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Jets finally win a game and people freaking out over a 21 yr old rookie playing in his 3rd NFL game. the he’s not Donald, Sapp. ...How does anyone know what he’s going to be. It’s his 3rd NFL game. how did Darnold look after his 3rd NFL game?

via Athletic How Demaryius Thomas’ recommendation helped land speedy wideout Vyncint Smith with the Jets FLORHAM PARK, N.J. — Vyncint Smith owes Demaryius Thomas dinner. He figures it’s the least he can do for his fellow Jets receiver. The 23-year-old Smith began this season on Houston’s practice squad. He had a good training camp, but, according to the Texans coaching staff, he wasn’t good enough. They needed his roster spot elsewhere. If someone went down, though, he’d get the call-up. And for the first three weeks of the season, that’s where Smith stayed. He practiced. He ran scout. He did everything he could to make sure, when he got his opportunity with Houston, he’d be ready. Until his phone rang on September 23rd. “It was my agent,” Smith said. “He asked if I was ready to get on a 53-man roster. He said the Jets called and they wanted to bring me in. I was like, ‘Really?’ “He goes, ‘Yeah. Demaryius gave you quite the shout out.'” The 31-year-old Thomas, now in his tenth NFL season, has accomplished quite a bit. He’s a former first-round pick. A two-time second-team all-pro. A five-time Pro Bowler. A Super Bowl Champion. Impressive accolades, along with a career total 693 catches, 9,376 yards and 62 touchdowns. There hasn’t been much Thomas hasn’t accomplished in his career, but the 2018 season presented a challenge unlike one he’d faced up until that point. Thomas spent his first eight and a half seasons with the Broncos. But midway through last year — and with Denver gearing up for a full-on rebuild — management decided to deal him to Houston for draft compensation. Denver got back a fourth-round pick. The Texans got someone they believed was a missing piece on their offense. Learning a new scheme wasn’t anything novel for Thomas. He played for five different coordinators and seven quarterbacks during his time with the Broncos. But he always had the entirety of an offseason to learn the scheme and develop a rhythm with the passer. In Houston, he was thrust into the lineup and asked to make an immediate impact. He was fine with weekly game-planning. That’s no different wherever you go. But the playbook and its terminology were entirely new. Learning in days what others had in months wasn’t going to be easy. Then Smith, an undrafted free agent who made the Texans’ 53-man roster last year, took the seat next to Thomas in a team meeting. He introduced himself. “He offered to help me with the playbook,” Thomas said. “In return, I helped him on the field.” Smith played college ball at Limestone, a Division II school in South Carolina. He finished his four-year career with 153 catches for 2,371 yards and 11 touchdowns, highlighted by a 49-849-2 line as a senior. After going undrafted, the Texans signed him as a priority free agent. They gave him $35,000 guaranteed — a sizable amount for a UDFA — which included a $10,000 signing bonus and a $25,000 guaranteed portion of his base salary. Texans coach Bill O’Brien loved his size (6-3, 203), speed (4.36 40-yard dash), and hands. Smith was raw. But in Houston, they don’t require route technicians at receiver. They want guys who can get open. The staff believed Smith could do that. To an extent, he did. He caught four passes for 94 yards and a touchdown in the preseason to earn his roster spot. When Thomas arrived, though, Smith saw an opportunity to take his game to the next level. Thomas played his college ball at Georgia Tech. While he played in a pro-style offense his freshman year under Chan Gailey, the offense converted to a triple-option the next season. Thomas ran “basically three routes” over the next three years, he said. He entered the NFL raw, much like Smith. He had to learn how to run routes, read coverages, and adjust based on what a defensive back gave him. Thomas prided himself on becoming a true student of the game, not someone who got by on his athletic gifts. Those were traits Smith desperately wanted to add to his own game. So Thomas helped him. Smith says it would take him hours to list the number of ways Thomas impacted his game and the little tidbits he passed down. But the one he always goes back to, and the one he’s still working to perfect to this day, is the way he breaks on his routes. Throughout his high school and college career, and into training camp with Houston, Smith ran patterns on his toes. So when it was time to break, he did so the same way. Thomas was the first to tell him to stop. He advised Smith to use his entire foot, not a portion. “The way he described it,” Smith said, emulating a route in front of his locker, “was that it was basically like using half of your brake pad.” The two men forged a friendship that lasted throughout the year. Even when Thomas tore his Achilles in December, he still helped Smith. Their lessons started to pay off. Smith caught just one pass the first 15 weeks of the season. He caught four for 63 and a touchdown the final two. “He wants to know the how and the why,” Thomas said. “That’s super beneficial. When you have someone like him that wants to work? Those are the guys who end up being the greats. They’re the ones who are in this league 10-plus years. “We never had a problem with Vyncint. He was reliable, dependable and accountable. I praise him so much because he was always on time. He did everything right. We never had to ask him to do anything. He would work in with the No. 1 offense or scout team. He jumped in and did it the same way. He