Could THIS Be The Reason We Didn't Try For Braylon?

[JetsFanInDenver]

Not really.

Holmes hasn't had a single incident since he joined the Jets.

But when the Goddell court of law strikes, is it going to view what he did on the JETS or his league history ?

Edited September 7, 2011 by JetsFanInDenver

[slats]

But when the Goddell court of law strikes, is it going to view what he did on the JETS or his league history ?

Again, Holmes' recent behavior suggests that he's less likely to have a repeat incident being that he's had zero incidents in the time that Braylon's had three.

[JetsFanInDenver]

Again, Holmes' recent behavior suggests that he's less likely to have a repeat incident being that he's had zero incidents in the time that Braylon's had three.

Some are from 2010, not that long ago. And there is no denying that Holmes has had some serious issues!

[slats]

Some are from 2010, not that long ago. And there is no denying that Holmes has had some serious issues!

The ipod incident was bullsh*t, and the lawsuit probably is, too.

That lawsuit issue is the one that led the Steelers to dump him. Aside from the ipod BS, since that time he's been completely clean.

Edwards is still on probation for assault, which led to the Browns looking to trade him - and he's had a DUI, bar fight, and a late night one car accident all in the past 12 months.

If you're purposely unable to see the difference, there's really no reason for me to discuss it. Braylon clearly hasn't learned a thing. Maybe this humbling offseason will serve to help him out personally.

[JetsFanInDenver]

The ipod incident was bullsh*t, and the lawsuit probably is, too.

That lawsuit issue is the one that led the Steelers to dump him. Aside from the ipod BS, since that time he's been completely clean.

Edwards is still on probation for assault, which led to the Browns looking to trade him - and he's had a DUI, bar fight, and a late night one car accident all in the past 12 months.

If you're purposely unable to see the difference, there's really no reason for me to discuss it. Braylon clearly hasn't learned a thing. Maybe this humbling offseason will serve to help him out personally.

If the Ipod incident was the only thing no one would focus on his off field struggles and he would not be one strike away from a long term vacation. So if you focus only on that than you are missing the entire paragraph before that. And that time has not been so long ago. And Plax went for 18 month trip to the can for his issues.

At the end of the day Santionio, Plax and Braylon all have had issues. But the focus has only been on one guy.

[Mogglez]

Did he go to prison for 18 months ? And yet we give guaranteed money to guys who have proved bigger thugturds!

And one incident was a DWI. Who over here has not got a DWI or is friends with someone who has got a DWI ?

And the other incident was when his friends and/or cousins were involved. Edwards was not even questioned. How is Edwards responsible for his friends/cousins behavior ?

Is there anything other incident i am missing ?

Your missing 1.

-Speeding like an idiot at 3:40am. He was in the same car w/ Donte Stallworth when Donte was going 100mph and killed a man....you'd think he'd know better

It's not just the incidents themselves that scared teams off. It's the fact that, no matter how much trouble he gets in, he never learns. In a small time frame, when all Braylon had to do is sit on his a$$ and wait for money to come flying his way, what does the moron do? Gets into a bar fight. And btw he WAS, in fact, involved in the incident: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/braylon-edwards-implicated-in-michigan-bar-fight-

"Braylon Edwards was present and involved, but it's an ongoing police investigation, so at this time, we don't have any further information," the bar confirmed Tuesday.

The Free Press also reported that "privately, employees at South Bar said Edwards was spurring on his cousins rather than trying to get them to stop fighting."

>>>>this is the type of guy that thinks he's done enough to earn a large, guaranteed contract??? Yeah OK.

Until Braylon shows teams that he can go a week without ****ing up, he will be playing for a ton of $3.5 million (non-guaranteed & incentive laced) 1-year contracts.

Was Holmes bad too? No doubt about it. But what has he done since coming here? Nothing. The one interview that stuck out the most to me was when Holmes was asked how he knows he wont go back to his old ways. He replied by simply saying that he doesn't want his kids to grow up, google his name, and read about all the stupid **** he's ever done. The guy finally gets it and has matured into a strong leader of this football team.

[slats]

If the Ipod incident was the only thing no one would focus on his off field struggles and he would not be one strike away from a long term vacation. So if you focus only on that than you are missing the entire paragraph before that. And that time has not been so long ago. And Plax went for 18 month trip to the can for his issues.

