Can't blame Sanchez for this loss..

[Integrity28]

But even your change is wrong. He's not tied with Henne. He's statistically better than Henne across the board.

Interesting tidbit for Brady, Fitz, Sanchez, and Henne.

Brady & Fitz have been sacked a combined 4 times while Henne has been sacked 11 times and Sanchez 9.

Ugh.

And those are just the sack numbers... would love to see the amount of hurries and knockdowns.

[jetsjetsjetss]

no that was me. But im also in class so i cant spend to much time seeing the stats in fear of being caught. But yea i wanted to see what mcelroy could do hell he may have sucked but idk its just a gut feeling.

[Klecko73isGod]

no that was me. But im also in class so i cant spend to much time seeing the stats in fear of being caught. But yea i wanted to see what mcelroy could do hell he may have sucked but idk its just a gut feeling.

Friendly piece of advice: you shouldn't trust your gut.

[RutgersJetFan]

Does Rutgers ever have anything positive to say???????

Revis is awesome?

[jason423]

But even your change is wrong. He's not tied with Henne. He's statistically better than Henne across the board.

Interesting tidbit for Brady, Fitz, Sanchez, and Henne.

Brady & Fitz have been sacked a combined 4 times while Henne has been sacked 11 times and Sanchez 9.

At the end of the Bills game, when Brady drove down and hit Welker for the score to tie things up he had all day to throw the football. Now part of that is a mediocre pass rush by the Bills, but the NE offensive line has really improved the last two years. They used to rely on Brady very often to bail them out but now they are actually protecting pretty well. The Jets O-Line on the other hand is going to be identical to the 2007 squad.

[SMC]

At the end of the Bills game, when Brady drove down and hit Welker for the score to tie things up he had all day to throw the football. Now part of that is a mediocre pass rush by the Bills, but the NE offensive line has really improved the last two years. They used to rely on Brady very often to bail them out but now they are actually protecting pretty well. The Jets O-Line on the other hand is going to be identical to the 2007 squad.

Agreed.

For the Jets, I think Baxter played well enough. The problem is that Hunter forgot how to play football. He's been consistently awful.

[ZachEY]

Your entire defense of our QB is based around an emoticon resembling the face of most fans when Sanchez drops back to pass.

[Barcs]

Everyone is to blame for this loss. Everyone. It's ludicrous to insist that a QB that plays like that shouldn't bear any of the responsibility.

Plays like what? Throwing 369 yards and having 3 TDs with a horrible o line? He was also a 1/2 yard shy of a 4th TD. Having a 62% completion percentage despite terrible play calling and dropped easy passes? Sanchez did his job, although I'll agree that pick was bad. The defense did not. Schotty could have been much better. The offensive line was bad. Sanchez played much better than Tom Brady yesterday. Blaming him for the loss is silly.

[Klecko73isGod]

Your entire defense of our QB is based around an emoticon resembling the face of most fans when Sanchez drops back to pass.

I'm not even really defending him. I'm simply pointing out the ridiculous inanity of the "has hasn't improved at all" argument.

[CTM]

Plays like what? Throwing 369 yards and having 3 TDs with a horrible o line? He was also a 1/2 yard shy of a 4th TD. Having a 62% completion percentage despite terrible play calling and dropped easy passes? Sanchez did his job, although I'll agree that pick was bad. The defense did not. Schotty could have been much better. The offensive line was bad. Sanchez played much better than Tom Brady yesterday. Blaming him for the loss is silly.

Come on.... 80 of those syards were on a screen and the last drive was against a prevent... Sanchez again went long stretches of the game looking like poop

the fact that the defense stunk doesn't mean sanchez couldn't have stunk too.. they are not mutually exclusive

[Matt39]

The entire offense sucks. The defense isn't much better. If you cant block or stop the run- you aren't a good football team.

The fact we need to run bootlegs to complete a pass is embarrassing. They've run the quick slant to death, teams realize this.

[Scott Dierking]

It is hard took awesome when you have 300 lb behemoths in your face and hanging on you. The line did a bad job in the 2nd half allowing Sanchez time and vision.

Overall, beside one very stupid decision, Sanchez had a good game.

That said, the team lost, so let's keep things in perspective.