reminds me of myself. I would do those things.” In late September, there’s only so much you can do to infuse your roster without trading away draft assets. Considering the dire state of the Jets’ offensive line and cornerbacks, dealing those picks wasn’t an option. So general manager Joe Douglas had to get creative to supplement the team’s underwhelming receiving corps after Quincy Enunwa went down for the year. The team’s pro scouting department came across Smith. They watched his film last year and made calls on his play this summer. They were surprised this kid was still on a practice squad. Not so much that Houston hadn’t elevated him to its 53. That was understandable with DeAndre Hopkins, Will Fuller and Kenny Stills healthy. But why hadn’t another team scooped him up? Douglas took his findings and knocked on Adam Gase’s door. The Jets coach watched the film. He saw the same thing Douglas did — speed. The type of speed that can cripple a defense. But then he grabbed his phone. Talent is one thing. He needed to know what Smith was like as a person. And he knew just the guy to call. “I couldn’t tell (Gase) enough about him,” Thomas said. “I told him how he’s the guy who, when you tell him something, he listens. He then instantly takes it to the field. He has raw talent. He can run, catch, run with the ball in his hands. But he listens. He listens and applies. That’s hard for young guys to do. But with Vyncint, you tell him, he’ll practice it a couple of times, then he does it. “I’d been around him most of last year. So I knew how hard he works. I told (Gase) how, when we were in Houston, he ran the most routes out of anyone. Sometimes (Hopkins) would be out, or Fuller. Vyncint would fill in wherever they needed him. He ran everything. Never complained. He just did his job. Kept his head down.” Gase told Thomas the Jets were thinking about signing Smith. “And I told him I loved him,” Thomas said. “I told him he would come in here and do whatever we asked him to do. I knew, with our locker room, we needed someone like that.” The Jets made the formal request to sign Smith the day before they played the Patriots. Adam Seifer, Smith’s agent, called his client. He had a decision to make. The Texans, after hearing of the Jets’ intentions, offered to promote him to their 53-man roster, too. They didn’t want to lose him. Smith already knew Houston’s playbook. He was comfortable with their staff. Staying with the Texans made sense. But, Seifer said, there was a bigger picture to consider. If Smith signed on the Texans’ 53, they could release him the next week and put him right back on the practice squad. With Hopkins, Fuller and Stills still healthy, they didn’t need Smith. They were just signing him to prevent him from going to New York. If Smith signed with the Jets, they had to keep him on the 53 for a minimum of three weeks — a league policy. Smith would have a chance to prove himself. Plus, considering the state of the Jets’ receivers, he had an opportunity to work himself into the lineup. “This was a better situation for me,” Smith said. “Plus, I feel like the future is brighter here.” Smith chuckles a little recalling the series of events that led to his first touchdown with the Jets last week. First, the Jets recovered a muffed punt by the Eagles’ Corey Clement at the 19 yard line. Then, he heard receivers coach Shawn Jefferson call out his personnel grouping. That was cool, he said, because he knew he’d be on the field. Finally, Luke Falk called the play in the huddle. “That’s when I really got excited,” Smith said. The Jets dialed up a wide receiver reverse. The play called for Falk to fake a handoff to Le’Veon Bell, then run an option-type play with Ty Montgomery to the right side. At the same time, though, Smith would loop around and take the toss instead. The play was designed to get the defense all going right, before Smith darted around the left with Bell out as his lead blocker. After Falk finished the call, Smith’s eyes must have grown quite a bit because Montgomery reminded the 23-year-old to breathe, secure the ball, then run like hell. And Smith did. Everything worked perfectly for a 19-yard touchdown. “I got around, and there was no one there,” Smith said. “I didn’t even have to run too hard. It was one of the easier touchdowns I’ve had.” The touchdown run provided fans just a snippet of what Smith can do. In his short time with the Jets, he’s put more than enough on film at practice to have his role expanding. The Jets knew they were getting a decent player with speed to stretch the field. Gase didn’t quite realize just how good his hands were or how much progress he’s made with his route running. The Jets have run a conservative offensive attack ever since Sam Darnold’s mono diagnosis and Trevor Siemian’s ankle injury. While the team likes Falk, they’re aware of his limitations. They simplified the offense not to overwhelm him. They deployed an abundance of two tight-end sets to keep the defense in base, which would be easier for Falk to read. But in an attempt to ease Falk’s acclimation, the Jets offense became predictable, lacked excitement, and failed to keep the team in games. The Jets scored just one offensive touchdown after Darnold’s injury. “It didn’t work,” said Gase. This week against the Cowboys should be different. Darnold received medical clearance on Tuesday and will start. The offense will open up. And when it does, Smith will receive even more opportunities. He’s finally getting a chance to play. He owes a portion of that to Thomas. So maybe it’s time they set that dinner date? “No,” Thomas said, laughing. “He doesn’t have to do that. I just want him to come out here, have fun, and help us win. That’s repayment enough.”