At the end of the day Santionio, Plax and Braylon all have had issues. But the focus has only been on one guy.

Right. The guy with the least amount of talent of the three. The one who also has the most recent incidents. The one who hasn't demonstrated any understanding that he needs to be on his best behavior when he's a free agent looking for a contract. The one who, instead, is finding himself involved in bar fights and late night one car car accidents. Not good behavior for a guy who got a DUI less than a year before.

The Jets have some former FBI dude in charge of their security. They investigate everyone they're interested in signing. So they investigated Plax and Holmes, and decided that they were worth the risk. As for Edwards, either they simply weren't interested in signing him, or they were, investigated him, and determined him to not be worth the risk.

Feel free to get over it anytime you're ready.

[JiF]

Per JIF - Santonio Holmes is the greatest clutch WR in the history of the NFL and his all time NFL leading Game winning catches is proof of that.

Consider yourselves lucky Jets Fans, JIF does not let these top secret stats out easily you usually have to pry them out of him. hes a bitch like that

He has more catches during the last 2 minutes that have either been a go ahead TD or put the team in position for the go ahead FG than any WR ever (or in the league)...think it was ever.

Somebody said it on ESPN, it must be true.

[Smashmouth]

He has more catches during the last 2 minutes that have either been a go ahead TD or put the team in position for the go ahead FG than any WR ever (or in the league)...think it was ever.

Somebody said it on ESPN, it must be true.

Wait !! ESPN said that ? Im sorry . Next time you should reveal your source and at least give me a fighting chance. BTW did you hear that Peyton Mannings head fell off last night ? yep ESPN reported it.

[Barcs]

Show me where in my post I refer to Plax as and under achiever ?? Its pretty obvious he was under the " has been " category due to age. I think Santonio has emense talent but has underacheived . He has 1200 12 talent but consistently puts up 900 5 numbers and its NOT just because of the Jets being a running team. Anything said otherwise needs to be proven first.

Ah Ok. I was trying to figure out which guys you have as under achieving and which guys you have as has beens. Either way I still don't agree. Holmes was great for us last year. He put out virtually the same stats as Edwards in 4 games less, with a 2nd year QB and run heavy offense. He's not an under achiever. There's a reason he's team captain right now and has a mega contract whereas Edwards does not. Holmes has been on run heavy teams his whole career. At least read the counterpoints before just repeating the same argument. I already slaughtered the "under achieving / Holmes isn't top 10" arguments. Holmes ain't the best of all time, but few can rival his clutch SB catch or his catch in the Pats playoff game last season. I know you're still butthurt about Edwards, but let it go already. Plax isn't a has been, he's a question mark. If he plays even somewhat decently, it's well worth it, and that other has been had a way better season than our #3 last year. Saying we replaced our receivers with has beens and underachievers is beyond retarded.

But My understanding is a bit off because all the things you need to be successful as an offense still have not been met most notably actully playing together. This preseason alone proves my point that these guys will have a rough go of it since both guys have already missed valuable time to get in sync with their QB. But hey **** it were a SB caliber team .

Your understanding is definitely off. Every team is going to be affected by the short preseason. Let's see what they can do in the regular season before jumping to all these conclusions. Edited September 8, 2011 by Barcs

[JiF]

Wait !! ESPN said that ? Im sorry . Next time you should reveal your source and at least give me a fighting chance. BTW did you hear that Peyton Mannings head fell off last night ? yep ESPN reported it.

You got it. You know what else I heard on ESPN, your little binky Lance Moore is missing the first game of the season with an injury, possibly more. You know who isnt, Derrick Mason and Plaxico Burress.

Edited September 8, 2011 by JiF

[Smashmouth]

You got it. You know what else I heard on ESPN, your little binky Lance Moore is missing the first game of the season with an injury, possibly more. You know who isnt, Derrick Mason and Plaxico Burress.

thats the NFL my man. The issue is recovery at a later age and whats left in the tank come playoff time.

