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  1. Meh, Harbaugh gets way too much credit for Alex Smith. He's had very similar numbers the 2 season before him. His system clearly helped him take care of the ball better and this year complete more passes...but, Smith was never Sanchez or Henne awful. Cassel took an offense coming of a historic season and he did better in KC with less. Its rare a good OC makes that much difference on a horrible QB. It happens but its rare.

    IMO, Both Henne and Sanchez are talented enough to have average numbers and decent careers as starters given good coaching. Matt Moore too. Not that any of these guys are Franchise QBs in the sense that we think of them... But I think Sanchez can go play for a good offensive coach -and even given the same talent around him - is capable of putting up significantly better numbers than he did this year.

  2. Never loved Sanchez. Loved Herm but not because of Football. Never loved Tanny, maybe liked. <3 Rex 4eva.

    He's never had a QB?

    Yeah, when the hire first happened I was like, wtf? But started to warm up and actually like it. Shame on me.

    That is as much on the coach as anyone else. Matt Cassel looked good for a season playing under BB. Harbaugh made Alex Smith look awesome. Sean Payton resurrected Brees's career. Not saying anyone he had was on the elite level... But when your QB's (and he had multiple) are continuously the worst in the league - regardless of what team you coach - the system and your scheme are probably a large part of the problem.

  3. I remember when I thought Sparano having HC experience was a going to work the way Schotty Jr couldnt. The less is more approach, structure, discipline, smash mouth run game matched with a vertical attack, chunk yards, wildcat. lulz

    Really doesnt matter though who replaces him when you dont have a QB.

    I convinced myself of that as well... Problem is when you actually thought about it, the Dolphins offense under Sparano was historically bad. He came to the Jets, and as bad as we were under Schotty, our numbers are all significantly WORSE this year. I understand the notion that Rex wanted someone with actual experience running an NFL offense, and not another up-and-comer like Schotty Jr. The issue is that the guy he hired was a proven failure at running an NFL offense.

    If not for anything else, that hire by Tanny/Rex deserves to get that regime put on the hot seat.

  4. Posted by Darin Gantt on December 30, 2012, 10:23 AM EST



    The exact course Jets owner Woody Johnson will send his franchise in the coming days isn’t known yet.

    But one thing has become clear, there will be coaching changes.

    ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that offensive coordinator Tony Sparano won’t be back next year, which isn’t much of a surprise to anyone.

    The Jets are 30th in the league in offense, with their alleged attempts to use Tim Tebow a fantastic flop.

    But Sparano might not be the extent of the changes.

    Special teams coach Mike Westhoff is retiring and defensive coordinator Mike Pettine’s contract is up, setting the stage for significant changes regardless what Johnson decides to do with head coach Rex Ryan or general manager Mike Tannenbaum.


    Schefter seems to think that Woody is leaning towards keeping Tanny aboard, because he is not ready to part with Rex and doesn't like the idea of bringing in a new GM that doesn't have full freedom to pick his HC.

    Whatever happens, should make for an interesting week.

  5. First, Sanchez had one OC for his first three years.

    Second, Luck and RGIII don't appear to suck enough to get multiple OCs fired.

    Id also like to point out that both Luck and RGIII play for coaches that are competent on the offensive side of the ball, and understand the importance of letting QBs throw the ball and take chances, even on 1st down early in games!! They do not view their Franchise QBs as people that will avoid turnovers, but let them go out and be difference makers!! They also will not be asking their franchise QBs to develop chemistry with two or three new stopgap, troubled, receivers every other year, or play behind an OL that they let deteriorate.

    Novel concepts, i know.

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  6. yes seriously......3 new coaches in 36 months is a terrible look IMO

    Nevermind the rotating door we've had at all the WR positions since Sanchez got here and all of the shuffling done along the OL as well (aside from C, RG, and LT). Not saying Sanchez ever had it in him to be Rodgers or Brady no matter our GM or coach, but to say that the complete mismanagement and terrible coaching that has surrounded Sanchez and his offense the past three years has nothing to do with his worsening performance would also be a bit naive.

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  7. This is the likeliest probability, although I hope Tannenbaum is removed completely.

    Problem is, it's going to be tough to attract candidates for the OC and GM jobs here. While Rex's detractors might point to Rex being the problem, I think the real issue in 2013 is the complete lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball, and the tight cap space with which to operate to improve it.

    Woody's probably either gonna have to overpay, or bring in lesser people.

    Not sure you can get any "lesser" than Sparano. He has far outdone Schotty in making this offense into a complete laughing stock. At least under schotty we weren't flagged for delay of games and too many men in the huddle every game. Don't get me wrong, Schotty sucked too, but Sparano came in and has made him look like an offensive genius.

    As far as talent goes, I still think our OL is above average. Our WR corps, with a healthy Holmes, Hill, and Kerley, is actually not bad either. Greene is likely a goner, but I like what I saw from Powell and McKnight this year.

    Obviously, the QB situation needs to be figured out. Tebow is going to be traded to Jacksonville for probably a 5th or 6th rd pick at this point... Sanchez is likely going to be back next year. We either need to find a vet that the CS actually would trust in a game situation to come in here and compete with Sanchez, or they need to spend a 1st or 2nd day pick on a QB that they think would put some heat on Sanchez, and someone they think they'll be able to develop into a full time starter for 2014, when Sanchez will either be cut or traded.

    Given we can get the QB situation somewhat under control, and see evidence of a plan, the OC job here is not all that unattractive. Granted, we're not the Patriots or the Packers, but a good offensive coach that feels he has something to prove might be willing to come here and see what he can do.

  8. Most likely. Considering Terry Bradway is still on the payroll this is about a lock. We will still suck drafting players.