Via the Athletic...Of the top 3 tiers out of the 11, only 5 were 1st round picks. Though of the top 2 tiers 4 of the 6 were #1 picks. .JMO I'd still go OL the 1st two rounds of next yrs draft. Who are the NFL’s true No. 1 receivers? Coaches and evaluators weigh in By Mike Sando Oct 9, 2019 Julio Jones’ rare size, speed, hands and route-running versatility make him a prototypical No. 1 wide receiver in the NFL. Not many would contend otherwise. Odell Beckham and Tyreek Hill are special talents with explosive play-making ability. DeAndre Hopkins dominates in his own way. Michael Thomas’ consistent production cannot be ignored. But as passing proliferates in the NFL, raw numbers can blur lines between true No. 1 wide receivers and lesser talents with outstanding production. Over the past few months, I’ve asked coaches and evaluators around the NFL what makes a true No. 1 wideout in their minds. Some of their answers were as nuanced as the receivers themselves, but their input provided a framework for categorizing the top wideouts. “A No. 1 receiver to me is someone who can take over a game, someone you need to double-cover the whole game,” a general manager said. “Like Julio, you have to have a safety over him the whole game, and the minute you don’t, he is going to run by you and take it to the house.” Another GM thought true No. 1 receivers should be able to win matchups on the perimeter while showing enough versatility to play effectively from the slot as well. “He has very good speed, at least,” this GM said. “Not necessarily always size, but the athletic ability and explosiveness to change a game.” And a third GM said true No. 1 receivers must be able to beat zone or man coverage. “To be a No. 1,” this GM added, “you have to be able to make contested catches because we have to be able to throw the ball to you when everybody knows it’s coming.” So who are the NFL’s true No. 1 receivers? I’ve posed that question to more than a dozen coaches and evaluators. Some of the results might surprise you. The receivers are listed below in a rough order based on general enthusiasm from those I spoke with, but it’s not a scientific rating. While Jones resides at the top, the separation between some of the other receivers in each category isn’t as clear. Note: For each receiver, I’ve included the percentage of snaps since 2017 that they lined up in the slot, as opposed to on the perimeter. Coaches and evaluators generally agree that winning matchups on the perimeter is more difficult, and helps separate receivers. No. 1 wide receivers (Superhuman division) Coaches and evaluators thought these receivers possessed special traits to go along with proven production. Julio Jones, Atlanta Falcons Ht: 6-3 | Wt: 220 | Slot: 19% Odell Beckham, Cleveland Browns Ht: 5-11 | Wt: 198 | Slot: 21% Tyreek Hill, Kansas City Chiefs Ht: 5-10 | Wt: 185 | Slot: 37% No. 1 wide receivers (Human Division) Many coaches and evaluators anointed these guys with the No. 1 label, but they didn’t always see special traits to push them into the superhuman division. DeAndre Hopkins, Houston Texans Ht: 6-1 | Wt: 212 | Slot: 16% Michael Thomas, New Orleans Saints Ht: 6-3 | Wt: 212 | Slot: 22% Mike Evans, Tampa Bay Buccaneers Ht: 6-5 | Wt: 231 | Slot: 16% No. 1 wide receivers (…if you say so) Coaches and evaluators acknowledged the talent and/or production, but a larger number weren’t willing to fully anoint for various reasons. Amari Cooper, Dallas Cowboys Ht: 6-1 | Wt: 225 | Slot: 20% Davante Adams, Green Bay Packers Ht: 6-1 | Wt: 225 | Slot: 17% T.Y. Hilton, Indianapolis Colts Ht: 5-10 | Wt: 183 | Slot: 26% Keenan Allen, Los Angeles Chargers Ht: 6-2 | Wt: 211 | Slot: 45% Adam Thielen, Minnesota Vikings Ht: 6-2 | Wt: 200 | Slot: 42% The Last Word …on some receivers who may or may not belong in the No. 1 conversation (if I left off someone you’re interested in, it probably meant I didn’t have a comment worth sharing). A.J. Green, Cincinnati Bengals Ht: 6-4 | Wt: 210 | Slot: 14% “At one time, I would have put him in that group with Julio. He is just banged up. To say he is a 1 today, I don’t know that. I think he is trending down. Let’s see how he comes back.” Stefon Diggs, Minnesota Vikings Ht: 6-0 | Wt: 191 | Slot: 24% “I actually think Diggs is a better receiver than Thielen even though Thielen has the stats. I think you can line up Diggs inside and outside to get open. I think Diggs can do what Davante Adams can do, but they don’t use him in that role. The more outside Thielen is, I think you can cover him.” Alshon Jeffery, Philadelphia Eagles Ht: 6-3 | Wt: 218 | Slot: 13% “He is hard to cover and when he gets singled up, he beats the guy who singles him up, but I don’t see him playing like a 1 consistently.” Brandin Cooks, Los Angeles Rams Ht: 5-10 | Wt: 183 | Slot: 16% “I think he’s a one-trick pony a little bit — vertical, straight line, small. But everywhere he goes, he is a key contributor to a winning team. He can be overlooked. I’d rather have him than Sammy Watkins.” Robert Woods, Los Angeles Rams Ht: 6-0 | Wt: 195 | Slot: 33% “If they lost Woods, that would hurt more than if you took Cooks off, because Woods to me is the guy who moves the chains, runs the precise routes, that the quarterback is always going to know where he’s at. If you are going to play soft and not give up the home run, Woods is going to catch eight passes for 110 yards and a touchdown or two.” Tyler Lockett, Seattle Seahawks Ht: 5-10 | Wt: 182 | Slot: 50% “I think he’s got a little T.Y. Hilton in him, but I don’t think they schematically use him in that role, whereas I think he could be that guy.” JuJu Smith-Schuster, Pittsburgh Steelers Ht: 6-1 | Wt: 215 | Slot: 53% “Everyone is looking at you. The opportunity is there. Does he seize it? It’s a different deal without Antonio Brown there, and then obviously the quarterback situation is a factor.” Jarvis Landry, Cleveland Browns Ht: 5-11 | Wt: 196 | Slot: 60% “He is Michael Thomas in a little man’s body who can’t play outside. He plays tough — you gotta love the guy — but might be in that category where he is never going to be anything but good.” Allen Robinson, Chicago Bears Ht: 6-2 | Wt: 220 | Slot: 35% “If he had not gotten injured that one year (2017), I think he could have been on pace with a Thielen. Is he good enough on a week-to-week basis to separate and be a true No. 1? I don’t know if he has enough. There is a separator between the true No. 1s and the vast majority of guys that are good but not great.” Josh Gordon, New England Patriots Ht: 6-3 | Wt: 225 | Slot: 12% “I don’t think he runs as great as he used to, but he’s a good 2.” Kenny Golladay, Detroit Lions Ht: 6-4 | Wt: 214 | Slot: 16% “I think Golladay is a legit No. 1 receiver. He is not going to beat you on speed, but he could be a Mike Evans-type player. Golladay has physical ability to beat corners one-on-one on a down you need it most. He is just bigger and stronger.” Sammy Watkins, Kansas City Chiefs Ht: 6-1 | Wt: 211 | Slot: 34% “I don’t know what he is, but it’s tough to say he is a 1. You are still taking him off what you thought about him in the draft. He just has not been consistent enough.” Chris Godwin, Tampa Bay Buccaneers Ht: 6-1 | Wt: 209 | Slot: 30% “Reliable, tough player you can count on, with the ability to play inside and out. His max potential could be like a Michael Thomas or Adam Thielen – a 1 for some teams but probably best as a 2.” Julian Edelman, New England Patriots Ht: 5-10 | Wt: 198 | Slot: 53% “I wish there was another category of guys that are just consistently good, consistently solid. I would not say Julian is a No. 1. I think he is a darn good slot.” Cooper Kupp, Los Angeles Rams Ht: 6-2 | Wt: 208 | Slot: 52% “Kupp is like a machine. He is like the Carolina running back (Christian McCaffrey) of slot receivers. He just goes and goes.” D.J. Chark, Jacksonville Jaguars Ht: 6-4 | Wt: 198 | Slot: 22% “Chark is the real deal. His performance (Sunday against Carolina) was the best I’ve seen in a while. Really good athlete. Right now, he is putting up No. 1-type numbers.” A.J. Brown, Tennessee Titans Ht: 6-1 | Wt: 226 | Slot: 6% “I think he can be a 1 and I think he can be the best receiver on that team. He has the all-around ability.” Marquise Brown, Baltimore Ravens Ht: 5-9 | Wt: 170 | Slot: 30% “Durability was my biggest concern and he did get hurt in the Pittsburgh game. He can sure run and make plays, not just on offense but on special teams, too.” D.K. Metcalf, Seattle Seahawks Ht: 6-4 | Wt: 229 | Slot: 14% “It is crazy to me that he fell so late in the second round. He has traits that are ridiculous. He will just line up and beat you. I think he can become a 1.” Deebo Samuel, San Francisco 49ers Ht: 6-0 | Wt: 215 | Slot: 16% “Don’t be surprised if in Year 2 or Year 3, guys like Deebo Samuel and Parris Campbell (of the Colts) suddenly emerge. I see them in that next category (below the true No. 1s).” Terry McLaurin, Washington Redskins Ht: 6-0 | Wt: 210 | Slot: 16% “I love him but don’t view him as a true No. 1. To me, at his best, he is more of a slot receiver who will make big plays for you when you need them most.” Emmanuel Sanders, Denver Broncos Ht: 5-11 | Wt: 180 | Slot: 38% “Sanders is a great example of a solid guy that has always been a really good No. 2-type receiver. In some ways, he is their No. 1 right now in Denver. Speaking of Denver, he still hasn’t flashed to his true potential, but I think Courtland Sutton has the potential to be that guy.” Larry Fitzgerald, Arizona Cardinals Ht: 6-3 | Wt: 218 | Slot: 58% “DeAndre Hopkins at the point reminds me a little of Larry Fitzgerald at one time, except Fitz maybe had more run-after-catch.”

