Blackout Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Since us Yankee fans are apparently obsessed with the Red Sawx why not look at CC this year (not Sabathia, Carl Crawford) batting average / onbase % / slugging % total: .255/.292/.401 with RISP: .232/.267/.370 23 walks / 100 strikeouts (ouch) Vs AL East NYY: .266/.288/.406 TBR: .224/.255/.286 TOR: .196/.233/.304 BAL: .207/.233/.276 But hey, he has hit well when the Sox are up or down by 4 or more runs: .353/.392/.574 Plus he is stealing base at a much smaller rate than ever before....probably because you can't steal first. so far he's earned his salary this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I really thought he was a huge pickup for the Sox last spring. Glad it didn't work out that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 He's better than the hitter we have seen, but he's not the guy from 2010. Other than his speed (what good does that do in a short LF at Fenway) Crawford is nothing special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 The problem is that Crawford doesn't really fit in the line-up as it is currently constructed. He's a top of the order guy, but he doesn't really fit at the top of the Sox order. The Sox need a right handed hitting power hitter to protect A-Gon and got a left-handed hitting speed guy instead. Some people can handle Boston, some people can't. It's not for everyone. As bad as he has been though, Lackey is worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 Lackey is Gainzo's favorite pitcher though, or at least used to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Like I said earlier Sawx would have been better off keeping VMart and Belte over Gonzo and CC Sawx just didn't need another lefty, and basically moving Youk back to 3rd has ruined him, and his season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 Like I said earlier Sawx would have been better off keeping VMart and Belte over Gonzo and CC Sawx just didn't need another lefty, and basically moving Youk back to 3rd has ruined him, and his season Gonzalez was needed but Crawford was NOT and they shoulda done kept V-mart over Saltynuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Like I said earlier Sawx would have been better off keeping VMart and Belte over Gonzo and CC Sawx just didn't need another lefty, and basically moving Youk back to 3rd has ruined him, and his season Youkilis was not ruined by moving back to 3rd base. That's ridiculous. He was hurt last year and got hurt this year. There is no rhyme or reason to that line of thinking. And getting Gonzalez was definitely the right move. Any suggestion otherwise is dumb. Gonzalez was needed but Crawford was NOT and they shoulda done kept V-mart over Saltynuts V-Mart has caught how many games this season? The Sox didn't need another DH. They needed a catcher. Crawford didn't make sense then and still doesn't make sense. It would probably have been smarter to bring in Werth for the money each guy got paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 He never fit the park, but he's obviously a better player than this. All he has to do is learn to use the wall out there. It's a hitter's best friend, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanFromQueens Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Crawford was replaced the second TB drafted Desmond Jennings. Once they started to develope Jennings, it became a wrap. Crawford has been overrated by the media, and most definitely not worth the money he was trying to strong arm the Rays front office for. If he weren't overrated, he would have always been a leadoff hitter for the Rays, one whom also played center field. But he couldn't. He's always been too uncomfortable to play both positions. He's always been overrated because of his overall speed. He's the greatest Ray they've ever had, but I'm pretty sure Longoria, Price and Jennings will take that title away from Crawford over the next couple of years. Lets be honest here... His game is based off of top of the line speed. Speed on the bases and speed in the outfield. He's now 30 years old. As he ages, and as he starts to lose top end speed, his game will decline in major ways. At the age of 30, he was never worth the money he was looking for out of Tampa Bay, and he most definitely wasn't worth the money the Red Sox signed him for. Crawford only had a batting average of .255 with the Red Sox this year. The lowest batting average of his 10 year career. He only scored 64 runs, the lowest amount of runs scored since his rookie season. 103 strike outs, the 3rd highest of his career. Only 18 stolen bases, the lowest amount of stolen bases since his rookie season. He's been thrown out trying to steal 6 times... Proof that he's losing his overall speed/acceleration at the age of 30. An on base % of only .290; the lowest since his rookie season. The Rays knew what they were doing in regards to Crawford. They had Desmond Jennings, a fine young ball player waiting in the wings. The Red Sox got this one wrong. One thing is for sure, the Rays as a franchise has seen the best of Carl Crawford; the Red Sox will enjoy his decline from here on out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 One thing is for sure, the Rays as a franchise has seen the best of Carl Crawford; the Red Sox will enjoy his decline from here on out. To be fair, the Yankees have been on the wrong end of plenty of those deals, too. Randy Johnson and Kevin Brown spring immediately to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanFromQueens Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 To be fair, the Yankees have been on the wrong end of plenty of those deals, too. Randy Johnson and Kevin Brown spring immediately to mind. First and foremost, I'm not a Yankees fan and last but not least... Why bring up the Yankees when talking about the fact that Crawford has been an epic bust in Boston? On a side note. Randy Johnson was aging, but still put up a record of 34-19 with the