    Wouldn't be shocked if Bradway was canned. Especially if Tanny is reassigned/demoted to a position of being a number cruncher/cap advisor, I would imagine a new GM from outside in charge of personnel decisions would bring in his own guys to run scouting etc.

  9. He ran the shotgun/spread offense mostly with Syracuse the past two years. Don't see him as a great fit in the Jets scheme. Pretty good when the offense is spread out and he is throwing quick hitters. Not sure I would trust him to be threading the needle and making great decisions under pressure which is what a QB needs to be able to do in the Jets 2 WR G&P Scheme....

  10. ****ing coward shot himself. what a ****ing evil piece of scum. how could anyone shoot kindergarten children?

    As a general rule mass murderers are deeply depressed individuals who have had a lifetime worth of striving for power and/or recognition but always getting laughed at. Parental neglect/abuse of some sort is often present as well. They are almost always suicidal, and view the mass murders they commit as some sort of martyrdom so that they will be noticed, and not laughed at, when they remove themselves from earth. The one thing that separates mass murderers from serial killers, is that mass murderers never even think about an escape plan or any sort of forensic counter-measures.

    So, the short version is that these people are typically depressed, paranoid, individuals who's problems are untreated (and sometimes unnoticed) for a long period of time. They then suffer some sort of emotional/mental traumatic event, which leads to a psychotic break.

    An even shorter, simpler version is that he was, indeed, a sick ****.

  11. I agree, and also think guys like Newton, Wilson, Kapernick, and RGIII are going to be the new wave of sought after QB's, there are only a handful of truely elite traditional QB's, but guys like these 4 can offset that with the D not being able to read, and react as quick because of the multiple ways they can beat you, and they also don't have to worry about reading the entire defense correctly, because their unique skill takes the D out of their positioning, and this could greatly increase the number of QB's considered elite in the NFL.

    The hard part thou for the NFL is determining which QB's have the rare multi skill set of a Newton, Wilson, RGIII, and Cappy, and the one's who are lacking certain traits to run these type of offenses effectively like T Tebow, J Webb, and the jury is probably still out on T Pryor, but I gotta assume he is not properly equipped at least as of yet. Bill Belicheck proved this point IMO last year in the playoff game against Tebow, he was not scared of him being able to fire a ball into a WR, so he just lined up his players in a specific zone that always kept Tebow in front of his defensive players, and also knowing any throw he made would take to long, and his players would have a really good chance at breaking it up, or intercepting it, where as last night Kappy's arm strength did/can negate that type of defensive scheme, just like the other 3 guys I named here can.

    You also need to find an offensive HC/O-Coordinator who knows how to design these type of offenses around these types of QB's, and know how to call the game properly using these type of QB's, this is just as important as finding the player who has all the skill sets for these type of systems.

    Also 1 more thing, this is fairly new to the NFL, and the jury is still out on whether the physical toll that this type of QB will endure will be able to sustain multiple NFL seasons, and this would have to be factored into the decision by front offices if they decide to go this route, is it worth giving the franchise the reigns, and big $$$$$$ to this type of QB if he can't stay on the field for a full season, or his effectiveness is only going to be short lived because the physical abuse is to much for someone at that position to sustain a long succesful NFL career.

    This. And its another example of the weird trend in football - you see it in college first - then it becomes part of the NFL. The spread offense... The athletic QB's... The Wildcat and "Pistol" formations... All have been prevalent in the NCAA for years.

  12. I'm not generally big on conspiracy theories. I consider myself to be pretty level headed.

    I also think there's some validity to the idea that Mangini played a role in the Jets drafts when he was here, and did a decent job. A guy like that, I'd consider giving a job in te front office. Sure, maybe you don't hand him the GM job right off the bat, but some sort of assistant job? I think that's very reasonable. Especially if you think he had a hand in pushing for Revis and Mangold.

    The fact that he hasn't gotten any bites suggests to me that he's been black-balled. It happens. Either it's because he's a rat, or he ratted out Belichick and no one wants to cross him.

    Spygate was a huge, unprecedented deal. I think it blew up in Mangini's face.

    The fact that he got a job with the Browns the year after the Jets fired him, and 2 years after Spygate, kind of debunks your theory though. The fact that he was more of a failure in CLE then he was in NY is why he is now working at ESPN. And my guess is he hasn't really been seeking out jobs as a college scout. Think he's pretty comfortable with his role at ESPN.

  13. I tend to agree with those who think Mangini might have some talent finding talent. I wouldn't hire him to coach, but in a front office he could be useful.

    Except that he's a tattle-tale.

    Nobody likes a tattle-tale.

    Because Owners are under pressure to hire GM's who have experience working in front offices, have relationships with agents, and have some sort of a track record of success.

    They are not going to be so quick to hire an ex coach who players publicly hated playing for that managed a grand total of 2 winning seasons in his 5 or 6 in the league.

  14. 48, yes.

    If you don't think every team in the league is breaking the rules, maybe you're the one not living in the real world.

    No one's hiring Mangini. Ask yourself why.

    Because he's a sh*t coach and a stubborn hard-ass that refuses to adjust and players hate playing for?

    Yeah, spygate and stuff sounds a lot cooler. I agree.

  15. We are 3-5, and this team is not going to the playoffs with Sanchez at QB.

    I liked 3-4 a lot better. Can we just not count one of those losses?

    I don't think we are going to the playoffs regardless of who is our QB. But I do think Sanchez gives us a slightly better chance to get there than either Mccelroy or Tebow.

  16. Rex needs to come out and name another QB the starter before it's too late. We need to see how good the rest of our players really are and our coordinator if nothing else. Its a bye week and It's time, make the change Rex.

    We are 3-4, and still in the playoff hunt... Rex will continue to go with what he thinks will give his team the best chance to win.

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