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  1. Hey all. Thanks to everyone who is helping Tim out. Just wanted to post Tim's latest update so you can see the impact your help has made... We got good news, my Daughter has made great strides in her progress and we will definitely be going home for good this Thursday, the best Valentines Day gift we can get! She still has a long way to go, will have to go to outpatient therapy for several months , if not the entire rest of the year, but we are both going home!!! My Daughter has been counting down the days, she will tell you right off she has been here for 2 months and 2 days today. Although it seems so much longer to me.
  2. First off thank you KJ and MaxMan for helping us out. We have posted this on every Jet board we can find and the response has been wonderful. Here is the latest update from Tim. While things are improving, you'll see he is far from out of the woods so if you can help, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again everyone. I really appreciate everything. Just wanted to give an update on how everything is going, after getting a little break at the hospital by my a daughters Grandma who came from Tennessee to help out, I am back in the hospital to care for my Daughter, and although her rehab has been slow, she has been making progress, she is talking better, and although she can't walk yet on her own, they have made a special walker and she can walk a little with that. The left side of her body has been getting movement with her left arm finally starting to move as well, do it is all starting to come. This morning was a rough morning because today was the initial day they had set for her release from the hospital, unfortunately her grandma let it slip to my Daughter, and she was expecting to get to go home today, we tried to tell her that she was not ready and would have to stay longer, well she held out hope that she still would get to go home, and this morning in the bathroom she started crying because she was not going home. Right now they are hoping by mid to end of February. I took vacation but it ends Friday, my Daughter can't be left alone in the hospital, the nurses can't give her complete attention and she still can't do anything by herself. So I was initially going to take two weeks off with the Family Medical Leave Act to stay longer but I do not get paid, but I got the idea to go see a doctor to try to get disability for stress over my Daughters brain surgery and dealing with all that has come from that, so I will need to go for a physical and get the forms filled out and submitted so I can go on disability while caring for my Daughter. There is a dinner/dance next week for my daughter. There will also be a tricky tray coming up if anyone is interested I can get you the information.
  3. Bump...KJ, Shawn, can you guys help me get the ball rollin on this here? We have posted it on Jets Insider and a few other boards too in hope of getting some momentum started to help Tim out!
  4. No joke. Tim is one of our own...and long time Jets fan and a great guy in a tough spot.
  5. Hello all, Some of you may know me from the Jets Addicts board but I am posting here to ask for your help in aiding a fellow Jets fan. Tim Brady (TBrady) is an admin/mod on our board and has been for 15 years. Last month his 13 year old daughter went in for surgery to have a cyst removed from her brain. While the surgery was successful and the cyst removed, she had some complications. The long and short of it is she lost all of her motor skills and now has to relearn how to walk, talk, eat, dress, etc. It's going to be a long and difficult road but her doctors are opptomisitic. Currently Tim has taken a leave from his job and moved from his home to take care of her while she is in a rehab facility in NJ. They will likely be there for 4-6 months and insurance will cover some but not all of the massive costs Tim is likely going to incur along the way. Tim's friends and family have started a Facebook page attached to a Pay Pal account to raise money for them. We posted it on our board and I thought it would be OK to post it here too since at the end of the day we are all Jet fans! The page is called Alyssa Brady Health Fund and it explains in much greater detail the situation she is going through. I ask that the mods here "pin" this thread and that you all go to FB and check it out and donate if you can. I can't think of too many better causes then to help out the little girl of a fellow Jet fan on her long road to recovery. If you do not have a Facebook account, here is the direct link to the Pay Pal page: https://www.paypal.c....=ZL8GUHFVM97WU Thanks everyone...Happy Holidays to you all.
