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  1. 3 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

    Produce it?

    He threw 5 passes or so in a pre-season --- are you really trying to compare that to a 79 yard pass to the 1 yard line in a regular season division game?


    Who has the agenda?

    I'm not doing homework for something you know is true. I'm simply calling you on your bs. If you want to take passes away, don't complain when someone else does it. If you want to only discuss facts as they've occurred, keep that same energy even when it doesn't fit your agenda. I don't actually care either way.

    I definitely have an agenda: to discuss the Jets as they are - whether good or bad. I'm not changing anything to fit a specific narrative. Your agenda for 2 years has been to spin everything in favor of Zach. For example:

    2 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

    Sometimes I wonder if some of you actually watch the NFL.....I really do.

    QB's don't have 4 monster quarters in 90% of games - they're up and down through games (otherwise you would see a lot of 500 yard games). Zach played solid football against Pittsburg and delivered big time when it mattered most.  That's what good QB's do.  That's how most of them win games.

    NY Jets offense puts up 40 point against Miami - and it's eh! he wasn't good.  Zach did what was necessary to win the game, played within the system and took what was there...look at all the RPO's they ran.  

    Give me a break.  The growth Zach has shown between the first quarter of last year and the first 2 games this year is truly impressive.  If you don't see that I honestly and respectfully don't think we should argue it anymore.


    1) Didn't address anything else I posted but cut out the part that allowed you to type what you wanted.

    2) No one's asking for 4 monster quarters. And the issue here is that Zach is not yet a historically good NFL QB. He is still on trial. So he doesn't get the benefit of a bad 3 quarters that you might allocate to a Kirk Cousins type of good QB, and he certainly doesn't get any of the benefits of doubt that any of the better-than-good, great, or elite QBs get. He needs to show far more than what he has over his career in order to get those.

    3) Yes, if you want to take a concentrated approach and look at Zach in a vacuum, his growth has been impressive on a linear scale. However, when you look at him relative to other young QBs who you seem to want to group him with, you'll see that he's moving along at a snails pace. Look at the young FQBs over the last 5 years, and pick out just 1 of Zach's games where he looked as good as any of the others. Just one. 

    4) I'd like you to address the part about his ball placement issues on short and swing passes. Because Garrett and Breece converted bad throws into points at a very critical part of the game which otherwise would have fallen incomplete and probably led to a loss if we were relying strictly on the ball being delivered accurately. 

  2. On 10/10/2022 at 2:38 PM, FidelioJet said:


    You don't take away plays in stats-just silly.  QB's have big plays - that's how the numbers work..

    Funny how that works. There are posts on this forum from a few months ago where you were taking plays away from Zach's preseason game. So I guess it's really about whether it fits the narrative?

    For the record, I'm seeing progress, but it's slow. The 4Q against the Steelers was great. The first 3Q were not. This past Sunday was absolutely nothing to write home about. He managed the game, made the short throws to open receivers, and didn't have any TOs, so I'll call it progress - but I'm still having a hard time seeing a FQB back there. And even in the big win, there were two critical plays in Sundays game were we were able to convert by back to back great adjustments by Garrett and Breece, but the ball placement was just awful by Zach. Those would have been drive stallers, and at that point in the game, probably would have resulted in a loss.

    I'm hoping this week against Rodgers, he shows it. I want be a fanboy who agrees with your takes on Zach. I really do. It would be the best thing for all of us. 

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  3. I know I’ll get killed for this, but I’m happy with the Jets today so it’s a good day for constructive criticism - I really hope Zach can fix his ball placement issues. On the 3rd down to Garrett as well as Breece’s big play, the throws could have been better. If it weren’t for the two best players on the team making good adjustments, those are drive stallers.

    ok, kill me.

    Also - LETS F’NG GO ON THAT FUMBLE!! Really would have loved to see big Q score there 😆 

  4. 6 hours ago, jgb said:

    Anyone gleeful about the dissolution of a marriage when there are kids involved because one of the parties played for a different sports ball team than you like needs to reassess their outlook on life.