Agree. He hasn't been activated to the 53 yet so no need to include in the injury report. I'm not certain when the roster exemption expires - possibly Monday?

you could probably add Bless Austin to that..... how many scouts are out there 7-8 a team? so 250+? I'd like to see each scout's opinion on each draft eligible player and let's see what the % is of hits..look at the % of UDFA that make it to NFL rosters..I think it's around 20%

Aren't we all tired of talk?!? At least those of us who have been around for decades and have heard all the canned phrases?!?! I liked the hire. I'm hopeful this time the franchise finally got it right. But after all these years these guys all say the same thing.

Based on Cashman alone that's a bad pro scout.....Edoga is still TBD (4 games in)..And I'd bet the undraftable was based on his off-field issues..So far, as far as we know, he's been fine. For those that don't know he witnessed his father getting shot and killed as a kid Bob McGinn: “Fourth-year senior. “He’s got talent,” said one scout. “It’s the makeup stuff. Is he going to be willing to do the things it takes to maximize what his skill set is? He’s got a starter’s skill set.” Flunked a drug test in 2015, ejected for pushing an official in September 2016 and suspended for a game that October for violating team rules. His Nigerian father was murdered in front of him in Africa. Has taken himself out of games at crucial times. “He is 100% a character risk,” said a second scout. “I would never draft that guy. He’s got the second best feet in the draft but he is a (bleep).” Highest Wonderlic of the tackles (34). Long arms (34 ¾).”

tell joewilly

His hire, mid-June, was lauded by everyone in the know! He spoke then and during TC. But now you (and other knowledgeable FB fans here) need to hear from him after 4 games, when they didn't have their starting QB for 3 (not 100% for the other) and their starting LB (D capt) out since 3rd Qtr of week 1? Seriously? JC stevie wonder can see they haven't been good enough. So yeah, a football lifer, lauded by all, trained under Ozzie Newsome, Howard Roseman and their regimes now must tell fans, "we must fix this". Some would complain about that and tell him to not insult our intelligence.

I'll help JoeWilly out..He's on Tampa's PS...

JC no sh*t..Go into each team and look at their rosters..my gawd

Well if Kittle was such the sure thing why didn't he go earlier?!? 8 TEs were picked before Kittle.. Herndon was picked the next draft in the 4th All this bitching because Herndon comes up with a lame hammy. Herndon should be back by the end of Oct

Pretty sure Greg Nejmeh, Chad Alexander and Joe D do considering two weeks ago they signed Vyncint Smith off the Texans PS.. You have the time so go check out each teams PS from the below link then send the names to the Jets.. https://www.nfl.com/teams https://jets.formstack.com/forms/newyorkjetscom_contact_us

Ok..then that's new. I've always have read players on suspension weren't permitted in the facility. Maybe those suspended for ped, failed drug tests aren't permitted..

thought so