  6. I posted this over at JA but I am curious to see what you guys here think... We clearly have an issue of quantity over quality at this position right ow but that doesnt mean we may not have some hard choices to make. Currently we have the following: Keller Franks Bullock Davie Brown Dearth Simmons Milner Myers Assuming we keep 4 (which would include a LS), there are some issues to consider here. I'll right off the bat say Milner, Simmons and Myers are complete long shots and are probably PS material at best right now. Of course one could come out of nowhere ( ala Rocky Klever in the mid 80s) but odds are tese guys are TC fodder. But what about the rest??? Keller is a lock obviously but someone has got to teach this kid to block at least a little. Dearth is also most likely a lock because I cant see the team handing a LS job to a rookie. Davies. This kid seems to be more then just a LS. He has great size, can block and cuaght the ball pretty well in college. Do yu take a chance and try and get him on the PS where he could replace Dearth next season as LS? Franks. He is the ONLY TE on our roster with any real NFL exprience as an in line blocker. He also at one point was a dangerous weapon in the red zone. he had a crappy, injury filled year BUT if he bounces back could be a really nice compliment to Keller. Not to mention having a vet like him working with a protecting our rookie QB. Brown. Not sure WHY we moved him when he was a solid prospect at DE but he was moved AN apparantly has looked pretty good. He obviously can block at his size and from what I am reading he has shown some ability as a runner and catcher also. He played TE in HS also. Hes obviosly till very green at the position but I am not sure if hes PS eligible anymore or not either. Bullock. His is the most interesting case. Former BBall player with amazing atheltic ability and apparantly showed pretty well at the OTAs. Heres the problem with him. hes probably too green to be kept and contribute this year BUT...if this guy shows ANYTHING during the pre season, there is NO way he makes it through waivers and on to our PS. Every team is loking for that next Antonio gates and sonmeone will snap him up as a 3rd TE project. So what do we do? Who gets kept? Do you take a chance on losing a potential down the road player like Bullock or do you keep him and dump a guy like Franks? Do you dump Dearth since he realy only does one thing and keep Davie as the LS? How can you dump Brown when you asked the guy to make a poition change and hes looked good doing it? Can you afford to not keep Franks with his experience? Like I said. Not a ton of definitive quality at this position but the amount of quantitiy and potnentail is going to make these choices very interesting to watch. If its me, I keep Keller, Franks, Bullock and Dearth and hope I can get Davie and (if eligible) Brown back n the PS. I really think they made a big mistake with Brown. At 6'4", 300 (now apparantly 270), with enough speed and quickness to be considerd at TE, I think he could have deveoped into a solid 3-4 DE.
  7. Yep, the immortal Kyle mackey (son of foremr 60s Jet TE Dee Mackey). I remmember that was Walton's brilioant move to spark the team. 1989, he benched OBrien and started mackey...it was either v the Saints or 49ers and I recall it was a night game so it was probably nationally televised. There is a reason I sold so many Joe Must Go T-Shirts in the late 80s!!!!
  8. I was a WHISKER from a prefect 23 for 23...but could NOT remember Rick Mirer of all people! Myabe I just blacked out those horrid games from memory. That was fun... Sage, Norrie was our 1987 scab QB until Ryan crossed the picket line. Strarted one game v Dallas.
  9. We have been down this "comparing INT stats prior to 1978" road before so I wont start in on that. I think there is a distinction between best individual statistaical season and best season. From a shear stat standpoint, Id say... 1. Vinny 1998- Brilliant season...nuff said 2. O'Brien 1985- 3900 yards, 60+ %, 8 ints, big plays all year. Amazing year considering he got sacked 62 times. 3. Chad 2002- Similar to OB in 85. Very efficient. 4. Namath 1967- With NO running game for half a year, 4000+ yards. 5. Namath 1968- TD/Int ratio is decpetive considering 10 ints were in 2 early season games. 6. Todd 1982- 14 tds in half a season and AFC title game 7. Todd 1981- Soid overall yearin yards, low ints and clutch wins 8. Namath 1972- Two 400 yard games when they were unheard of, lead AFC in yards and TDs. 9. O'Brien 1986- If not for the last 5 games collapse, this year was headed towards #1 or 2 on this list. 10. Namat 1974- His last really good year lead to 6 game win streak to end the year. BUT...if you are aksing what was he single BEST season for a Jet QB, then it is Namath 1968. Why???? 1. He called his own plays and sacrificed his own stats to establish the running game more for most of the year. 2. As mentioned, 10 of his 17 picks were in two early season games. Aside from those two, h played brilliantly despite the lack of TDs. 3. He was named league MVP...appaarntly other people also felt he had a pretty good year. 4. He won the SB and won the MVP there also...NOT because of his stats but because of his brilant play calling and game management. So if this is Fantasy Footbal, then no, namaths 68 season is not the best. But when yu look beyond the obviuous stats (or even saw any of those games from 1968) you have to say Namath 1968...and not JUST BECAUSE the team won the SB. PS- That 1968 team was NOT the most talented team the Jets have ever had...not even close. The teams fro thr early to mid 80s had much more talent. namath was a differecne maker because teams had to gameplan to stop HIM. The jets have not had a QB since who could d that.