    I’ve reassessed. My final verdict: **** tom brady. Maybe the cheating scumbag should have thought about his kids before ******* up his marriage for to play another year of sports. Or maybe he should have thought about his first kid before he dumped his baby’s mother.

    If you think fans’ feelings on a messageboard are the real issues here, you need to reassess your outlook on life. Or stop virtue signaling on behalf of truly despicable human beings like tom brady. 

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  5. On 10/6/2022 at 12:48 PM, JiFapono said:

    First off, JT is by far the best at this.  I dont think anyone even comes close to his break downs.  Something that really stood out as I was watching this was that they were all from shotgun.  So I looked at his splits, he only took 5 snaps from under center vs. the Steelers.  Just seems to be you're really limiting the playbook and hurting the run game by giving so few looks from under center.

    Not giving an opinion either way on this because I really haven’t looked at any data yet, but I seem to recall Peyton playing almost exclusive from the gun during his time in Denver.

    I believe RG3 also played the majority of his rookie year out from under center. 

    Now, I’m certainly not comparing Zach to a GOAT or to one of the best rookies ever, but it does sort of appease the worries that an offense can’t be potent on the ground if a QB doesn’t play under center.

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  6. 4 minutes ago, batman10023 said:

    crazy to think we could have 2 rookie of the year players

    Even crazier to think that we could have 3! By the end of the season, I wouldn't be surprised if Breece is up there with Garrett for OROY consideration. I put money on him for OROY at the beginning of the year. 

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  7. 2 hours ago, JiFapono said:

    Wouldnt be surprised to learn in this book that HGH wasnt the only thing getting pumped up Brady bung hole.  There is a reason he cant get away from that locker room life.  He keeps getting older, they stay the same age and I really cant blame him, so many hotties in the league. 


    You're the spike to my bump and set.

  8. Vegan wings are the way to go. 

    3 hours ago, Warfish said:

    Nope, with you 100%.

    Boneless Tenders/Wings all the way.  All the flavor, more of the crispy breading, all of the nooks for sauce.  No hassle.  I don't see a downside.

    Well, they get cold faster, that's a downside I suppose.


    3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

    Wings are absurd. You’re a grown man sitting there with your face and hands covered in red sauce, dropping food waste into a disgusting cardboard bowl on a table that’s also covered in your sauce. Just admit that you want to be four years old again eating McNuggets while your mom wipes the ketchup off your face, you arrested development-ass creep. 

    I'm with this. Vegan wings are class. As Fist said, all of the flavor, more of the crispy breading, all of the nooks for sauce. Comes to you on an actual plate with a fork. Stab it and dunk it in chunky bleu cheese dressing to avoid the neanderthal mess.  

  9. 4 minutes ago, doitny said:

    i just popped in to see how many of you are wishing Daboll was our HC . last time you did that to Rhule and look how he is turning out.

    go ahead give Daboll the kiss of death.

    Is this an endorsement of Saleh?

    Daboll has a 2 game win streak in his first two weeks with the Giants. After inheriting a team that Gettlemen screwed up royally.

    Saleh hasn't accomplished that in 20 games with a team that is routinely being talked about as talented and much upgraded.

    I'm not getting out the pitchforks for Saleh just yet, but I am starting to walk towards the closet. 

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  10. Pro Bowl weekend should be a lot of fun for true NFL fans. It should be the NFL's nod to us - after all the years of changing the game and marketing to lure any and every dollar they can get their hands on, they should make the pro bowl about the fans of the game.

    We have some of the best players of the league year all in one place. Lets settle some scores. Which QB throws the hardest? Which RB runs the fastest? Which WR runs the best routes? Which DE/OLB has the quickest time to the QB? Which CB has the best hands? Which DT/NT can hold up against the most blockers? Which ILB is the best tackler? etc.

    There are so many things the league could do without sacrificing player safety to make this a really fun weekend. They have boatloads of money to throw around. Incentivize the players to take it seriously.

    The NBA and MLB do it to an extent with their skills competitions/HR derby. The NFL has so much more to offer than either of those sports, but are too stuck in their ways to try to attempt it. The pro bowl game has been dead or stupid since as far back as I can remember (mid/late 90s). 