[RutgersJetFan]

Plays like what? Throwing 369 yards and having 3 TDs with a horrible o line? He was also a 1/2 yard shy of a 4th TD. Having a 62% completion percentage despite terrible play calling and dropped easy passes?

Oh stop it with this. 12 of his 27 completions were to Greene and Tomlinson. About 50% of his yardage came from that as well. That's pathetic, regardless of who you'd like to blame.

[Scott Dierking]

They've run the quick slant to death, teams realize this.

You mean like teams do to the Jets

[SMC]

Come on.... 80 of those syards were on a screen and the last drive was against a prevent... Sanchez again went long stretches of the game looking like poop

the fact that the defense stunk doesn't mean sanchez couldn't have stunk too.. they are not mutually exclusive

I'll give you the prevent, but discounting the screen yardage is just plain stupid. Seriously. A lot of QBs get big yard totals off of YACs. Brady lives off it.

[RutgersJetFan]

Come on.... 80 of those syards were on a screen and the last drive was against a prevent... Sanchez again went long stretches of the game looking like poop

the fact that the defense stunk doesn't mean sanchez couldn't have stunk too.. they are not mutually exclusive

After 3 games, I think this is my biggest problem. When he doesn't have a good series, it tends to look horrific and snowball into subsequent series. That type of inconsistency will murder you when your defense has a bad day, and expecting them to pitch a shut-out or even 2-runner every single week is simply unreasonable. This is an offensive league, with offensively geared rules and offensively geared officials.

[JustInFudge]

Come on.... 80 of those syards were on a screen and the last drive was against a prevent... Sanchez again went long stretches of the game looking like poop

the fact that the defense stunk doesn't mean sanchez couldn't have stunk too.. they are not mutually exclusive

Oh stop it with this. 12 of his 27 completions were to Greene and Tomlinson. About 50% of his yardage came from that as well. That's pathetic, regardless of who you'd like to blame.

Damned if you do. He was taking what the defense was giving. The first drives when they were in man, he hit everyone. When they switched to zone and our offense coordinator had no answer...he was hitting the RB's and Mason. Cant kill him for that. Our OC thought it was a good idea to run plays that sent receivers in the heart of the zone, right where they want you to throw. Guy were doubled in a ******* zone because our offense is that easy to read. Couple that with no time, zero running game...what the **** did you expect Sanchez to do? Throw down field for more picks? Please.

[Scott Dierking]

Damned if you do. He was taking what the defense was giving. The first drives when they were in man, he hit everyone. When they switched to zone and our offense coordinator had no answer...he was hitting the RB's and Mason. Cant kill him for that. Our OC thought it was a good idea to run plays that sent receivers in the heart of the zone, right where they want you to throw. Guy were doubled in a ******* zone because our offense is that easy to read. Couple that with no time, zero running game...what the **** did you expect Sanchez to do? Throw down field for more picks? Please.

The Jets defense would not have given upo so many yards on the ground if it were not for some misdirection plays and a couple of big gainers

Anyone can do this.

[Matt39]

Sanchez is limited physically...he isnt Big Ben or Rodgers obviously. But the line stinks, Greene is horrendous, the defense cant get off the field....I mean, what were your expectations of him yesterday?

[RutgersJetFan]

Damned if you do. He was taking what the defense was giving. The first drives when they were in man, he hit everyone. When they switched to zone and our offense coordinator had no answer...he was hitting the RB's and Mason. Cant kill him for that. Our OC thought it was a good idea to run plays that sent receivers in the heart of the zone, right where they want you to throw. Guy were doubled in a ******* zone because our offense is that easy to read. Couple that with no time, zero running game...what the **** did you expect Sanchez to do? Throw down field for more picks? Please.

Of course the defense was giving that to them. That's what defenses give QB's and lines who are playing that poorly. That Greene and Tomlinson stretched a couple of them isn't a credit to Sanchez at all.

I just don't see how anyone who watched that game yesterday can sit back and conclude that Sanchez played well. Really. It's just bizarre at this point.

[Scott Dierking]

Of course the defense was giving that to them. That's what defenses give QB's and lines who are playing that poorly. That Greene and Tomlinson stretched a couple of them isn't a credit to Sanchez at all.

Thew TD pass to Burress was about as perfect as you can throw the ball in that spot-where the cb was playing him.

