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  1. This one may be the world's champion of getting things 100% backwards....

     

     

    Absurd. My pats fan colleagues are all saying that Kraft and Brady are innocent but that Goodell wants to make a case against the pats. So, Kraft is not going to appeal in the hopes that it lessens Brady's suspension.

     

    WHAT!?

     

    1) Goodell isn't making a case. He's handing out punishments based on other people's cases.

    2) Other people couldn't make cases without there being cases to be made.

    3*) If Kraft and Brady were truly innocent, they wouldn't have to go through back channels to lessen the suspension. They'd go full steam ahead with the appeal, win the appeal, have all punishment dropped, their name cleared, and Kraft would finally get that apology he's still awaiting.

    4) If Kraft and Goodell did come to some agreement in a dark alleyway, that's even more ****ed up than the Pats cheating in the first place.

     

    Long story short, I can't believe Patriots fans are allowed to walk around like normal people without parental/societal supervision. 

     

     

     

    * ultimately, #3 is the only point which should matter at all.

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  2. Really? Not so sure about that. 

     

    The potential was absolutely there. His weak arm was literally his sole deficiency and proved to be his undoing in the playoffs when opposing defenses would jam receivers and play short to intermediary middle zones all day knowing that Penny wouldn't test them deep and didn't have enough on his throws to test them outside.

     

    Frankly, I just don't understand the point you're trying to make by calling Tannehill "a Pennington with a stronger arm". That's strong praise, and as much as I was done with Penny by '05, I don't know that Tannehill deserves it yet. 

  3. So you are saying being an ocassional starter and platooning would not have an affect?  Okay.

     

    He had as many touches in 2 years in Cincy as he had in four years in Foxboro.  He was exposed.

     

    Again:

     

    Now the fumbles on those touches as according to the ESPN.com website (screencap attached):

    NE: 536 touches from scrimmage, 0 fumbles, 0 fumbles lost

    Cin: 524 touches from scrimmage, 5 fumbles, 4 fumbles lost

     

    So, explain to me how 524 (touches in Cincy) is equal to 536 (touches in NE). Put another way: are 524 apples = to 536 apples? Is this the same type of math that led you to claim that BJGE also had more starts in Cincy than he did in NE?

     

    Or, explain to me how having less of a sample size is more indicative of a trend than more of a sample size; i.e., how do you figure that 12 less touches and two less years of data (in cincy) can "expose" someone who had shown no such trends or traits in more touches over a larger time period (in NE).

     

    I'm not even asking for an explanation of both of your claims. Just go ahead and explain either of your two claims to me. I triple dog dare ya, dawg.

  4. If I were trying to make the point palatable I could have noted at any time that I'm not a patriots fan and that I think it's pretty obvious that they're guilty as charged and then some, but where's the fun in that?

    Dictated but not read.

     

    Where exactly, in all of your posts in this thread, would it seem obvious to anyone that you think they're guilty as charged and then some? I'm so curious.

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  5. Look at those numbers a little better.  In 2 years in Cincy, he had more starts and almost as many carries and catches as 4 years in New England.  Maybe he was exposeda little.

     

    What is inexact about Tate having 11 fumbles and how that might throw off the numbers?

     

    Uhh, more starts in Cincy than in NE? Nope. But lets say he did...that has no bearing whatsoever in this discussion.

     

    His total touches from scrimmage in NE: 536

    His total touches from scrimmage in Cin: 524

     

    Those are the only things that matter in this discussion. Whether it took him 2 years or 10 years to compile those touches, those are the totals for the two teams as taken directly from the ESPN.com website (screencap attached). That is statistically almost a perfect comparison....almost 6.5x the proper sample size which means it leaves very little room for randomness, and it very evenly split. 

     

    Now the fumbles on those touches as according to the ESPN.com website (screencap attached):

    NE: 536 touches from scrimmage, 0 fumbles, 0 fumbles lost

    Cin: 524 touches from scrimmage, 5 fumbles, 4 fumbles lost

     

    So actually, there was no form of BJGE being more exposed in Cincy. If anything, he had more chances to fumble in NE...and well, the raw data above kinda tells the story for me.

     

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    I rest my case.

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  6. I still don't understand why Pats fans continue to bring up Sharp or his data or his flawed analysis. Truly mind-boggling. The data which I've listed and you quoted was from NFL.com. They were observations; not treated or analysed numbers, and not "inexact data" taken from Sharp's website. In fact, I have never even visited Sharp's site.

     

    Sharp saying his numbers are based on "inexact" data.  http://regressing.deadspin.com/why-those-statistics-about-the-patriots-fumbles-are-mos-1681805710

     

    There are a few links off of this article that further debunks his analysis.