[Smashmouth]

Ah Ok. I was trying to figure out which guys you have as under achieving and which guys you have as has beens. Either way I still don't agree. Holmes was great for us last year. He put out virtually the same stats as Edwards in 4 games less, with a 2nd year QB and run heavy offense. He's not an under achiever. There's a reason he's team captain right now and has a mega contract whereas Edwards does not. Holmes has been on run heavy teams his whole career. At least read the counterpoints before just repeating the same argument. I already slaughtered the "under achieving / Holmes isn't top 10" arguments. Holmes ain't the best of all time, but few can rival his clutch SB catch or his catch in the Pats playoff game last season. I know you're still butthurt about Edwards, but let it go already. Plax isn't a has been, he's a question mark. If he plays even somewhat decently, it's well worth it, and that other has been had a way better season than our #3 last year. Saying we replaced our receivers with has beens and underachievers is beyond retarded.

Your understanding is definitely off. Every team is going to be affected by the short preseason. Let's see what they can do in the regular season before jumping to all these conclusions.

So in your eyes the Jets who have 3 new recievers with limited time getting in sync with their QB is the same as teams who have brought back the same skill players as last year and are familar with the offesnse and their QB ?

No its not even close and trust me my understanding is not off. Sanchez has had about 2 weeks to work with Plax and much shorter to work with Mason . The way the situation is now it will take much longer for these guys to get in sync. Adding one WR is understandable but of the 4 we have on the roster Sanchez has experience working with 1 the other three are new to him and the system and one is an unproven rookie . But hey nothing at all to worry about here Like I said we are Immune to Age and timing and every other issue players run into with limited practice time with a new team. We are the NY JETS.

Whats beyond retarded is totally ignoring whats staring you right in the face. Common knowledge in the NFL type situations that you choose to just ignore while making your arguement. Dont call peoples opinions beyond retarded until you get a better understanding of whats been going on in the NFL for years. The odds are not in our favor that a 34 and 38 year old WR tandem will make it through the playoffs in this league yes it does happen in rare cases but that just enhances the fact that the odds are aganist it . Thats not even mentioning the fatc that Plax has been in Jail for 2 years and has not played the game unless you consider 2 hand touch on the jail grounds getting ready for the NFL or his 40 minutes of exercise or WTF ever it is.

Im glad your hopeful and have a positive outlook... once the season starts I will not address this situation again because i will be rooting hard for Plax Mason Santonio and every other freakin Jet. But Im not stupid either. Even if they light it up there is still a chance they can wear down at the end of the season..... then what ?? practice Squad players for the playoff run ? Im also not into "I told Ya So's" thats not how I roll if it happens I will be just as upset as anyone on this site and I wont bring it up. Lets hope all goes well.

Edited September 8, 2011 by Smashmouth

[JiF]

thats the NFL my man. The issue is recovery at a later age and whats left in the tank come playoff time.

Oh now the issue is recovery, not injury.

You just keep changing your stance every time something is put back in your face. Its fun to watch. A true GM at heart. The Jets will be lucky once you're hired.

Bottom line, your man crush that you were pushing for all offseason is injured and not playing. And the 2 guys you bitched about all offseason are just fine and going to help the Jets win the Super Bowl.

Shut up. Ih8u

[JiF]

once the season starts I will not address this situation again because i will be rooting hard for Plax Mason Santonio

This could be the best line you've dropped all offseason. You're waiting for the season to start to root for them? WTF? Are you a Jets fan? Have you been secretly hoping they die before the season?

lol

[slats]

So in your eyes the Jets who have 3 new recievers with limited time getting in sync with their QB is the same as teams who have brought back the same skill players as last year and are familar with the offesnse and their QB ?

No its not even close and trust me my understanding is not off. Sanchez has had about 2 weeks to work with Plax and much shorter to work with Mason . The way the situation is now it will take much longer for these guys to get in sync. Adding one WR is understandable but of the 4 we have on the roster Sanchez has experience working with 1 the other three are new to him and the system and one is an unproven rookie . But hey nothing at all to worry about here Like I said we are Immune to Age and timing and every other issue players run into with limited practice time with a new team. We are the NY JETS.

The Jets had four players who caught more than 50 passes for them last year, and have brought three of them back: Holmes, Keller, and LT.

They have a couple other guys who've been with the team for all of last year (at least) who figure to be more prominently featured this year in McKnight and Cumberland.

It's not like the two WR's they brought in will be Sanchez' only options. He has a lot of options. And they all have the Dallas, Jacksonville, and Raider games to get up the new (old!) WR's to speed before they play anyone who should be able to beat them this season. That's a nice cushion.

