Jet Moses

At the office Christmas party they had a bagel slicer. Bagels were hard as a rock, too. I pulled a muscle in my mandible.

My wife and daughter went to Brazil. I'm home.... alone.

I agree 100%. I'm a Roman Catholic, and I wouldn't want to show up for Mass on Sunday with a church full of people who were forced to be there because the court said so. Thats demented and deranged beyond description. Yet, thats what happens in AA. Worse, there is no authority.

Where are your statistics, then? Do you have any? Treating the compulsions of modern life as "disease events" is actually a way of avoiding dealing with reality. But facing lifes challenges is too hard-- its easier to dismiss excessive drinking as a "disease", and become indoctrinated with the idea that we are not active agents in our addiction, but passive victims of a disease. What kind of psychology is that? This ideology has led to our entire society decaying to the point where nobody is ever accountable for egregious behavior--- Tiger Woods didn't do anything wrong, he's simpl

That joke gets a trombone.

Are you ****tin' me? AA is a corporate enterprise. They rake in billions, and there isn't an honest accounting of all the cash. Also, statistically, more people get sober and stay abstinent from drugs and alcohol without 12 step, rehab and all the other psychobabble. They simply quit, cold turkey, and never drink again. http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-secrets.html

So he came into this world thinking that he would never fail? And now that he has, he's giving up? That's sad. I'm glad my parents instilled in me such low expectations. Kidding aside--- I know Asians have alot of pressure put on them by family to succeed, I think in China or Japan the suicide rate at universities is off the charts. Can't say anything to that but at this point all I can do is recommend he reads this book: http://www.amazon.com/When-Things-Happen-Good-People/dp/0380603926

AA is the epitomy of group think. It attracts predators and predatory behavior. Here you have a room full of vulnerable people, some of whom are baring there souls bare, and you can just see the vultures circling. It's sad. I own The Small Book. Another great book is The Diseasing of America by Stanton Peele. You should read it.

First of all, I'm not an alcoholic. Indeed, alcoholism is a folk term--- it is not a medical term. A doctor can diagnose you as alcohol dependent, or alcohol abuser, but never an alcoholic. A doctor who diagnosed you as an alcoholic would lose his license. When I was 25, my daughter was born and I knew my drinking behavior was not compatible with being a father. So I went to A.A. off and on from 1990-1997, with my longest period of sobriety 4 years. I know that without A.A. I would not have been able to accomplish that. There was a numbe of reasons why I started drinking again---

I can respect that. But Alice Cooper captures my point of view perfectly in his song, Brutal Planet: WyaT9IjnwKo

Well the point I was making was that people have survived hopeless situations, where suicide would actually be an understandable option. Have you asked your friend why he is suicidal? I think that should be ground zero for administering help.

It's the epitomy of an irrational act.

Well you can do both. Bob, you know I am a practicing Catholic, yet the whole faith healing religiousity of A.A. is a huge turnoff for me. Professional help is definitely essential. I would begin here: http://www.rebtinstitute.org/store/ A sample of Ellis: 7yFxIjhdSlE

Pot meet kettle. I don't think anybody here was passing judgement on anyone who commits suicide. Dark Lady asked a sincere question and I gave a sincere answer. Of course sometimes people are in terrible emotional and physical pain. Thanks for stating the obvious.

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Waiting for us to get our crap together? Pretty patient.

Why? http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/4-year-old-killed-264602.html That's one more kid that will never go to school never get to fall in love never get to be cool

Bands like the Who when I'm drunk is the only thing thats kept me sane. Because this is a ****ed up world and it's ruled by Satan. You better get that through your head. And the only thing that gets your through this world is by staying connected to God, who's OUT THERE! And you keep that connection through prayer. You can find out now or wait until your in a ditch flies buzzing around your eyes.

BUT IT DON'T REALLY HAPPEN THAT WAY AT ALL... 0AIU-EHSnCc

Pretty vapid.

I'll accept that. You are off my s h i t list---- FOR NOW.

He can't read and write English and you expect him to know Spanish?

You can redeem yourself if you can name every drummer for Black Sabbath.