Darkvarg Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 How is it Possible anyone, let alone Vlad, can be worst than this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkvarg Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 You can't get much worst than being rated 70 out of 72 Tackles in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 The whole thing is just bizarre. Hunter was always ranked consistently well on PFF's metrics. And they certainly matched up with what was going on during the games. I've just never seen an o-lineman completely drop off to this degree. Even factoring in a larger role and a decreased period of time during the offseason, it still makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 The whole thing is just bizarre. Hunter was always ranked consistently well on PFF's metrics. And they certainly matched up with what was going on during the games. I've just never seen an o-lineman completely drop off to this degree. Even factoring in a larger role and a decreased period of time during the offseason, it still makes no sense. Space Jam is the only thing I could come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Space Jam is the only thing I could come up with. If that means Bill Murray is going to be on the field next week, then this has all been worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Did he miss a steroid cycle or something? He was quality last year and now we can just hope he is a JAG since he's been absolutely awful. He's the primary reason Sanchez is getting killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Darkvarg, thanks for this thread. If you don't mind, I'm going to post your screencap of the whole offense ranking: Hunter is literally the worst player on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Hunter is literally the worst player on offense. Meanwhile, Ducasse is better than Brunell, Mangold, Cumberland, Kerley, McKnight, Mason, Holmes, Greene, Slauson, Moore and Baxter. THE NUMBERS SAY SO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I still have hope. I think he was better this week. I see they gave him "credit" for two sacks. The Jets use some odd blocking schemes so it's hard to follow on TV, but I'm not so sure they were both his fault. There was one where he blocked his man toward the middle of the field while the guard and center doubled somebody else and after a fairly long time the man he was blocking got loose and ran past the center who was doubling somebody else. It was the kind of play where the sack "may" be Hunter's fault, but I think he did the job he was assigned as well as can be expected. If he just gets a little better we may start getting somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I gotta side with RJF, this is completely bizarre to see a fluctuation this large. But not one is reading my words anyways so I'll say this to Sanchez in fear of what Ngata/R.Lewis are going to do to him: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkvarg Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 Darkvarg, thanks for this thread. If you don't mind, I'm going to post your screencap of the whole offense ranking: Hunter is literally the worst player on offense. It's cool... Go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I gotta side with RJF, this is completely bizarre to see a fluctuation this large. But not one is reading my words anyways so I'll say this to Sanchez in fear of what Ngata/R.Lewis are going to do to him: I object! I always read your words. I just feel more comfortable that they are truly yours when they are a caption on a Spider Man photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkvarg Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 Darkvarg, thanks for this thread. If you don't mind, I'm going to post your screencap of the whole offense ranking: Hunter is literally the worst player on offense. He's been on only 6 plays all year so you can't really conclude anything on that, also they're rated on different aspects of their game so comparing him to other players who play other position is irrelevant... My point is that Hunter is obviously not working out so why not give Vlad a chance at the very worst he'll be just as bad as Hunter and at least maybe he'll boost the running game. idk i just dont get why this guy is still out there as bad as he's been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 The whole thing is just bizarre. Hunter was always ranked consistently well on PFF's metrics. And they certainly matched up with what was going on during the games. I've just never seen an o-lineman completely drop off to this degree. Even factoring in a larger role and a decreased period of time during the offseason, it still makes no sense. I think its just the fact that Hunter has never been that good. He was awful early in his career to the point where he thought his career was over. He did ok with the Jets the last two years, but 2009 was mainly a play here and a play there against guys that had been playing all game so Im not sure how much that even holds. Last year he played a more significant role but only started a few games. Maybe teams just watched film of the playoffs and found something that was being missed last season. Could be the lockout to. You take a career end of the bench guy and for the first time in his life make him play almost 100% of the snaps in September that maybe his body just is not prepared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 He's been on only 6 plays all year