You insist on taking the glass half empty approach with Plax and Mason, but they've both demonstrated that they can move to a new team and be highly productive. These are two consummate pros. It's highly unlikely that both will fail here. Plax, in particular, should be tanned and rested and motivated to perform at an extremely high level. What he does this year will determine how much money he makes for the rest of his career.

Mason came here to win a Super Bowl. He's got some motivation, too.

I just think this extended whine is way off base.

[Smashmouth]

Oh now the issue is recovery, not injury.

You just keep changing your stance every time something is put back in your face. Its fun to watch. A true GM at heart. The Jets will be lucky once you're hired.

Bottom line, your man crush that you were pushing for all offseason is injured and not playing. And the 2 guys you bitched about all offseason are just fine and going to help the Jets win the Super Bowl.

Shut up. Ih8u

If you bothered to read anything at all I never EVER said they would be sidlined by some major injury, my arguement has ALWAYS been the ability to recover from what goes on , on a weekly basis in the NFL where you have to recover from the bumps, bruises, and soreness, on a 16 week basis, and if a moderate type injury happens like a sprain or a pull whats the time table on recovery . Please dont put words in my mouth while trying to make a point.

Also when it comes to rooting for the players in question I have always rooted for them to stay healthy and produce, my other arguement is based on the stupidity of our organization to take such a chance with a SB bound team.

You make a smart a$$ remark about WR's being the only thing that makes a team go and I never said that either but if were trailing by ten points in the 4th quarter of a game it damn well will come down to the WR's ability to get open and their ability at that time including stamina. Last year in the Playoffs vs the Steelers Mason had 0 catches and he wore down towords the end of the season. Just to give you an idea of how players of that age perform go look up the stats over the past 40 years of how players 35+ perform in the playoffs and let me know WTF you find and how successfull they were. If you find one or two that produced good for you, does that help yuou a bit with the odds we're dealing with ?

[Smashmouth]

The Jets had four players who caught more than 50 passes for them last year, and have brought three of them back: Holmes, Keller, and LT.

They have a couple other guys who've been with the team for all of last year (at least) who figure to be more prominently featured this year in McKnight and Cumberland.

It's not like the two WR's they brought in will be Sanchez' only options. He has a lot of options. And they all have the Dallas, Jacksonville, and Raider games to get up the new (old!) WR's to speed before they play anyone who should be able to beat them this season. That's a nice cushion.

You insist on taking the glass half empty approach with Plax and Mason, but they've both demonstrated that they can move to a new team and be highly productive. These are two consummate pros. It's highly unlikely that both will fail here. Plax, in particular, should be tanned and rested and motivated to perform at an extremely high level. What he does this year will determine how much money he makes for the rest of his career.

Mason came here to win a Super Bowl. He's got some motivation, too.

I just think this extended whine is way off base.

Slats we've discussd this already ...I know where you stand and I know what other players have produced on this team but to ignore the age factor here is just plain silly. Also, I continue arguing not because of posts like yours that do make sense, but because I absolutely detest it when people call others retards due to an opinion thats somewhat based on fact. Older players very rarely produce at a high level in the playoffs due to a lot of reasons and I think you know that. So to be called a retard for that opinion is dreadfully stupid . Sure there is the rare occasion they do, guys like Riggins come to mind but once again thats a very rare situation .

I also hate it when people twist my words and misquote me. Ill fight that to the end.

Edited September 8, 2011 by Smashmouth

[Smashmouth]

This could be the best line you've dropped all offseason. You're waiting for the season to start to root for them? WTF? Are you a Jets fan? Have you been secretly hoping they die before the season?

lol

JIF thats not how I meant it and you know it

[JiF]

Slats we've discussd this already ...I know where you stand and I know what other players have produced on this team but to ignore the age factor here is just plain silly. Also, I continue arguing not because of posts like yours that do make sense, but because I absolutely detest it when people call others retards due to an opinion thats somewhat based on fact. Older players very rarely produce at a high level in the playoffs due to a lot of reasons and I think you know that. So to be called a retard for that opinion is dreadfully stupid . Sure there is the rare occasion they do, guys like Riggins come to mind but once again thats a very rare situation .

I also hate it when people twist my words and misquote me. Ill fight that to the end.

