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  1. This is the first time in a long time that the Jets have had legitimate tackle depth. True for Edoga but really four of the six draftees have a legitimate opportunity if healthy to compete for starting positions against incumbents who didn’t necessarily “need” to be replaced in the draft. Speaks to how thin the roster is.
  2. I kind of wonder if Tyler Jones gets a shot at center. Read some speculation he may project there. Most intriguing UDFA to me. First team all ACC the last two years as NC State’s left tackle - three year starter at LT after starting a few games at RT and LG as a redshirt freshman. Decent athletic testing too. Short for a tackle which I get, not saying he’s Orlando Pace, but not sure why nobody drafted him to play inside. I think as a team that could use quality OL depth he carves out a roster spot. Would be especially cool if he can take center and run with it.
  3. It’s funny. I think 8 sacks would get people okay with the pick and 8 is unrealistic. Maybe 6 is a good rookie year? Tough as an interior DL...but that’s why interior DL have slipped lately.
  4. I think I’m taking an optimistic view but I just don’t see that many red flags. Seems like theoretically it boils down to bad advice and immaturity - both which can be fixed. He added more weight than he should have on bad advice, hurt himself, ran overweight and injured which he shouldn’t have, was poorly prepared for combine interviews which I’m sure was compounded by his bad performance, then tried to compete at his pro day still obviously not healthy and was terrible. I’m probably putting way too much into the Pro Day interview but he seemed thoughtful and took ownership. The gist of it was basically I didn’t take it seriously enough and didn’t prepare myself, the people I lean on didn’t know what I was getting myself into and I didn’t, I messed up and I’m learning from it. And he said he wasn’t healthy but wanted to compete and run around with his teammates one more time. I feel like performing at his Pro Day was basically him trying to show good character after bombing the combine more than it was trying to time well. To me if he does that interview and says he doesn’t know what’s he did wrong, he’s just going to be himself, etc. I don’t know what the character issues are but it sounded like he was just not at all ready for what happened. I do wonder what happens, interviews aside, if a) he says he’s not healthy and never runs or b) he tries to do the whole circuit at like 245. What was Burns, 248 and taller? I feel like you bring him in, tell him CJ Mosley is his new best friend, cut 10-15 pounds, get the hamstring healthy, get back to the athleticism from college, work him in on passing downs, and try to get a little good weight on him over time and increase his reps. The fun part is we’ll see. Other fun part is if he busts I think the GM is gone.
  5. I think Tyler Jones makes the team. Most excited about him.
  6. I definitely don’t think the 4.84 or anything in Polite’s testing is remotely indicative of his athletic ability. I watch him and I see blow by ability, ability to dip and bend, spins inside. He wasn’t getting projected in the teens before he combine because he was a mediocre athlete when people watched him at first. I think Polite with a healthy hamstring and 10 pounds lighter than he showed up to the combine at has a very different pre-draft process from a testing standpoint. Now by no means does that absolve him of messing up, and it doesn’t make him a steal in the third round either. I think the Jets took him a little before where I thought risk would have met reward under normal circumstances but I don’t like being risk averse on decisions like like drafting someone in the third round and I also think if you’re going to gamble on talent, pass rusher is a nice position for that. I watched two PFF videos on Polite today, one pre combine and one post combine. The pre combine, guy is talking about how freaky an athlete he is and he’s going to come to the combine in the 240’s and blow things up - and while that’s a little light and there are concerns about him against the run he’s a highly talented and athletic pass rusher in a passing oriented league. Second video post Pro Day the guy is destroying him for coming in too heavy and maybe not being able to carry weight and why he even chose to compete at his Pro Day. To me - if he’s athletically the first guy if you cut 10-15 pounds off him and has learned from his mistakes...you got a first round pass rusher. It’s not a surprise he was slow if he got bad advice and came in ten pounds too heavy with a bad hamstring. Again - none of that absolves him, none of it means he’s a steal or will work out. I think whether or not he’s able to be productive at a playing weight that allows him to make an impact against the run is a big question on top of everything. Still think there’s a better chance he’s a productive pro than some of the other third round edges who were not that athletic when healthy and not as productive in college but had high motors and good character. Jenkins who has worked out is definitely a Robin as an edge and always has been.