  10. Are you kidding me??? I can remember Chris Miller and Jay Schreoder but I forget Randall???? Shame on me again!
  11. What a great site! I got 24/28. Could not remember DeBerg (shame on me), Walsh, Wilson or the "Eagles QB". Does any one know the answer to that one because now I want to know!
  12. If Kleck had had one or two more years like he had in 81 or 85 he'd be a shoe in. If either of his 83 or 84 seasons were truly "dominant", he probably gets in. But prior to 81 he was never considered a pro bowl type and post 81 he was up and down. 82 he was hurt (yet the team went to a title game which hurts his cause). 83 he was solid and went to a pro bowl. 84 he was really nly OK, missed quite a few games (whihc the jets won) and did NOT deserve the pro bowl bid he got. 86 he was playing well until injury felled him and 87 and 88 were sort of throw away years. Of course its emotional...the guy was one of the most beloved players in team history. But itsd that emotion that seems to be clouding judgement on the reality of his career here.
  13. What they are not getting is that we are not arguing about Klecko being a team MVP, or league MVP or pro bowler...we are talking HOF here. The best of the very best. Thier arguements are more relevant to an MVP arguement. The HOF is about dominance...Klecko was a terrific player who came wihtin a few dominating seasons of being a HOFer...but he didnt quite make it. Even as a 45 year Jets fan who LOVED Klecko I can make that objective conclusion. Now Winny Hill is anohter matter. 8 pro bowls, a ring, 4 years all pro and blocked for one of the more immobile QBs of all time and kept him upright A LOT! Hill should be in the HOF yet gets no love at all form the committee or Jet fans.
  14. Nope, sorry...there is nothing objective about calling Joe Klecko a no brainer HOFer. he's simply not. As to the rings, you misunderstand. A ring will sometimes help a fringe player get into the Hall. Guys like Dan Hampton, Larry Little, several 70s Steelers...its not a prerequesite by any means but it can give you that last nudge if you are a fringe guy like Klecko is. All those other guys you mentioned had much more distinguished careers then Klecko did. And the bottom line is this...Klecko is NOT in the HOF so its the people on your side of the arguement that have the convincing to do, not me. The majority of the experts agree with me (as evidcned by him not eing in the HOF). The burden is on YOU to prove otherwise and you simply have not come close to doing that.
  15. What's weird about having an objective opinion? Just because I am a Jets fan doesnt mean I have to look at a situation through green colored glasses. IMO his career falls short of HOFer...I should change my mind because he's a Jet? And the reason I am being so "adamant" is because my opinion is getting challenged by multiple poeple and Im responding. And to be honest, none of you have put forth any objective arguement to prvoe me wrong. The closest you came was your Mean Joe greene comment about Klecko at NT...even though it was a position he played for only 2 of his 12 seasons. The guy is a fringe HOFer...no ring and not enough dominance over a long period of time to be anything more. Had he won a ring, I think that might have pushed him in like it did hampton.
  16. Jeez, you guys are hilarious...I had no idea that calling someone a fringe Hall of Fame player was somehow considered an insult!!!!!
  17. Fair enough. perhpas my insult was inappropriate and I apologize. Tackles can be looked up but I am not sure its going to stregthen Kleckos case. He was amazing in 85 in the tackle dept (as a NT) but I dont think his numbers will be enough to change minds. Like I said....I loved Joe Klecko. And I think he was a fantastic player. But he was never a pro bowler prior to 1981 (4 seasons) and he was really only dominant one season after that (1985). The fact that the team went to the AFC title game in 1982 wihtout him also hurts his cause. Great player, greater Jet...just not a HOFer. Now Winston Hill.....
  18. I did read your WHOLE post. If you want to go back and research all of Kleckos stats and then post them here in order to defend your position that he is a HOFer then be my guest. I saw every game Klecko played as a Jet and I can tell you that while being a heck of a player and a fringe HOFer...he didnt quite do enough to be in the HOF. Two domiannt years (whihc is really all he had) is not enough IMO. Currently, most experts agree with me since he is NOT in the HOF. If you'd like to try and change minds, feel free to take the time to look up all those stats you mentioned and then you can come back, post them and make an arguement. But dont ask others to do your work for you...thats petty. CARRY ON.....
