alienate veterans and starters. He can make it as a Special Teams coach because he is primarily dealing with guys who are hoping to make the team and guys who are hoping to stay on the team. They dont talk back and no they are expendable. Westhoff is a great ST coach and has the knowledge and experience necessary for the job, but his style wont work. He's not Parcells or Coughlin. He hasnt won superbowls or turned teams around. Add to that the fact that he is old and has health issues and I cant see anyway he's getting the job.
  21. The Jets did pretty well in the first round under Mangini. Ferguson, Mangold, Revis are good picks -- immediate starters. Only Gholston didnt immediatly step in and contribute. I know most here call him a bust, but he should get at least one more season to see if he can contribute. David Harris was also a good pick and the Jets moved up to get him. I think they once again have to draft an ILB in the first or second round. Barton is a FA and not getting any younger and all we have behind him are Kassell, Spencer, and Trusnik. Of those three I like Trusnik the best, but I dont see him as a starter. I think a second CB that is as good as Revis is a luxury. The Jets should be able to pick up a servicable upgrade at the position later in the draft or in FA. I think my priority would be a WR that can become a real game breaker.
  22. The Brett Favre situation was clearly part of Mangini's downfall. Favre hurt his authority with the team and seems to have caused some dissension in the locker room. Mangini's failure to handle that contributed to the team finally giving up on Mangini. Favre, intentionally or unintentionally, pulled aside the curtain to reveal that the Great and Powerful Manginius was a fraud. Oh, and for the record, I dont hate Mangini for cutting Schlegel. I hate him for drafting him in the third round and never giving him a chance to play a single defensive down in a regular season game.
  23. Here is a simple run down of why I think Woody fired Mangini: 1. He lost the respect of the team this year because he couldnt or wouldnt treat Favre the way he treated the other players. Mangini's coaching style is to bully the players. Every season he has made an example of at least one player in the preseason etc (Mawae,Kendall, etc). He didnt want Favre because he knew he couldnt bully him. 2. He failed to manage personell conflicts. If, as TJ says, Favre was distant and that was causing the team problems then it was Mangini's job to do something about it. Dont you think its interesting that most of the players who have stepped up to defend Mangini are FA signed this year or last? Those guys left over from Mangini's first season dont seem so eager to come to his defense (attackin Favre and defenging Mangini arent the same thing) 3. He failed to effectively manage his coaching staff. Call it loyalty or weakness it doesnt matter. Shotty's late season failures to develop the running game or get the ball to Leon more often put all the pressure on Favre to win the game by throwing. He threw more against teams coming full throttle on the pass rush and, as he has his entire career, threw a bunch of picks. Westoff had too much power over who played and who dressed through his absolute control of special teams (see #4). Sutton is clearly just a figurehead through which Mangini attempts to control the defense. I dont believe he has any real power. 4. He failed to effectively develop young players. While Mangold, Washington, and Revis have been successes, players like Gholston, Clemmens, and Ferguson have developed slowly or not at all. In some cases Mangini denies playing time to young players based on Westhoff's opionion of them as ST players. STs are important, but when you draft a guy in the first coupld of rounds you get him in uniform and on the field at every opportunity. He isnt learning anything standing in sweatsuit on the sideline. 5. Game time decision making and adjustments were consistently poor or non-existent. This has been true for 3 years. The guy just doesnt have enough coaching experience and it shows on game day. When it matters he is consistently outcoached by any and every other coach he faces. Finally, its really popular with Jets fan to blame everything including Mangini's firing onon Favre. Certainly he played poorly the last 5 weeks of the season. But how many times during those weeks did the Jets Jets rush for 150 yds? How many times did the Jets have a lead only to see the D give up that lead? How close to the playoffs do you think the Jets would have gotten without Favre? Who did TJ and the anti-Favre fans think gave the Jets a better chance to win than Favre coming down the stretch? The man played well enough while learning the system to get the Jets close and then played hurt in an attempt to help the team win. He's still the best QB on the team. If I had to choose either Favre or Mangini to remain with the Jets in order to get the Jets to the playoffs next year I'd choose Favre everytime and twice on Sundays.
  24. I think the Jets have to look at ILB in the first round or at least the second depending on Barton's contract status. Isnt he going to be a FA? If he is that leaves the Jets with only Harris and unfortunately it looks like he is going to have a hard time staying healthy. With no Barton (assuming he's a FA who leaves) that leaves the Jets with Harris, Kassell, Spencer, and Trusnik in the middle. Only one of those guys is really starting material and without Mangini around to wet nurse mutts like Kassell and Spencer they probably wont be looked on as serious starters anyway. The good thing about staying in the 3-4 is that the kind of LB that is suited for ILB is usually still around in round 2.
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