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  1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_behind


    The "games behind" number is sometimes made in reference to a standard "winning percentage", although in this particular context, the word "behind" is replaced by "under" or "below". In making this calculation, however, the division by two is not done. For example, a team with a record of 19 wins and 20 losses is considered as being "one game under .500", in contrast to being "one-half game behind" a team with a ".500" record of 20 wins and 20 losses.

    Ok so we finished 4 games under .500 and two games below 8-8.  

  2. I never posed how far they would be behind 8-8 team. Yes, the 8-7 team (who would be one game under .500), would be behind an 8-8 by 1/2 game.

    False.  The math is still the same, regardless if you are talking standings in relation to a team or a specific record.  The Jets finished 4 games below 10-6 last year, and 2 games below 8-8. 

  3. If you're just talking about Scott or Greene, is it your honest belief that the Jets current starters could actually do any worse than them?  Scott kept his starting job because he was Ryan's BFF, but he was absolutely awful, while Davis was clearly drafted with the purpose of replacing him as the starter this year.  Greene was outplayed by Powell last year, plus the Jets have added another 3 new RBs on top of that.


    As far as the other guys mentioned, Revis played two games last year (and finished neither) and was replaced by Wilson as the starter, who has since been beaten out for that #2 job and moved back down the depth chart.  Thomas was actually cut at one point last year, lost lots of PT to McIntyre, who is still on the team, and in addition to moving Coples to OLB, they brought in new players at the position as well (e.g., Barnes).  Keller was knocked out for the year and replaced by Cumberland as the starter, who is still here, and now has Winslow at TE along with him.  OG is probably the bigger question, but Colon is fine if he can stay healthy (I know, big if) and the rest, well I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.  Once again, my point is not that any of this makes Jets particularly great, far from it, but more that most of the guys that left the team were either absolutely awful or hardly played last year, so as bad as they may be, I'm still not sure how they're supposedly any worse.  That is, unless Rex and Mornhinweg end up being worse play callers than Pettine and Sparano, but I think that's about as likely as Sanchez being NFL MVP.

    Again - I dont disagree entirely... But it's easy to see the other side of the coin as well.  Certainly hard to make an argument that the Jets have made any significant improvements.  Theyre basically replacing old slow sh*t with unprovens and backups.   We'll have to see how it works. 

  4. Lots of the guys on that list were hurt last year (Revis, Thomas, Keller and even Moore, although to a lesser extent), others absolutely sucked (Scott, Greene), and the last was Laron Landry.  I can see the tougher schedule being a problem but beyond that, I'm not sure what about the Jets' "losses" should be considered particularly detrimental unless Landry was responsible for 4 wins himself.  Mind you, I don't think the Jets will be particularly good this year, I just don't see what allegedly makes them so much worse.

    The people we replaced those "sucky" players with were either their backups last season or someone else's backups on a different team. 

  5. 1.  We went 6-10 without Revis last year.


    2.  Landry I'll give you.  I think Indy wayyy overpaid and he'll get hurt eventually but that WAS a big loss.  The rest were all expendable though.  No one misses Shonn Greene.  Keller, while he wasn't replaced adequately, was always overrated.  Bart Scott and Brandon Moore were basically done, and we replaced them with younger players (Damario Davis and Brian Winters) who have promise.  Landry was the only loss that was anything special.


    3.  The QB problem appears unfixed but it wasn't ignored either.  We're basing our low expectations on Geno essentially on one preseason game.


    4.  WR and RB were huge question marks last year too.  Last I checked Clyde Gates is still here, Santonio Holmes is either out or limited, and we're relying on Bilal Powell for at least a solid chunk of touches. 


    5.  OG is a concern but, again, no more than it was last year.  Slauson got no push and Moore was in his last season as a pro.  At least we attempted to ADDRESS it with a bunch of new faces. 


    6.  I'll take a young and unproven defense with some improved speed over what we had last year.  We couldn't stop the run with our slow LB corps.  Bryan Thomas, Bart Scott and Calvin Pace won't be lumbering around out there.  I like what Antwan Barnes brings to the table, love DeMario Davis, and of course our DL should be crazy good at the point of attack.  As always, I trust that Rex will figure it out on that side of the field.



    Not sure how 2-14 is even remotely possible for this team unless the team has a mutiny to try to get Rex fired.  I have a feeling they're going to do everything they can to save his job.

    I agree with you. I think this team can surprise people.  But I am also prepared for the possibility that we will just flat out suck.  Makeshift OL, RB, and WR corps with an average at best (and maybe inexperienced) QB, and a bunch of career backups all over the D... 