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  7. Okay. I hereby address the data. That is some data right there. Now what? Your assertion of deflating 'statistically appearing' to have started at some ascertainable time (lol no) or your sample size (lol tiny)?

     

    Lol omgz took you 5 embarrazzing posts to address clear raw data layed out n the 1th post. you lose you suck so hard at wordz and numberzlol. and to disprove any signs of trends, you put in parenthesis "lol no". Eggseelent rebuttal. lolol kthxbye lol!!!!

     

    On a serious note, do you understand what sample size is? 4-7 years of (at minimum) 50 touches as a RB is not a "tiny" sample size. In fact, statistically, anything over 30 is considered a proper sample size, so even only 1 season would do.

     

    Teech me moar about numberz plzzzzzz 

  8. So you don't do words either. The funds must really be scrambling for back office goofballs these days.

     

    Oh, if only. You'd finally have a job in that case.

     

    Speaking of words: what part of Special Teams is difficult for you to understand?

     

    Not once have I referenced that flawed report which you keep referencing, nor have I brought up the ancillary, non-RB players that your bible report brings up. Not once. You continue to, even after I've agreed that it's flawed, because it's the only thing you have to lean on. 

     

    Alternatively, not once have you addressed the raw data that I've listed (after taking some from daballhawk) directly from NFL.com.

     

    I'll post it again:

     

    BenJarvus Green-Ellis

    0 Fumbles in 4 years (Pats)

    5 Fumbles in 2 years (Bengals)

    Danny Woodhead

    2 Fumbles in 3 years (Pats)

    2 Fumbles in 1 year (Chargers)

    Shane Vereen

    1 Fumble in 4 years

    Brandon Bolden

    0 Fumbles in 3 years

    Kevin Faulk

    0 fumbles since '07 with Pats

    21 fumbles before '07 with Pats

    Corey Dillon

    Left Patriots right before the '07 season

    8 fumbles in three years preceding the season in question

     

    Feel free to ignore, deflect, or otherwise try to make yourself feel better. Also, I'm still waiting on your grand "CV" since you understand numbers so much better than the rest of us. 

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  9. If you can't defend your ideas on merit, do feel free to qualify yourself, but the number that best expresses the amount of time I'm inclined to spend swapping CVs with the Jets fan equivalent of an ideal gas law troll is real easy to understand: 0.

     

    http://regressing.deadspin.com/why-those-statistics-about-the-patriots-fumbles-are-mos-1681805710

     

    Spoiler: yep, the data's flawed too.

     

     

    Raw data taken from observation is flawed? So the amount of times you take a sh*t in a day as observed by you is also a flawed statistic? 

     

    If you're claiming that the numbers of fumbles pre and post '07 taken as observations directly from NFL.com are flawed, then how do you measure anything? That would mean that all of your golden boy's passing yards, tds, games played, games started, etc are all flawed.

     

    What you're trying to say is that you don't want to admit that fundamental difference because it discredits your entire pats legacy. You are leaning on a report that claims that the validity of the quantitative analysis performed on the raw data is flawed. No one has argued that the statistical analysis is flawed. The observations of the amount of fumbles however are raw data. They are incontrovertible. They are not analysed or treated numbers. They are in fact, facts. But I'm sure you know that already. 

     

    It's delicious what's happened to pats fans- after the euphoric high of finally winning a super bowl after spygate to quiet all the naysayers 3 months ago, you're now reduced to blindly discrediting raw observations.

     

    Also, I haven't qualified myself. The various institutions of my past and the work that I do have done that for me. If you weren't so ashamed of being wrong, you could take a gander at all of it by PMing me your linkedin profile (I'd never grant a stranger my Curriculum Vitae), and I'll return the favor. 

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  10. Sorry, it took me awhile to sift through all the JN propaganda.

     

    The Sharp report is flawed.  Even Sharp admits it is flawed.

     

    When you come with a more sound theory, let me know. 

     

     

    The Sharp statistical analysis was flawed. The raw data he used was derived directly from NFL.com.

     

    Are you saying that the following data is flawed? Or are you choosing to ignore it based on the statistical analysis performed on the data being flawed because it goes against your team?

     

    BenJarvus Green-Ellis

    0 Fumbles in 4 years (Pats)

    5 Fumbles in 2 years (Bengals)

    Danny Woodhead

    2 Fumbles in 3 years (Pats)

    2 Fumbles in 1 year (Chargers)

    Shane Vereen

    1 Fumble in 4 years

    Brandon Bolden

    0 Fumbles in 3 years

    Kevin Faulk

    0 fumbles since '07 with Pats

    21 fumbles before '07 with Pats

    Corey Dillon

    Left Patriots right before the '07 season

    8 fumbles in three years preceding the season in question

     

    The fact is, before '07- the year in which the true deflating is statistically appearing to have started, people on the Pats fumbled just like every other team. Since then? Not so much. 