  11. 5 hours ago, slats said:

    I absolutely did not expect GWilson to jump out of the gate like this. I knew he was talented, but I expected an NFL learning curve. 

    Agreed. I thought it might take him 6-8 games, and then he'd hit a rookie wall around week 14. 

    Breece was the one I had penciled in as jumping out of the gate. 

  12. 13 minutes ago, jgb said:

    “If we don’t win a ring it’s all meaningless! I prefer 4-13 and the 4th pick in the draft!!!”

    Call me a dummy but this is supposed to be entertainment and I gain a lot more value from a full season of meaningful games on the cusp of the playoffs than sucking ass and maybe getting a player in the draft.

    To be fair, it would also be nice if the Jets prowess for the latter were as strong as their prowess for the former. 

  13. 3 hours ago, jgb said:

    My experience to a man from everyone — of which there have been many — who has said they prefer “old football” has also expressed being bored to tears during defensive slugfests. Yes, it may be anecdotal but the NFL — which is the richest sports league on earth, as well as the MLB and NBA both have come to the mutually-independent conclusion that scoring sells and I’m sure this is backed by millions spent in market research and perhaps even on studies of human psychology. I’m sure there are a few old salts out there who would proclaim a 9-6 “barn burner” one of the “best games ever played,” but here again those lists — compiled by old school football types — almost exclusively include high-scoring affairs outside of games with irresistible historical significance (e.g., SBIII).

    I stand by my assertion that a majority — or at very least a very substantial minority, although I believe I’m being extremely generous here — of those who say “gimme a defensive battle” would also say “that game sucked” if they got what they claim to want and two teams with great defenses played to a 6-6 tie.

    I don’t believe these folks are lying — only that saying a thing and having to sit through a game of “3 yards and a cloud of dust” football would wear away the patience of Job himself.

    If there is any alternative evidence I’m open to change my mind but the situation seems quite settled.

    Me personally, it's both and neither at the same time. Some of my favorite games in recent memory were high scoring shootouts. Some of my favorite games in distant memory (I'm 36 so I'd say between '94-'08) were defensive affairs. For me, it's about the quality of the play.

    Rules are what they are. They might suck today, they might have sucked a little less when we were younger, but despite what we think we remember about the good ole days, I assure you the rules probably sucked then too. Yes, there is a point to be made that the rules have shifted the gameplay and scoring. QBs don't need to be unicorns anymore, they can be good-to-great playing within the confines of good coaching on a good team. Freakish athleticism will beat strategy 10 times out of 10 (with the understanding that there is always a baseline for both). The point is to play within the constraints. After that, good football is good football.

    I remember being geeked for SNF and MNF in the late 90s/early 2000s anytime the Ravens, Steelers, or Jags played each other. It was must-see-TV because that was really high quality defense being played. Later when Rex came here and we had the best D in the league, it was so much fun watching him scheme up to stop some of the best passing attacks. The Legion of Boom were must see TV for a few years. Where it stops being a general statement about scoring is that while low scores can be a byproduct of great defense, they can and generally are also mutually exclusive of good defense. So while I'd love to sit there and watch a great defensive battle, I don't want to watch a low scoring game because the teams are les incompétent.

    Similarly, the Peyton-Brady matchups were some of my favorite games ever, because they featured elite QB play. The Bills Chiefs from last year, or Chiefs Rams from a few years ago, or the 49ers Saints playoff game back in the Kaep days were extreme offenses, but they were a ton of fun. Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, and Lamar Jackson are all still must see TV for me. Doesn't mean I'm not a football junkie or football purist. Again though, I can understand the criticism, because there are a ton of games over the last few years where the scores have become inflated because of really bad defensive play and referees, and those games are throwaway games despite the high scores. 

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  14. 4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

    The Bears were the better team. 
    Not the point, wasn’t comparing the teams, was saying that ZW didn’t play play fewer games.  You want to makes Fields better I get it 

    I'm not making anyone better, pal. If I had that ability, Zach wouldn't be the worst QB in the league - when he actually plays.

    The facts are what they are. Choose to turn a blind eye to them when they don't fit your narrative. You have that right and have exercised it plenty over the years.

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