  6. Worst QB play of all-time in 2012:  6-10


    This year, according to pretty much everyone:  2-14.  




    Not to be a downer, but I think the logic is more like:

    Worst QB play ever in '12: 6-10

    QB Problem Unfixed, lose Revis, Landry, B Thomas, B Scott on D, lose B Moore D Keller and S Greene on Offense. 

    WR and RB are huge ? as are both OG positions. 

    Very good DL and a good proven cornerback.  Other than that - the rest of the defense is green and unproven. 


  7. Correlation is not causation.

    Of course not. At some point, you either have the talent, or you don't.  Sitting or starting won't change that.   The difference is one allows for some adjustment period to learn the system, get a feel for teammates, understand proper reads etc., while the other you have to go out and figure it out on the fly.  Again, not sure if there is a right or wrong answer...More depends on the QB, where he is coming from, and what his personality and makeup are... 

  8. Peyton Manning started right away. Threw 28 interceptions his first season. Eli Manning did not benefit from sitting behind Kurt Warner. He was pretty bad for the first two (three?) years of his career. He turned out okay.


    Are you saying that Eli is the QB he is today because he sat behind Warner for six freaking weeks? Give me a ******* break.

    Tom Brady started his first season, looked like a HOFer, and hasn't looked back since.   Luck, Wilson,and RGIII all had great rookie years, we'll see what happens in their careers.  Mark Sanchez was drafted 6th overall, was up and down his first year, and has sucked ever since.   


    I dont think there is a right or wrong answer as to whether or not it is best for a QB to sit out a year or not.  It's probably different depending on the QB and their background. 

  9. The point is you have no ******* idea that Aaron Rodgers would have not been the same QB if he started right away. None. But yet you brought him up as if you knew. You don't.

    Of course I dont know. And neither do you.  You are the one that asked me to name a QB who sat out for a year and got better from it.  I named one that sat his first two years and is now one of the best QBs in the league.   Do I know if sitting out benefited him? Of course not. But it certainly didn't hurt him and the Packers FO and Coaching Staff looks pretty damn good for it, too. 

  10. By the way, the fact that I'm defending a rookie Jet quarterback who has played three quarters of NFL football to other Jet fans is absolutely mind boggling to me. I've been a Jet fan for 31 years, if anyone is entitled to be negative, it's me. But I choose objectivity.

    We're all rooting for him Gastineau, just like we all root for Sanchez to miraculously turn it around.   We just dont think either of them are any good. 

  11. Aaron Rodgers would have been just as good at this point in his career if he started right away.


    As for Smith, he threw 97 touchdowns and 20 interceptions in three seasons as starter. 7, 7 and 6. For a guy throwing that volume, that is not alot. I don't see how you could possibly look at those numbers and go, "Yep, terrible decision maker." I'm not saying that says he's an awesome decision maker, but what prism are you looking through?

    And you know this about Rodgers how?  Or is it just that the counter to your statement would prove your entire point wrong?


    Geno's numbers in college were very good.   And if you watched him or followed him last season you would have noticed how horrible he fell off at the end of the season when things weren't going his way.   That is also when he faced the best defenses that constantly pressured him and forced him to make good, quick, decisions.   He was unable too.  

    And once he made his first mistake, he forced and forced and never was able to get into a rhythm.  Sound familiar? Thats because the same thing happened in his first NFL preseason start, too. 

  12. Oh, is that what it's called? I had no idea. I also didn't know teams practiced at the same speed and with as much intensity in practice that they do in game situations. It's like the same thing, right, this practice you speak of?


    Name a quarterback that was made better by sitting for a year. I'll wait.


    And where did you get the idea that Geno Smith has never been smart? You pulled that straight out of your ass.

    Aaron Rodgers sat two years before his first regular season start. 


    And the big knock on Geno coming out of college that was evident to everyone that ever paid attention to him at WVU was his poor decision making, especially under pressure, and his inability to overcome mistakes/adversity.   To me, that means he is not "smart" in the football sense. 

  13. A year, are you sure? I think he should sit for two years, at least. Sixteen games is too arbitrary a number. How is he going to learn the speed of the NFL by sitting on the sidelines? Maybe we can get a lifelong season ticket holder with great seats and a good arm to play QB for us this year. He/she must be incredibly used to the speed of the NFL by now.

    You know what teams do on Wed-Fri every week, right?  Its called practice...And its a great way to get your young backups reps against other NFLers that arent necessarily ready to bea  full time starter yet.   I dont think anyone is suggesting that Geno will get better by simply watching.  But he might be better off sitting to start, analyizing film, learning the offense, adjusting to the speed of the game in practice, sitting in on QB meetings, etc. without having to try to figure it out on the fly as a full time starting QB.