Nobody is twisting your words...you are all over the map dude. Its injuries, then its recovery, then its playoff time, then its time off, then its adjusting to a new team, then its this then its that...dude, its utterly ridiculous.

And you keep using this Mason didnt catch a pass vs. the Steelers as this great defense of your position. Its actually horrible. Flacco had 16 completions that game. 9, count it, 9 of them went to RB's. 3 went to a TE (Heap). You know how many WR's caught pass? 2. 2 dude. TJ Whosyourmamma was on of them - he caught 3 balls. Guess how old he is? Boldin caught 1 pass for negative 1 yard. Guess how old he is. That example sucks. Flacco is the new Pennington of check downs charlies.

JIF thats not how I meant it and you know it

I'm sorry, how did you mean it? lol You talk out both sides your mouth, its hard to follow.

[Smashmouth]

JIF your a bird brain. Being old , recovering from the week to week beatdown, and being ready for the playoffs are all in the same category its called OLD stop trying to make it look like 10 different issues when it all ties into one real issue OLD OLD OLD.

How I meant it was I was not going to discuss the issue any longer that simple. You keep pushing it . Now go run and find me some succesful 35 + year old playoff studs in the past 40 years of the NFL Go JIF cause I know your basing your ridiculous arguement on something right ? That should basicly end this stupid arguement. Run along little gator

[JetsFanInDenver]

Right. The guy with the least amount of talent of the three. The one who also has the most recent incidents. The one who hasn't demonstrated any understanding that he needs to be on his best behavior when he's a free agent looking for a contract. The one who, instead, is finding himself involved in bar fights and late night one car car accidents. Not good behavior for a guy who got a DUI less than a year before.

The Jets have some former FBI dude in charge of their security. They investigate everyone they're interested in signing. So they investigated Plax and Holmes, and decided that they were worth the risk. As for Edwards, either they simply weren't interested in signing him, or they were, investigated him, and determined him to not be worth the risk.

Feel free to get over it anytime you're ready.

Ok then. So we should only consider recent incidents ? And how recent is recent for you. Its not like 2010 happened decades ago.

And one question you have to answer is will the commish give out punishment just based on recent incidents and forget the previous strikes?

Do we know for that for a fact that the JETS investigated backgrounds? Plax just got out of the can after 18 months. I am not sure what report must have contained.

[JiF]

JIF your a bird brain. Being old , recovering from the week to week beatdown, and being ready for the playoffs are all in the same category its called OLD stop trying to make it look like 10 different issues when it all ties into one real issue OLD OLD OLD.

How I meant it was I was not going to discuss the issue any longer that simple. You keep pushing it . Now go run and find me some succesful 35 + year old playoff studs in the past 40 years of the NFL Go JIF cause I know your basing your ridiculous arguement on something right ? That should basicly end this stupid arguement. Run along little gator

Nope the argument ended when your binky Lance Moore who is young young young, is missing games due to injury while our guys are set to dominate who are old old old.

And while I have an excessive amount of time to post with dweebs like you, Im not going to research every 35+ year old receivers production in the playoffs in the history of the NFL. First off, its stupid because the game has evolved and players play longer, but secondly...it will prove nothing as plenty of young WR dont perform in the playoffs as well. You suck at this.

[slats]

Ok then. So we should only consider recent incidents ? And how recent is recent for you. Its not like 2010 happened decades ago.

And one question you have to answer is will the commish give out punishment just based on recent incidents and forget the previous strikes?

Do we know for that for a fact that the JETS investigated backgrounds? Plax just got out of the can after 18 months. I am not sure what report must have contained.

The Jets have a former FBI guy working security in the front office. They use him and his staff to investigate all potential future draft choices and free agents. We know beyond any reasonable doubt that the Jets investigated all of these guys. They certainly looked deeply into Holmes before handing him $50M. Santonio's two 2010 incidents are probably BS, which is why I don't care about them. The assault lawsuit has no criminal backing, and the earphone thing on the plane was just stupid. He'd still be with the Steelers if their QB wasn't defending himself against rape charges. The lawsuit was bad timing for them, and great for the Jets.

Yes, the Jets are screwed for a year if Santonio chooses to pick up a joint. But the Jets have clearly decided that wasn't a major concern. If it was, they would not've signed him.