  7. I disagree a little on the trainwrecks. Justin Houston, Danielle Hunter, Everson Griffen were all first round talents off the top of my head who tumbled and figured it out once they got to the league. The whole predraft process is intended to let teams learn about players. He bombed it. Hopefully it’s a wake up call. We’ll see. Either he was immature and needed a wake up call or there are deeper issues - I honestly have no clue which it is. I do like that he’s not making excuses and going to a hard ass DC on a defense full of vets. Hope he grabs the starting job, runs with it, and keeps his nose clean. He’s the first edge they’ve drafted who I thought was legitimately talented.
  8. Fair point. I think the athletic testing you can basically throw out the window. He clearly had a bad hamstring, got bad advice and got too heavy, but he looks fast when you watch him. When I watched someone like Jarvis Jones coming out of Georgia years ago I expected him to test poorly and he did. Polite testing poorly was a surprise and I think it had multiple reasons. The character issues...no documented major off field stuff. Seemed thoughtful in his interview at the Pro Day. This is where we see what CJ Mosley does I guess. I’m okay rolling the dice on the idea that an immature 21 year old can learn a lesson and grow up. I’ll take this one over those other guys. This is an interesting draft. Maccagnan basically hit a double, swung for the fences a couple of times, and then hit a single. We’ll see how it shakes out. Not sure how much of the draft had to do with him. I don’t think he’s a good GM but I get the Hail Mary and hope it plays out. Like it way more than his traditional third round moves.
  9. I would love a pleasant surprise but the drafting of Quinnen Williams, re-signing Anderson, even re-signing McClendon...
  10. And Jordan Jenkins. To be fair, Polite is the first one who was actually a good pass rusher in college - and was a projected first rounder before he completely bombed. It’s a dice roll but when the alternative is Lorenzo Mauldin, ArDarius Stewart, or Nathan Shepherd...the gamble on the guy who has actually shown some talent for an important skill isn’t the worst thing he’s ever done.
  11. Erik McCoy went 48th overall to the Saints after they traded up to get him. Would have likely stepped in and started for the Jets at center. We were told they had interest. Saints acquired 48 and 116 (482 points) for 62, 202, and a future 2 (436.2 assuming the future 2 is valued as half this year rather than down a round which is the higher value). What would you have been willing to give up in draft capital to get ahead of where the Saints got to move up for McCoy? I think something like 68 and a future 2 but getting a 4 back would have been pretty fair relative to what the Saints gave up (presumably the Jets’ future 2 has more value than the Saints’, chart or not) and I would’ve had no issue giving that up for McCoy.
  12. I’m pretty sure if they draft a center in the seventh round he’s going to be in competition for the starting spot with a legitimate chance to win.
  13. Butler will be available, Macc will trade down and will eventually draft a WR who won’t be nearly as good.
  14. I like not going hyperconservative in the third round.
  15. I’d be into McCoy as a day 1 starter. If they give up a future #1 for a tier 3/4 edge rusher in the very beginning of that tier I may just give up. Taylor or Ford would be good too.
  16. There are a lot of dudes at WR I like and I’m pretty sure Maccagnan is going to pass on at least one of them at 68.
  17. I’m hoping Maccagnan accidentally falls into a guy I like today with one of his drafting tendencies. Older smaller school guy - Scharping. The bar is pretty low. If he falls into McCoy or Jenkins the board will he doing backflips. What will be hysterical is when one of them is there and he passes or he lets a team jump ahead for him.
  18. I am tired of Mike Maccagnan. Tired of defensive tackles. Tired of BPA. Oliver was easily the more exciting interior DL pick. Actually think Quinnen Williams will be really, really good. And that’s new for me. I just hope we have a new GM signing him to an extension after he makes a couple of Pro Bowls. I’m excited for day 2 because the roster is so bad it’s going to be hard for Maccagnan to hurt with a position. Aside from what...ILB, safety, another DL, QB, and maybe RB - everything else is a hole. He’ll hurt me with the player but not the position.
  19. Bengals are playing Williams at tackle...
  20. I think you’d rarely see seven DL and LB on the field at a time but my guess would be: -Williams’ inside -Anderson would cut some weight and play SDE (know the Colts didn’t like him there but 7 sacks as a 3-4 end last year, think he can do it fine at 280ish), Jenkins is the best WDE option at this point -Mosley in the middle and Lee at his natural WLB position. Think Williamson would be fine at SLB. Supposedly base is 3-3-5 so Williams’ and Anderson up front with Mosley, Williamson, and Hughes is reporting Copeland as the third linebacker but I’ve got a hard time seeing them keep Jenkins off the field.
  21. Amount of eyeliner Peter Schrager uses O/U amount of eyeliner Kay Adams uses?

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