     

    Again, this is all raw data from NFL.com, not Sharp's report.

     

     

    It's not flawed. It's a train wreck. He throws out a bunch of numbers, says they prove something that they don't, and people who don't understand numbers believe it. It's the same junk you guys are doing trying to discredit the Wells report.

     

    Not saying the numbers prove something, just saying that there's certainly something to infer and look deeply into.

     

    Also, trust me when I tell you that your bolded part is untrue. I guarantee I know and understand numbers better than you. If you think that's internet bravado, you can PM me your linkedin profile, and I'll PM you mine. 

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  11. Wells:  I want the truth!

     

    Brady: You can’t handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has balls. And those balls have to be guarded by men with ball bags. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Roger Goodell? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for the Colts and you curse the Patriots. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that the ball deflation, while tragic, probably wins games. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins games. You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties you want me in that huddle. You need me in that huddle. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said ‘thank you’ and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a ball and throw it. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to! 

     

    Wells: Did you order the deflation?:

     

    Brady:  I did the job that....

     

    Wells: Did you order the deflation!?

     

    Brady:  You're god damn right I did!

     

     

    Hahaha....Hey! Great minds, and all that....I posted this today around noon in a different thread:

     

     

    I would love it if it got to a point where Goodell was so upset with Kraft and the Pats that he has a Jack Nicholson "A Few Good Men" moment and spills all the beans from SpyGate up till now. Lets everything out of the bag just as a final **** you to the Pats for so blatantly putting the NFL in the situation where they have to defend the cheatriots over and over again even after Goodell helped them out the first time by completely destroying the spygate evidence.

     

    That would be ideal.

     
  12. I don't. 

     

    I don't think Tom Brady needs to ask men to sneak into rooms and secretly deflate footballs for a game against a team he routinely punished in blow out victories.

     

    Now since we're being honest…

     

    Do you think under inflated footballs for 2 quarters of the AFC Championship had anything to do with why the Patriots thrashed the Colts…. again?

     

    No, and I never did. I don't think anyone in the entire sporting universe thinks that deflated balls (not underinflated...they were in fact inflated to the proper psi according to the report, and then came back well below the proper psi- thusly, deflated, not underinflated) are the reason the colts thrashed the colts. 

     

    I do however wonder how much the deflated balls helped them against the Ravens game when they were down 14 at two different points in the game.

     

    I also wonder how much it helps those running backs hold on to the ball and run with greater power and confidence knowing they have a tighter grip on the ball.

     

    I also wonder how long the deflating of balls has been going on.

  13. "Forget the evidence and legal angles and just indulge in our fantasies for a minute."

     

    No, I don't. Brady specifically tells his equipment managers that he wants the balls at a certain PSI range.

     

    What fantasy am I asking you to indulge in? It's a simple question: Do you truly believe that Tom Brady had nothing to do with deflategate?

     

    Go ahead and answer that without deflecting or deterring. I triple dog dare you.

  14. So let me get this straight.

     

    The Wells Report says that Tom Brady told the equipment managers that he WANTS the balls at 12.5 PSI, which is legal, and this is proof that Tom is a cheater? Just laughable.

     

    Walt Anderson told Wells that "to his best recollection" he used the gauge which completely exonerates the Patriots, putting the halftime PSI numbers in line with the Ideal Gas Law, meaning NO TAMPERING EVEN TOOK PLACE, and that the PSI recordings were in completely on par with atmospheric conditions from the game.

     

    Wells then chose to believe that Walt Anderson was WRONG about which gauge he used, despite not being there, and insisted he used the other one which wouldn't be in line with the Ideal Gas Law, making tampering a possibility.

     

    So much for your evidence.

     

     

    Quick question. Forget the evidence angle, the legal angles, and anything that has to do with the report. Forget the suspension and punishments, forget whether it's severe or not; forget whether everyone does it or not. 

     

    Point blank: Do you think Brady played some role in deflategate?

  15. Several hours before the AFC Championship Game, Jim McNally, the Patriots

    employee responsible for delivering the Patriots game balls to the game officials

    for pre-game inspection, brought the balls into the Officials Locker Room at

    Gillette Stadium. At or around that time, McNally told the referee, Walt

    Anderson, that Tom Brady, the Patriots quarterback, wanted the game balls

    inflated at 12.5 psi.