They were well aware of Plaxico, and had an interest in signing him when he got out of jail as soon as he went in. I'm sure they have background checks on him dating back to when the jints initially cut him. As well as reports about his prison behavior.

Your beloved Edwards, however, was not signed by the Jets, and was not worth more than $1M/1yr to anyone in the NFL. Either the Jets didn't want to resign him outright, or they thought about it, investigated him, and determined him to be too great a risk. Either way, he's not here for a reason.

[JetsFanInDenver]

The Jets have a former FBI guy working security in the front office. They use him and his staff to investigate all potential future draft choices and free agents. We know beyond any reasonable doubt that the Jets investigated all of these guys. They certainly looked deeply into Holmes before handing him $50M. Santonio's two 2010 incidents are probably BS, which is why I don't care about them. The assault lawsuit has no criminal backing, and the earphone thing on the plane was just stupid. He'd still be with the Steelers if their QB wasn't defending himself against rape charges. The lawsuit was bad timing for them, and great for the Jets.

Yes, the Jets are screwed for a year if Santonio chooses to pick up a joint. But the Jets have clearly decided that wasn't a major concern. If it was, they would not've signed him.

They were well aware of Plaxico, and had an interest in signing him when he got out of jail as soon as he went in. I'm sure they have background checks on him dating back to when the jints initially cut him. As well as reports about his prison behavior.

Your beloved Edwards, however, was not signed by the Jets, and was not worth more than $1M/1yr to anyone in the NFL. Either the Jets didn't want to resign him outright, or they thought about it, investigated him, and determined him to be too great a risk. Either way, he's not here for a reason.

Ok then. Forgot the other incident was only a domestic abuse variety. Not too serious i guess.

And Its not like the JETS FO has ever made a mistake.

[slats]

Ok then. Forgot the other incident was only a domestic abuse variety. Not too serious i guess.

And Its not like the JETS FO has ever made a mistake.

From your list of Santonio's transgressions:

On July 7, 2006, Holmes appeared in Franklin County Court in Columbus, Ohio for both a pre-trial hearing regarding the domestic case and a hearing regarding the traffic ticket. He pled no contest to the traffic ticket and agreed to pay a fine. While Lashae Boone, the mother of Holmes' daughter and the victim in the assault case, requested that the domestic violence and assault charges be dropped, the prosecutor refused. Boone and their daughter accompanied Holmes to court. The charges were later dropped.^[16]

This is the worst of it, it dates to 2006, and it's a bunch of nothing.

Larry Fitzgerald has been charged with domestic abuse, too. That kind of crap happens to pro athletes all the time. If it happens more than once, or if he's convicted, then you can start getting more concerned about it. Kinda like the way Braylon has a series of alcohol related incidents to go along with a couple convictions.

[#27TheDominator]

Ok then. Forgot the other incident was only a domestic abuse variety. Not too serious i guess.

And Its not like the JETS FO has ever made a mistake.

I still don't understand this side of the fight. It's not just the Jets FO. It's the entire league. Could it be that they were all wrong? Of course. There are only 3 possibilities or as I suspect a combination of the three: 1. Braylon is not that good. 2. Braylon is more screwed up behind the scenes than we know. 3. Braylon and his agent priced him out of the market and wouldn't take a longer term deal at #2 money - even high #2 money.

During the offseason there was a long thread about Braylon vs. Santonio and I think more people preferred Braylon so it's not like nobody here would take his side. .

Burress and Holmes both have had off the field issues. I don't think Burress faced suspension prior to the shooting, but he was notoriously lazy, late to meetings and not paying attention in the film room. It's one reason the Steelers let him walk. IMO the main thing is that he is better at catching a football than Edwards.

[Smashmouth]

Nope the argument ended when your binky Lance Moore who is young young young, is missing games due to injury while our guys are set to dominate who are old old old.

And while I have an excessive amount of time to post with dweebs like you, Im not going to research every 35+ year old receivers production in the playoffs in the history of the NFL. First off, its stupid because the game has evolved and players play longer, but secondly...it will prove nothing as plenty of young WR dont perform in the playoffs as well. You suck at this.

[JetsFanInDenver]

From your list of Santonio's transgressions:

This is the worst of it, it dates to 2006, and it's a bunch of nothing.

