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47 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Didn't Zach Wilson have a good preseason last year

Umm... No?

He had a good enough preseason for a rookie - sure.  But, actually good.  Not how I remember it.  I do remember getting pounced on for saying that I didn't think he was ready, and that I was disappointed a capable starting QB was not in camp.  He certainly improved over time, which was nice, and I acknowledged that.

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1 hour ago, ZachEY said:

I do not like Mac Jones

 

43 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

I wouldn’t drink the Mac kool-aid just yet : 

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55 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

But there's been preseasons where the offense looked great 

I don't remember those.

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56 minutes ago, Lith said:

I would agree with you if you were talking more about the totality of the offseason.  By most counts, he struggled a couple of days ago.  Looked good yesterday.  Struggled today.  Majority of practices have been closed to media, so we have no info on how he has looked through most of the sessions.

Not sure what you can conclude from anyhting reported so far.

That I'd want a 2nd overall pick, 2nd year QB, to be consistently good at essentially, playing catch.

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1 minute ago, Sammybighead said:

We haven't had that luxury as fans for a while...

Really?  Because, I recall expecting to "learn a lot about Sam Darnold this season" and "learn a lot about Mark Sanchez this season."  I'd argue we've had that "luxury" with some real consistency.

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5 minutes ago, Lith said:

Speaking for myself, nothing I read in these tweets, positive or negative, will change my view of Zach.  I was not impressed with his rookie year and I am skeptical that he will become the guy that we want him to be.  Nothing he does will change my skepticism until I see it in the regular season against live defenses.  OTAs, minicamp, training camp are fun to read about and follow, but will not change the way I see Zach or the team until I see if for myself in the coming season.

I not sure the needle should move significantly during these practices, of course.  But, it's really quite simple - when you don't look good in all the same ways you didn't look good last year - that's concerning - and if you do look good in the ways you didn't last year - that's reason to believe he's improving.

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8 minutes ago, Sammybighead said:

It matters, but we gotta keep things in perspective. A practice is a few series. Teams try out new stuff in practice all the time. The key is stringing together consistent practices and eventually games. If zach doesn't look decisive one particular day, it doesn't mean he's doomed, as long as the majority of practices he's progressing in the right direction. 

New stuff... Old stuff... I imagine accurate throws are relevant regardless.

I agree, nothing says he's doomed, but we're all looking for a step forward from his performance last year, and I'm not seeing any reason to believe it will happen.

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2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Minimal reps, practice in shorts and still misfiring. I liked the draft a lot but it seems like the Jets continue to make the same mistakes over and over. Tell Belichick it doesn’t matter because it’s June. I’m sure that would go over well.

Every year since I've been on these websites, I'm told that preseason in meaningless, and then, the regular season comes around all all the same issues that occurred in preseason are still happening.

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10 minutes ago, Lith said:

 

Besides "it's June," which doesn't actually explain anything, I'm not sure why there is "really nothing ... to be gleaned from these practices?"  Last year, Wilson struggled with being a pro-QB.  That is to say, struggled with decision making and accuracy.  His strengths were as a flag football QB.

Why is it not, at least somewhat, concerning, that he continues to struggle to see the field and put the ball where it's supposed to be?

I do not like Mac Jones, but why is it not concerning that he can he go 20 for 21 in these sessions and Wilson can't look adequate in shorts with no pressure?

We keep seeing highlights on twitter of him side arming the ball... Who cares?  Show me him dropping back and putting the ball exactly where it's supposed to be.  That's what's going to make him successful.

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19 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

Read the replies. DWC immediately - immediately - started cursing him out and insisting he would make Bien-Aime block him again. What a complete moron

One guy’s Dad doesn’t love him enough and everyone in Jets orbit has to pay for it.

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9 minutes ago, Bronx said:

Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson saw at least 66 massage therapists over 17-month period, report says.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/game/_/gameId/401355064

Interesting - hadn’t heard this.

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2 minutes ago, Butterfield said:

I don’t know what you are talking about.  

Well, we certainly found the point where we agree.

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16 minutes ago, Butterfield said:

For what?  Having a different opinion?  Thanks for proving my point.  What is wrong with the world today?  

Honest answer?  One of the biggest things wrong with the world is people have been conditioned to dig in rather than consider that maybe they are wrong.

You came into this thread… offered an idea that was overwhelmingly pointed out as misguided by most of the participants of the discussion and your response was to blame “hive mind,” tell people you would block them, tell people to move on, accuse others of bias, claim we should “agree to disagree,” rather than doing what you should have done… considered the arguments made against your point, and try to learn something.

So yeah, one thing that is definitely wrong with this world is unwillingness to consider that maybe you’re wrong and instead blame everyone else.

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8 minutes ago, Butterfield said:

When did i ever say that?  
 

If the evidence is so overwhelming, why hasn’t he been charged with a crime?  

