Posts posted by gangreenman
Every player says this when its time to renegotiate. It would be just plain dumb to say anything else.
To say Goodson didn't produce n fault Idzik for it is dumb. Goodson was on IR. U can't blame the player,GM or the HC for a player suffering season ending injury.
He was arrested, suspended, and then hurt. The "red flags" on him last offseason were durability and off-the-field conduct. Not saying he can't be a good player, but no matter how its twisted, Mike Goodson was at best not productive last season, and at worst counter-productive.
t0m ruins the boards for years, no problem. I ruin the boards for one week, everyone loses their friggin heads.
So, essentially, your name is stoicsentry, and t0mshane is the poster you compare yourself too. Got it.
This thread has real potential
Idzik's plan is that of someone who's very confident in their ability to draft. The only way this plan works is if he's at least better than average in that department. So far, we don't know if that's the case. His two first rounders last year look like players. If Geno seizes the starting QB job, that would obviously be huge. The rest of his first draft was really nothing to write home about, though.
There's been a ton of talk about his 12 draft picks, but it needs to be noted that 8 of them come in rounds 4-6. He needs to crush it on the third day of the selection process. He's got his own personnel department in place this year, and the pressure's on. They need to produce.
Exactly. How those late round and UDFA projects develop over the next year or two will be a key in the overall success of Idzik's plan. If they can become viable role players and spot-starters by the end of their contracts, that gives Idzik a lot of flexibility when it comes to FA and resigning guys…
loved the steeler reference. that's the model idzik is going after imho.
I agree. There were a ton of Pats examples I was thinking of as well, but decided not to mention any, because F them.
did you copy and paste that ?
I remember reading here he over paid for patterson, breno and decker and ford
No. Wrote it all by myself.
Very interesting offseason thus far. Obviously need to see what happens on the weekend of May 5th before we can start to come to any real conclusions, but the approach Idzik is using (although not going to win over desperate fans/media right away), is one meant to sustain a longer period of success than we have seen from the Tannenbaum era.
While "money ball" isn't the same in football as in baseball, I like that Idzik seems to have an estimated value of what each player is worth before he heads into any negotiations. Instead of spending more money for players than he believes they are worth just because we have some extra right now, he has let guys walk or sign elsewhere, always looking to get good value.
DRAFT FOR DEPTH
To supplement this strategy with Free Agents, Idzik has stockpiled draft picks. Whether or not Idzik succeeds on building a championship caliber roster with the Jets, the draft, and how the picks develop over a few year span, is absolutely critical. Idzik is going to use the 12 picks this year primarily to continue building depth on the roster. If we can draft a lot of good "project" depth players in rounds 4-7, it makes it a lot easier for him to never overpay a free agent or a player on an expiring deal.
LET THE PLAYERS DEVELOP
As mentioned in his draft strategy, the other part of his plan, which has been absent for years, seems to be that he wants to let the guys currently on the roster develop and earn bigger roles on the team. Instead of overpaying for a big name safety or OL, he seems content on letting guys like Brian Winters and Antonio Allen get more reps with the starters and more attention from the coaches to see if they can grow into a starting role.
It is near impossible to build a championship caliber roster using this plan if you do not have fixtures at some key positions. Right now, QB, arguably the most key position, is a big question mark. For Idzik to succeed, Geno either needs to develop into a franchise QB, or Idzik needs to do some searching for someone that will.
GETTING VALUE IN FA
Never overpaying is a great concept, but the guys he does bring in need to be able to produce. David Nelson was a shining example last season. Mike Goodson? Not so much. Whether or not guys like Giacomini, Decker, and Vick can be productive will certainly have a large impact on our season.
HAVING BACKUPS IN HOUSE
If we can hit on our late round draft picks, and our coaches do a good job developing these picks, Idzik should never have to overpay a non-essential player when his contract expires. Look how the Steelers were able to let Alan Faneca walk without missing a step. This will save money to pay guys like Wilkerson, Richardson, Mangold, and DBrick when its time to renegotiate their contracts.