     

    During the pre-game inspection, Anderson determined that all but two of the

    Patriots game balls delivered by McNally were properly inflated. Most of them

    measured 12.5 psi. Two tested below 12.5 psi and Anderson directed another

    game official to further inflate those two game balls, which Anderson then

    adjusted to 12.5 psi using a pressure gauge.

     

     When Anderson and other members of the officiating crew were preparing to

    leave the Officials Locker Room to head to the field for the start of the game, the

    game balls could not be located.

     

    Based on videotape evidence and witness interviews, it has been determined that

    McNally removed the game balls from the Officials Locker Room at

    approximately 6:30 p.m. After leaving the Officials Locker Room carrying two

    large bags of game balls (Patriots balls and Colts balls), McNally turned left and

    then turned left again to walk down a corridor referred to by Patriots personnel as

    the “center tunnel” heading to the playing field. At the end of the center tunnel on

    the left-hand side, approximately three feet from the doors that lead to the playing

    field, is a bathroom. McNally entered that bathroom with the game balls, locked

    the door, and remained in the bathroom with the game balls for approximately one

    minute and forty seconds. He then left the bathroom and took the bags of game

    balls to the field.

     

    In a number of those text messages, McNally and Jastremski

    discussed the air pressure of Patriots game balls, Tom Brady‟s unhappiness with

    the inflation level of Patriots game balls, Jastremski‟s plan to provide McNally

    with a “needle” for use by McNally, and McNally‟s requests for “cash” and

    sneakers together with the “needle” to be provided by Jastremski.

     

    Each official used a separate air pressure gauge provided by

    referee Anderson that Anderson had brought with him to the game, one of which

    also had been used by Anderson for his pre-game inspection. Each of the eleven

    Patriots balls tested at halftime measured below the minimum 12.5 psi level

    established by the Playing Rules on both gauges. Each of the four Colts balls

    tested measured within the permissible 12.5 to 13.5 psi range on at least one of

    the gauges.

     

    Following the game, before he left the stadium, McNally was interviewed by

    members of NFL Security. During that interview, McNally did not mention that

    he had taken the game balls into the bathroom. Instead, he stated that he walked

    directly to the field and that nothing unusual occurred during the walk from the

    locker room to the field. 

     

    Here's your evidence guy.

     

    Why would McNally need a "needle"?

    Why would McNally take the balls without the ref's permission?

    Why would McNally take the balls into the bathroom?

    Why would McNally lie about taking the balls into the bathroom?

     

    The only explanation is to lower the pressure in the balls, and if you think he did it on his own then you're even dumber than I thought.

  16. I've been around some great and awful trolls both here and JI since 2005...TX, Shasta, Raider, BB, Fox, and many other ones over the years that I can hardly remember. 

     

    Never have I found one so comprehensively unreadable as this wickedawesome dude. His posts are as awful and dripping of masshole as his JN handle. 

     

    Congrats man, you deserve...well, something. 

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  17. I would love it if it got to a point where Goodell was so upset with Kraft and the Pats that he has a Jack Nicholson "A Few Good Men" moment and spills all the beans from SpyGate up till now. Lets everything out of the bag just as a final **** you to the Pats for so blatantly putting the NFL in the situation where they have to defend the cheatriots over and over again even after Goodell helped them out the first time by completely destroying the spygate evidence.

     

    That would be ideal.

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  18.  7th Game  playoff hockey- nothing more exciting in all of sports- not good for my blood pressure though

     

    Although I'm not the biggest hockey fan in the world, I have to admit that anytime there's a game 7 in the NHL, it's must see TV for me. Especially when it involves my blueshirts. LGR!

  19. See that is not a correct analogy. Try again.

     

    Mick is the same guy who legit believed (and argued) that Leonard would be the number 1 overall pick ahead of Jameis and Marcus. 

     

    I even offered him a few outs by asking him if he's confusing who he thinks will be the #1 pick with who is the best player in the draft, but nope. He actually believed a DE would go before a QB to a desperate QB needy team.

     

    He's also had a history of siding with the Patriots for years dating back to JetsInsider. It's what he does. For those reasons and more, I wouldn't worry too much about his opinions.

     

    For my money, I'd be A-OK with the Brady and Belly being banished for life. It wouldn't and shouldn't happen...I think Belly gets off clean and Brady gets a 4 game ban, and I think it's reasonable to expect that. But unlike Mick, I wouldn't cry for them if they were gone for life. 

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  20. No, he's a terrible NFL football player.

    I'm sure he would be a great fit for the Jets.

     

    No, the Jets only take the Pats top defensive backs. And we do it with a handshake agreement in a dark alleyway to completely **** with Kraft. And we're not even penalized any draft picks for it. 

     

    Face it, we're just better than you at everything except cheating. You guys have that all wrapped up.

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