You shared that you were assaulted in a massage parlor you thought was professional, but wasn’t.

I believe you.

That said, what evidence do you have of this assault that would hold up in court?

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1 minute ago, Butterfield said:

Then you can move on.  You don’t need to understand my posts.  

I'm responding to DetroitRed, buddy.

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1 minute ago, DetroitRed said:

I don’t think he said that.  Not good

 

Based on what you stated, I looked up one of the accuser’s ads and if it’s authentic, I would say she looks very much like a professional.  

I'm having a hard time understanding what the purpose of 'do you know how easy it is to get a hand job massage' has to do with anything here in this thread if not to suggest that there is a very strong chance these women were sex workers.

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Just now, Butterfield said:

You need to reread.  I have no thesis.  

 

2 hours ago, Butterfield said:

Some of the comments in this thread make me wonder if people are really this naive.  Do people not realize that happy ending massages are fairly commonplace?  These types of massage parlors are everywhere.  

Thesis.

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3 minutes ago, Butterfield said:

Ok, then ignore my posts.  You have a predisposition.  I don’t. We don’t need to agree.  

I don't have a predisposition.  Your thesis is that these 24 women are all sex workers despite their being no evidence of it.  That's the actual predisposition.  The only support for your position is that you can in fact get a hand job for money.

We definitely don't need to agree.  But that doesn't mean I, or anyone else, needs to accept that both of our positions have equal standing.

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3 minutes ago, Butterfield said:

Maybe.  But I’m not jumping to conclusions.  I enjoy exploring alternative explanations. We can agree to disagree.  

I'm open to any alternative explanation that is plausible - I've yet to hear one.

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Just now, Butterfield said:

I have no idea what information they have.  The only thing i know is that he has not been charged with a crime despite so much supposed evidence.  

There's no hard evidence in this, and so many other sexual assault cases.  What happens in a small, closed room, with no witnesses, is never going to lead to much, if any, evidence.  But, he did it, and he did it and it can be prosecuted, are different things.

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1 minute ago, DetroitRed said:

I agree.  Do you think the media would post their ad?  Do you think the media would attack their ad?  Or misrepresent it?  One way or the other?  
 

Once again,  there is so much we do not know

I think if that woman in the ad I shared was one of Watson's accusers, then Watson's team would absolutely get it seen.  Would some media outlets try to downplay it?  Maybe - but come on... twitter?  That sh*t would be literally everywhere.  Everywhere.

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1 hour ago, Butterfield said:

Hand jobs?  No, they advertise much more than that.

And no, Watson’s team may want to slowly release information to make it more palatable.  The first step was the last release, about happy endings.  

Please... A screen shot of one of these women offering "massage" dressed evocatively would have been employed immediately if it existed to crush the woman's credibility.

1 hour ago, DetroitRed said:

Can you give me a link to someone advertising a hand job?  Not being a smart ass. I just think law enforcement would be all over that, depending on where you were 

This is in NJ.  It does not say "hand jobs for sale," but what do you think you're getting?  I scribbled out the name.

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

I actually think it's worse than that.  

It seems to me he went out of his way to find the legitimate ones on which to force himself.  IMO, that is where this becomes really bad.  

This is premeditated sexual assault -  predator like behavior. 

Oh, I agree.

1 hour ago, Butterfield said:

The listings don’t exist forever.  

Oh, stop.  First, they want the slow drip (pun intended) and now the listing all expired before Watson's team could screen shot even one?

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Just now, Butterfield said:

The fact is, we really have no idea what happened.  I am not saying some were not legitimate, but some could just be opportunistic and realize that they are putting Watson in a tough spot where he doesn’t want to admit to doing what he did.  
 

I just don’t think people realize how commonplace this is.  In a city like houston, there are thousands of women advertising happy ending massages.  

Question on this... If any of the 24 women were advertising hand jobs, don't you think those advertisements would have been made very, extremely, public by Watson's team?

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8 minutes ago, Butterfield said:

Some of the comments in this thread make me wonder if people are really this naive.  Do people not realize that happy ending massages are fairly commonplace?  These types of massage parlors are everywhere.  We probably have 10 within a 10 minute driving radius, and they are in every big city and numerous small towns.  There are numerous websites where women advertise these services outside of these establishments and where visitors review them.  I know because I mistakenly visited one, when looking for a legitimate massage, and found the rabbit hole.  
 

Besides, how can the league look down on this when Bob Kraft was caught doing the same exact thing.  

I mean, I don't think that anyone isn't aware that you can pretty easily find a massage with a hand job.  I think the issue is that Deshaun Watson seems to think that it's on the menu at every massage.

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3 minutes ago, undertow said:

Yeah the point is Goodell reacts to the public and media pressure and there hasn't been any over the past year which is why he's done nothing and Cleveland felt comfortable trading for him.

This portion of your post, I have no problem agreeing with.