Yankees. Consecutive 17 win seasons. Since when was that bad? He also averaged 215.1 innings per season during the two years he pitched in New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Boston isn't for everyone. I'm willing to give CC another chance but he wasn't what the Sox needed. They needed a RH power bat. Not a speed guy. They should have known Ellsbury was going to be this good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Like I said earlier Sawx would have been better off keeping VMart and Belte over Gonzo and CC Sawx just didn't need another lefty, and basically moving Youk back to 3rd has ruined him, and his season It was just as ridiculous earlier. VMart and Beltre are nice, but they are not worth 130+ million in contracts at the age of 32. Gonzo is. Crawford, is only one year in to his contract. Let him suck for at least a 2nd season like Lackey. Since us Yankee fans are apparently obsessed with the Red Sawx why not look at CC this year (not Sabathia, Carl Crawford) batting average / onbase % / slugging % total: .255/.292/.401 with RISP: .232/.267/.370 23 walks / 100 strikeouts (ouch) Vs AL East NYY: .266/.288/.406 TBR: .224/.255/.286 TOR: .196/.233/.304 BAL: .207/.233/.276 But hey, he has hit well when the Sox are up or down by 4 or more runs: .353/.392/.574 Plus he is stealing base at a much smaller rate than ever before....probably because you can't steal first. so far he's earned his salary this year He was a bargain compared spending 31 million on a player who played 99 games with 16 HRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 To be fair, the Yankees have been on the wrong end of plenty of those deals, too. Randy Johnson and Kevin Brown spring immediately to mind. Spot on and 90% of Yankee fans and a good part of the front office were pointing to the day the Rays could not afford him so he could be their next left fielder. The thread reaks with hypocritical hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanFromQueens Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Spot on and 90% of Yankee fans and a good part of the front office were pointing to the day the Rays could not afford him so he could be their next left fielder. The thread reaks with hypocritical hindsight. He wasn't spot on, not using Randy Johnson as an example. Randy wasn't great for the Yankees, but he won 34 games during his two year span in NY. Helping NY win 17 games during both seasons. I'll agree in terms of Carl Crawford. Yankee fans did drool over the thought of Carl Crawford in pin stripes, but then again... Crawford's speed would have at least been useful playing left field in Yankee stadium. In Fenway park? He's a joke. Worst situation possible for Carl Crawford. Too bad Crawford refuses to play any other position, other than left field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Spot on and 90% of Yankee fans and a good part of the front office were pointing to the day the Rays could not afford him so he could be their next left fielder. The thread reaks with hypocritical hindsight. Cashman decided he didn't want him though. So if a fan thought it would be a good signing two years ago and the Yankees GM passed, I think Yankees fans still have a right to gloat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Maybe they should let Carl Crawford pitch and Lackey can play left field. It is that kind of out of the box thinking that will help the Sox turn this around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Maybe they should let Carl Crawford pitch and Lackey can play left field. It is that kind of out of the box thinking that will help the Sox turn this around. I'll tell you this Both Beltre and VMart are playing, what are Crawford and Gonzo doing Who got the better end of those deals?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 I'll tell you this Both Beltre and VMart are playing, what are Crawford and Gonzo doing Who got the better end of those deals?? That's pretty shortsighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Cashman decided he didn't want him though. So if a fan thought it would be a good signing two years ago and the Yankees GM passed, I think Yankees fans still have a right to gloat. I am not sure Cashman "decided he did not want him". Chasing Cliff Lee, the Jeter contract disrespect by both the FO and fanbase along with awaiting Andy's retirement decision meant that he could not throw "blow everyone out of the water" money at him and sign him quickly. In spring training he said Theo kicked his butt in the off season. Now he says he faked Crawford interest to drive up the price. This from a guy who basically bid against himself for C.C. It worked out well for the Yanks.....so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 I am not sure Cashman "decided he did not want him". Chasing Cliff Lee, the Jeter contract disrespect by both the FO and fanbase along with awaiting Andy's retirement decision meant that he could not throw "blow everyone out of the water" money at him and sign him quickly. In spring training he said Theo kicked his butt in the off season. Now he says he faked Crawford interest to drive up the price. This from a guy who basically bid against himself for C.C. It worked out well for the Yanks.....so far. It is just gamesmanship both sides play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 I am not sure Cashman "decided he did not want him". Chasing Cliff Lee, the Jeter contract disrespect by both the FO and fanbase along with awaiting Andy's retirement decision meant that he could not throw "blow everyone out of the water" money at him and sign him quickly. In spring training he said Theo kicked his butt in the off season. Now he says he faked Crawford interest to drive up the price. This from a guy who basically bid against himself for C.C. It worked out well for the Yanks.....so far. Cashman said he didn't want him. I trust him lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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