Why is this all Manish Mehta's fault? I don't get it...maybe the friend that he's talking about is really Rex telling someone to tell the reporter what is going on and how he's not getting ANY help whatsoever in rebuilding the roster, at least not through free agency. Look, I see how the brown dude with the black puffy hair has become public enemy #1 on all the Jets boards but the Jets fielding crappy teams ain't his fault. It all starts with a crappy owner who no one seems to respect very much around the league.
What player, or two, that we missed on in FA would have really helped us that much this year? It's not like James Jones, DRC/Davis, and Pettigrew would have suddenly made us a perennial contender. We have seen past regimes sign so many aging players to bad contracts just because then get stuck in cap hell in 2 years because of it. I think its at least somewhat refreshing that we have someone in charge with the balls to stick to his plan and not enter desperation panic mode after less than 1 week of FA because plan A & B didn't work.
I was waiting for someone to start the "Idzik was forced to keep Rex again this year, and now is tanking the offseason so he can fire him next year" conspiracy theory. Although I must say I didn't expect it from a beat writer, citing a "source"...
I think its best not to judge on March 12th. How many times have the Jets had the best offseason in the AFCE? How many championships has it resulted in?
Idzik is not going to build this team by dishing out large contracts to big name FA's at the tail end of their primes. Look at Seattle's defense. Speed and youth.
No need to panic. Lets at least let the plan play out…
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Idzik really has no history except last year, and he had no money then.
With that said I don't think the Jets will be real active in acquiring high priced FA's. Their not one player away from being a SB contender
Exactly. In this FA period, we will see the Jets use the quantity over quality approach. It is well documented that with all of the trading of draft picks our previous GM did, we ended up with a roster that lacked a lot in depth. The money available this offseason will be used to fill some of those voids that have been missing over the last few seasons, and allow us to go BAP with our draft this spring.
The last time the pats *won a superbowl barely anyone had camera phones yet and a touch screen was from a scifi movie.
The last time the pats *won a superbowl.... I'm sure we can think of some good ones.
Curtis Martin was a pro bowler
Paul Tagilabue was the NFL Commish
George W Bush was just sworn in for his 2nd term
Sean Alexander lead the league in rushing
And not that I dont disagree with most of what you said, but we can get a guy like ANDREW LUCK without the so called "tanking" IF, we have a GM and owner who are willing to take a risk, bundle up some picks and move up to #1 or #2, and finally take that "Andrew Luck" or whoever you think is a REAL franchise QB.
We can continue to draft projects and sign FA discards but in reality, you are correct, unless someone finally steps up and takes a chance in this organization.
Tanny did that to move up to 5 and draft Sanchez.... Just sayin'
There are a lot of people who get legally drunk at NFL games who do not act like idiots and have a designated driver. Unfortunately there is increasinlgy large segment of those who attend who think it's license to act like an animal. Don;t think that justifies the intrusion of breathlyzing everyone. it takes forever to get inside the stadium already.
Tailgating at least at the Meadowlands does seem to add something to the problem. In Charlotte and Chicago anyway people go to a bar or restaurant or a paid party outside the stadium and walk to the game.In retrospect would have been way better if the new stadium was on 12th Avenue instead of NJ for a whole lot of reasons. But the big one is nobody would bother to drive. Every other new stadium and arena in the area figured public transportation instead of driving was critical, leave it to Woody and the Jints owners to cling to this suburban ugliness.
LOL, and people who think PSL/Ticket/Concession Prices are bad now would be charged at least twice as much if that stadium were ever built. When you talk about an 80,000 seat stadium in the tri-state metropolitan area, traffic and transportation are going to be issues, no matter what.
Bob Sutton could have helped that cause out a lot yesterday, lol.
Losing 2 pro bowlers on that side of the ball during the game has gotta hurt... Not to mention losing Jamaal Charles AND his backup on offense as well. Does definitely make protecting a lead harder. But, since we are on the subject of the Rex/Jets system, that type of collapse the Chiefs pulled last night was one that I thought only the Jets would ever be capable of.
I saw that. I don't know how you could have one Belichick disciple fail right in front of you, then want to go out and hire another failed Belichick disciple.
They've had 2 recently. Mangini and Crennel not long before him...