[SMC]

Oh stop it with this. 12 of his 27 completions were to Greene and Tomlinson. About 50% of his yardage came from that as well. That's pathetic, regardless of who you'd like to blame.

Well, 14 of his 43 passes were to Tomlinson & Greene. So 67% of his passes were attempted to other receivers. Mason had the most targets at 10, with 6 receptions. Keller had the second most targets at 9 with 5 receptions.

Regardless, it's interesting that last year Sanchez was criticized for not checking down or throwing to the open guy and now he's doing it and getting criticized for it.

[Scott Dierking]

Of course the defense was giving that to them. That's what defenses give QB's and lines who are playing that poorly. That Greene and Tomlinson stretched a couple of them isn't a credit to Sanchez at all.

I just don't see how anyone who watched that game yesterday can sit back and conclude that Sanchez played well. Really. It's just bizarre at this point.

You terribly miscalculate the part that the qb plays in timing screen passes, leading receivers and putting them in position to make football moves.

[RutgersJetFan]

Thew TD pass to Burress was about as perfect as you can throw the ball in that spot-where the cb was playing him.

And? This is proof of what? That Sanchez tends to make 1 great play that winds up being sandwiched in between several bad ones? Good, great. Thanks for clearing that up. Hadn't noticed that previously.

[Scott Dierking]

And? This is proof of what? That Sanchez tends to make 1 great play that winds up being sandwiched in between several bad ones? Good, great. Thanks for clearing that up. Hadn't noticed that previously.

It shows capabilities and that he is not a finished product.

If you want to be snarky about things, guess you didn't realize that player development is a process. Especially for qbs

[Klecko73isGod]

Well, 14 of his 43 passes were to Tomlinson & Greene. So 67% of his passes were attempted to other receivers. Mason had the most targets at 10, with 6 receptions. Keller had the second most targets at 9 with 5 receptions.

Regardless, it's interesting that last year Sanchez was criticized for not checking down or throwing to the open guy and now he's doing it and getting criticized for it.

I love it how the bar keeps moving. Last year his completion percentage was too low and he didn't check down enough. Now he's checking down and his completion percentage is up so he gets no credit for the passing yards.

[JustInFudge]

Of course the defense was giving that to them. That's what defenses give QB's and lines who are playing that poorly. That Greene and Tomlinson stretched a couple of them isn't a credit to Sanchez at all.

I just don't see how anyone who watched that game yesterday can sit back and conclude that Sanchez played well. Really. It's just bizarre at this point.

Never said he played well, surely dont think he played "bad" but killing the kid for utilizing his Rb's when the defense was playing a zone that was taking away any down field routes, is bizarre.

[RutgersJetFan]

It shows capabilities and that he is not a finished product.

Improvement! We can build on this!

[RutgersJetFan]

Never said he played well, surely dont think he played "bad" but killing the kid for utilizing his Rb's when the defense was playing a zone that was taking away any down field routes, is bizarre.

Praising conventional stats when the context is that blatantly obvious is just benign at this point.

[SMC]

Never said he played well, surely dont think he played "bad" but killing the kid for utilizing his Rb's when the defense was playing a zone that was taking away any down field routes, is bizarre.

This, 100 times over.

Rutgers, this is the issue, at least for me. I get your overall criticism, but at least in this thread you're killing Sanchez for what he is supposed to be doing.

[Aten]

you're killing Sanchez for what he is supposed to be doing.

Once again a central precept of Penningtology is dusted off to defend Sanchez.

[RutgersJetFan]

This, 100 times over.

Rutgers, this is the issue, at least for me. I get your overall criticism, but at least in this thread you're killing Sanchez for what he is supposed to be doing.

Yes, because it's really that simple. How poorly he was executing everything else had nothing to do with him having to consistently screen or check down.

[RutgersJetFan]

Once again a central precept of Penningtology is dusted off to defend Sanchez.

IMPROVEMENT.

[JetsFanInDenver]

I love it how the bar keeps moving. Last year his completion percentage was too low and he didn't check down enough. Now he's checking down and his completion percentage is up so he gets no credit for the passing yards.

Not to mention he is doing all of this behind a line that's as porous as a sieve.

If other teams keep getting to Sanchez like they have in the first 3 games his chances of playing the entire season greatly diminish.

[Aten]

IMPROVEMENT.

He's only 24, you know.