    Having said all that, I still have little to no faith in Geno developing into a franchise type QB.  He has never been that smart to begin with, and to succeed at a high level at the QB position, you need to be able to make good decisions quickly, under pressure...Something he has never been able to do.

  14. Aaron Rodgers fell to the bottom of the first round when he was considered to be a sure top 10 pick. Case in point, it doesn't mean anything. Geno's future is uncertain. To write him off after one game is beyond ridiculous. 

    I wrote him off before the draft.  Was so glad we passed on him in the 1st round.  I saw it in college, the kid is a horrible decision maker, crumbles under pressure, and cannot handle adversity.   What concerns me is not that he just had a bad game against the Giants, but that every knock on him coming out of college was exploited to the fullest extent in his first preseason start.   And that is when the defense did practically no gameplanning.  

  15. For reals.

    Any QB that gets rattled to the point of just being flat out dominated by Syracuse three straight years, is probably not the future.  There is a reason - despite those great numbers, that he fell to the 2nd round. In what experts say might possibly be the weakest QB draft class in the past decade, no less.  He has a good arm and he's athletic - but he's never played in an NFL system and he's known to be a nervous wreck under adversity.  

  16. I despise Revis.  It wouldn't bother me if every single pass was thrown to Revis' side of the field.  He can't keep up with either Hill or Gates on fly routes.  With some pick routes to scrape off Revis, I'd love to test his knee and see how sore it is and/or how it holds up.  It wouldn't bother me if he came to make a stop on a run play and somebody went after his knees on a block.   He's dead to me.

    Uhhhhhhh what?


     I mean.... Clyde Gates... Stephen Hill?  Seriously??? The guy has shut down Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, Chad Johnson... But he cant even KEEP UP with Clyde F'n Gates? 

  17. This has a been building all off season, you can see it in the posting since the season ended, last season was so bad, watching the worst offence I've ever seen. It set the tone for the following campaign.(2013)


    I don't think we will be a 1-15 team, I think we are between a 4-12 and 7-9. If we start Ok and if Geno, can iron out the some things we may be ending the year on a high waiting for 2014.

    In which barring Sanchez becoming Joe Montana, or the Jets making the play off's we will have a new H.C, and Q.B, come 2014. Personally I don't care I just want to see my Jets, and root for them.


    I have zero expectations this year, so like Max I'm looking positives I can see, when they start playing meaningful games.

    I have my doubts about firing Rex Ryan.  A new HC probably means a new OC - which means more inconsistency and change for Geno.  


    Also - the offense probably wont be a juggernaut of talent next year anyway. The majority of the young talent will still be primarily on the defensive side of the ball. Would hate to bring in a non-defensive coach that would marginalize the defensive talent to raise the offense from bad to below average.  

  18. Jets @ Lions


    Are you ready for some football?  Cant believe the season is finally upon us!

    Curious to see how we look.  A lot of young players that have a lot to prove this preseason in order to earn a spot on the roster or the starting rotation.  Other than the obvious QB competition between Sanchez and Geno, I am curious to see how the following respond to their first live test of the 2013 season:

    1) Bilal Powell - With Goodson MIA and Ivory yet to participate in practice, Powell will get a chance to prove he is capable of shouldering the load at RB.  Against a very formidable front 7, and a ? at QB, it will be interesting to see how Powell performs. 

    2) OL Play - A lot of competition for the G spots. Curious to see how Colon, Petermen, and Winters perform against a big powerful Dline. 

    3) Offensive scheming: Obviously would expect a very vanilla gameplan on both sides, but intrigued to see the MM system at work for the first time. 

    4) Demario Davis and Q Coples.   Havent heard a lot about either thus far in camp, and both are stepping into much larger (and in Coples case, different) roles this season.  Would love to get a read on what impact they will have on this retooled defense. 

    5) Sheldon Richardson and Dee Millber - From all reports they seem to have their spots in the starting rotation already.  Obviously first NFL game either of these guys are playing - excited to see the future of the Jets D!


    GO JETS!!

  19. Most torn ACL's/tendon's/muscles occur in non-contact situations believe it or not.   Revis tore up his knee last year trying to plant to defend a wr,  Hazelton tore his ACL running a route with no contact.  Cumberland tore his achilles trying to position himself for a catch in the endzone.  When Shaun Livingston(NBA) tour his ACL and MCL on the same play, he was going up for a dunk in a fast break. 


    I do not think reducing these types of injuries is an exact science.  Tearing an ACL or MCL has almost nothing to do with what kind of shape your in etc.   

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