  19. Oy. OK, lets repeat this again. I really wish people would read the prior posts (and not just the opening post) befoe posting...it would really save time. I used sacks in my original post just as a brief stat example. In later posts you will see I broke down his seasons much more specifically to state my case. But to answer some of your question... 1982- Klecko misses the entire season (is used sparingly in the playoffs) and the jets go 6-3, win 2 playoff games giving up 17 and 14 points, and go to the AFC title game. 1984- Klecko misses the first 4 games of the year and the jets start the season 3-1. he also misses the last 2 games of the year in which they go 1-1. Yet he made the pro bowl...deserved or rep? 1986- Klecko goes down in week 10 along with 4 other starters in on D (Lyons, Mehl, bennett and gastineau) and the team loses its last 6. But this is irrelevant. What the jets did or didnt do when he was in there might be relevant if we are discussing his merits as a team MVP or a pro bowler...we are not. We are talking about the HALL OF FAME! the BEST of the best. And in that sense, Kleck had TWO dominating years...1981 and 1985. He had 5 VERY good years (1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1983), 3 average years (1984, 1986 and 1988) and 3 years where major injury robbed him of most of the year (1982, 1986, and 1987). Sorry...thats just not enough in my book to be a HOFer. Its close. Had he had 1 or 2 more years like 81 and 85 then I might feel different. But he didnt and unfortunately injury robbed him of many prime years. not his fault...but it also isnt an excuse that pushes himinto the HOF.
  20. Look I am not saying he should NOT ever be considered...but he is FAR from the no brainer you (and Dr Z...THAT'S who you are going to quote??? Guys been senile for a decade) make him out to be and IMO hes just not a HOFer. Hampton was a fringe HOF like Klecko but hampton got the ring and played on the 85 Bears D so he got in. And that Jets D that Klecko "anchored" with the exception of 81 and 85 never finsihed in the top 10. And funny, when he was out for most of 1982, the team only went to the AFC title game and had a terrific D. Your move...bud.
  21. I agree about hampton and thats the BERST excuse to put Kleck in. BUT.... 1. Hampton has a ring 2. Hampton had the good foprtune of being a part of one of the best Ds of all time 3. Hampton was more durable longer then Kleck was. Klecko was definately as good as hampton...both were fringe. But those little extras nudged Hampton in IMO.
  22. And Klecko played that position for exactly two seasons out of his 12...one of which he only played half the year. So tell me again why this dude on a message board who saw every game Klecko played in shouold change his mind? And if after all I have written you are still under the inmpression that I am "copmpletely relying on stats" then I think it is you who are not clear. So I'll try again. Klecko had two (maybe 3) DOMINANT years. 1981 as a 4-3 DE, 1985 as a 3-4 NT and maybe you can give him the half season of 1986 before he got hurt. Is that your definition of a HOFer? 2 or 3 years of "dominance"? If not, then tell me and try AGAIN to make some type of arguement. Oh and btw, apparantly the HOF voters agree wiht this "dude on a message board" because last time I checked, he wasnt in!!!!
  23. I mentioned Hill in my ealrier post too! THAT is a disgrace. 8 time pro bowler WITH a ring. And yet he was never seriously considered because the Jets were no bad once they joing the merged NFL. Webster...what a player he was. Tragic injury. I see Carl McAdmans in a similar light. He had so much talent but his injury limited him badly for the Jets. Speaking of which, do you remmeber Greg Cook of Cincy? Bill Walsh went to his grave saying he was the single ost talented QB he ever coached. As to Klecko, you and I are on the same page here. REALLY really good player and one I loved to death...but just didnt do it long eough on a dominant level to be a HOFer. The closest I thin we have to that Syares/Koufax type is Don mattingly. 5 years of absolute dominantion and then 6 more of non dominant due to injury. Namath can have a similar agurment. His first 5 years were superb. MVPs, pro bowls, a ring, dominant stats. Then his next 8 were very up and down as his health and team around him declined badly.
  24. Grow up. Make some type of arguement rather then some childish inaccurate insult. Were not talking about whether a player is good or not...were talking about the HOF. Is he one of the best EVER. I say Klecko is not and have stated why wihtout insult or sexual preference insinuation. Try it...its called an adult conversation/debate.
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