Larry Fitzgerald has been charged with domestic abuse, too. That kind of crap happens to pro athletes all the time. If it happens more than once, or if he's convicted, then you can start getting more concerned about it. Kinda like the way Braylon has a series of alcohol related incidents to go along with a couple convictions.

So domestic abuse and assault is not as bad as DWI. Good to know.

And his incident in 2010 is in was a domestic assault case IIRC. For all you know he's been lucky that his spouse has withdrawn charges against him in the past.

[JetsFanInDenver]

I still don't understand this side of the fight. It's not just the Jets FO. It's the entire league. Could it be that they were all wrong? Of course. There are only 3 possibilities or as I suspect a combination of the three: 1. Braylon is not that good. 2. Braylon is more screwed up behind the scenes than we know. 3. Braylon and his agent priced him out of the market and wouldn't take a longer term deal at #2 money - even high #2 money.

During the offseason there was a long thread about Braylon vs. Santonio and I think more people preferred Braylon so it's not like nobody here would take his side. .

Burress and Holmes both have had off the field issues. I don't think Burress faced suspension prior to the shooting, but he was notoriously lazy, late to meetings and not paying attention in the film room. It's one reason the Steelers let him walk. IMO the main thing is that he is better at catching a football than Edwards.

I know we have talked about that in the past. So i will mention it one final time and leave it at that. Has there never been a case where the entire league has been wrong ?

I know. And if the JETS had signed Braylon right now we would have had threads about what a BEAST he was. And DWI's , everybody gets them!

Braylon has one drop last season. I am not sure how many only one drop seasons Buress has had. Having said that i think he will be a great asset on the field if and IF only he can stay on the field and play to his 2009 levels.

[slats]

So domestic abuse and assault is not as bad as DWI. Good to know.

And his incident in 2010 is in was a domestic assault case IIRC. For all you know he's been lucky that his spouse has withdrawn charges against him in the past.

Braylon Edwards has been convicted of assault and DUI.

Holmes was charged once, and those charges were dropped.

It's true that I don't know the extent of his abuses, but I'm extremely confident that the Jets and their FBI security team made absolutely certain that is was a non-issue before giving him a $50M contract.

[JetsFanInDenver]

Braylon Edwards has been convicted of assault and DUI.

Holmes was charged once, and those charges were dropped.

It's true that I don't know the extent of his abuses, but I'm extremely confident that the Jets and their FBI security team made absolutely certain that is was a non-issue before giving him a $50M contract.

By his spouse. That happens in like 95% of the cases. But does not mean it was not an assault.

And the argument that the JETS made sure it was a non-issue. How could they know that with 100% confidence unless they rigged his bedroom. See how absurd that is.

Edited September 8, 2011 by JetsFanInDenver

[#27TheDominator]

I know we have talked about that in the past. So i will mention it one final time and leave it at that. Has there never been a case where the entire league has been wrong ?

I know. And if the JETS had signed Braylon right now we would have had threads about what a BEAST he was. And DWI's , everybody gets them!

Braylon has one drop last season. I am not sure how many only one drop seasons Buress has had. Having said that i think he will be a great asset on the field if and IF only he can stay on the field and play to his 2009 levels.

Exactly. I agree the entire league could be wrong, but I can't see blaming the Jets FO for doing the same thing as every other team.

As for drops, I will leave that alone. It was beaten to death a long, long time ago.

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[JetsFanInDenver]

Exactly. I agree the entire league could be wrong, but I can't see blaming the Jets FO for doing something every other team did.

As for drops, I will leave that alone. It has been beaten to death a long, long time ago.

But it was a JETS free agent we lost. A productive member of the JETS team that went all the way to AFCG.

[#27TheDominator]

But it was a JETS free agent we lost. A productive member of the JETS team that went all the way to AFCG.

...and the Jets know MORE about what kind of teammate he was, what kind of person and any behind the scenes trouble than any other team and they didn't make him much of an offer.

I just edited out my usual diatribe about Edwards, but the Jets FO has built this allegedly Super Bowl ready team. If they don't want the guy that's enough for me until proven otherwise. It's not like they didn't address the position. Personally, I think Burress and Mason are better than Cotch and Edwards. Reasonable people might think otherwise, but it's certainly up for discussion. Since Tannenbaum took over there is only one year where the team was not better than the year before. That buys them a sh*tload of credibility in my book.

Edited September 8, 2011 by #27TheDominator