Wouldn't be shocked if true. Idzik probably wants Rex to find a DC he trusts to handle the playcalling and every day responsibilities of leading the defensive unit so Rex can pay more attention to the rest of the team and the Head Coaching responsibilities during games.
Like I said in another thread about how constant turnover isn't good for a team, the Browns firing Chudzinski after what amounts to less than a full calendar year is a joke, and one of the reasons the Browns occupy the basement of the AFC north on a regular basis. The Browns actually looked pretty good with Brian Hoyer at QB earlier in the year, but once he went down, they just couldn't get back on track. So now you have what essentially amounts to a wasted year for Cleveland, and honestly, what coach will want to go there If they set the precedent that you can be fired after one season? Who wants to settle their families down in Cleveland knowing they might get fired a season later?
There are plenty of assistant coaches and retread HC's that will take any HC job offered to them. The Browns hired Chud on the thought that he'd be able to develop an offense there. They were one of the worst offensive teams in the league, so he was fired. It's the life of a coach in the NFL, NBA, and NCAA - you never know where you will be next year, no matter what you have done in the past. No such thing as job security, especially in the coaching world...Hell, there were plenty of people speculating Coughlin would be give the Axe when the Giants were 0-6 and the guy won 2 SB's the last 6 years or so.
It sucks that the team behind us traded up ahead of us to take the guy we really wanted who is definitely amazing right now. Idzik got played.
If only the Jets could get a real GM maybe one day we'd get a draft right!
The problem wasnt "competition" the problem was not having continuity. continuous change of WR's, multiple coordinators with different philosophies, no coach/coordinator around that had a history of really developing a QB. That contributed the most to Sanchez lack of production.
The move that Jon and Woody did today by keeping Rex and ultimately Marty on board will bring that aspect together for Geno. Geno will have different receivers but the good thing about this is that he'll have the opportunity to have better receivers than a "shell of myself" Santonio Holmes as a #1 and just a terrible Stephen Hill at #2 who shouldnt even be in the league.
I have a feeling that we will pick up a relatively young WR in free agency with talent and draft a rookie, a couple guys who can grow with Geno. That my friend is something that Sanchez also never had.
And as for your "he won games with his legs", a team that is concerned about Geno using his legs more would look at that as a BIG step in the right direction. Especially if LB's will have to monitor/honor his running ability next year along with some actual talent at the WR position.
Say what you want, but until I see Geno have a bad year with talent at the offensive skillset positions then im quite satisfied with his rookie performance, 8 wins with his biggest threat/target being Jeremy Kerley.
I agree continuity is key. I disagree about competition. Geno should have to earn it in year 2 as well, and we should have a reliable back up in place should he have another meltdown like he did in games 10-14 this year. Not sure if that means bringing Sanchez back as that competition/back up or another veteran, but I think that presence will help Geno in that it will push him to get better in TC, and will keep him grounded during the season.
I think it is WAAAAY to early to be predicting anything next year... It would be hard enough to predict what our roster will look like 5 months from now. That being said, 8-8 this year, with a lot of injuries, and not a ton of talent to begin with, is pretty good and I feel a step in the right direction. Hopefully the young guys that contributed on this team (D Nelson, Allen, Davis, Powell, Winters, Cumberland) will all get full off-seasons with the franchise and an opportunity again next year to build on their growth and hopefully become part of our new core... Also key how we draft this year and what we do in FA.
It was important for him to show some progress these last two games, and he did. I think we will all be surprised how much better Geno will be next year with some maturity and help offensively.
I am not a big Geno fan...But I think to write him off after 1 year, especially considering it was his true rookie year, could be a bad decision. He has grown a ton this year - remember back in TC they were worried about him learning the footwork under center? With a full offseason ahead without having to worry about a coaching/system change, I think we should give him the opportunity to make strides... That being said, we should absolutely also look to bring in a reliable veteran or draft another QB in rds 3 or 4 to compete with him for the job and be a solid backup should he blow up again...
Idzik's plan is good…Now its all about execution…
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True. Wasn't necessarily blaming Idzik for signing him. More pointing out that the guys he brings in need to produce