so you can't really conclude anything on that, also they're rated on different aspects of their game so comparing him to other players who play other position is irrelevant... My point is that Hunter is obviously not working out so why not give Vlad a chance at the very worst he'll be just as bad as Hunter and at least maybe he'll boost the running game. idk i just dont get why this guy is still out there as bad as he's been. I think the team has a bigger fear factor with Ducasse, but I think that will soon be overcome by the fact that Hunter gives the exact same fear factor. Both will probably get Sanchez killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Did he miss a steroid cycle or something? He was quality last year and now we can just hope he is a JAG since he's been absolutely awful. He's the primary reason Sanchez is getting killed. Sanchez... 3 games, 2 head injuries. Almost a concussion vs. Dallas. Broken nose vs. Oakland. Seriously, this is a problem. I don't care what side of the Sanchez debate people are on.... we have NOTHING but a 4 win season on the bench behind him, if he gets hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I think its just the fact that Hunter has never been that good. He was awful early in his career to the point where he thought his career was over. He did ok with the Jets the last two years, but 2009 was mainly a play here and a play there against guys that had been playing all game so Im not sure how much that even holds. Last year he played a more significant role but only started a few games. Maybe teams just watched film of the playoffs and found something that was being missed last season. Could be the lockout to. You take a career end of the bench guy and for the first time in his life make him play almost 100% of the snaps in September that maybe his body just is not prepared. This isn't true. He's been well-rated for the past 2 years. And even if you're comparing the limited time from last season, you're talking about only 3 games so far, stretches for which he'd played previously and played well. As previously stated, the lockout and increased role are so disproportionate to a drop-off of this magnitude; they're just not good enough explanations for the disparity. Something is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkvarg Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 I think the team has a bigger fear factor with Ducasse, but I think that will soon be overcome by the fact that Hunter gives the exact same fear factor. Both will probably get Sanchez killed. Well at least get him killed with your 2nd round pick rather than with a Jag that you picked up of the scrap heap and are trying to convince everyone is a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 This isn't true. He's been well-rated for the past 2 years. And even if you're comparing the limited time from last season, you're talking about only 3 games so far, stretches for which he'd played previously and played well. As previously stated, the lockout and increased role are so disproportionate to a drop-off of this magnitude; they're just not good enough explanations for the disparity. Something is up. In addition to the rest, it could be Moore. Moore wasn't around, they haven't practiced or played much together and Moore probably still isn't up to speed and can never cover for Hunter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkvarg Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 In addition to the rest, it could be Moore. Moore wasn't around, they haven't practiced or played much together and Moore probably still isn't up to speed and can never cover for Hunter. Also I don't think Moore is fully healed from his hip surgury so he may not be mobile enough to cover for Hunter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 In addition to the rest, it could be Moore. Moore wasn't around, they haven't practiced or played much together and Moore probably still isn't up to speed and can never cover for Hunter. This is the truth. Moore is off a hip injury, didn"t play in preseason, and just doesn't look the same. I don't think he is healed yet. He has Hunter on his right, and a rookie UDFA on his left. The right side of the line is in deep poo poo. Perhaps Moore will get healthier which will help. So far Hunter is a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 the 4 worst performers are the oline outside of brick this offense is going nowhere until that changes (duh) and if it doesn't change soon, this will be 1999 redux yeah, I said it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barcs Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Those stats can be misleading, depending on certain scenarios, but I do agree that Hunter has looked bad. I've seen him catch penalties, blow blocking assignments and get manhandled. Where's the Hunter who played for in the playoffs last year? Was he just lucky, or has he really deteriorated that much over the course of 6 months? I'd really like to see us trade or somehow acquire somebody better to fill that spot. I don't trust Vlad yet, but it really needs to be addressed before Sanchez ends up on the IR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Normally I put no credence in any thread that rates OL, or stat based. Problem is my eyes tell me the same thing. hunter is playing like crap. Both in the passing game, and the run. The Jets must have some confidence in Vlad I guess, he's the only back up OT on the roster. I hope he's close to being ready. if he isn't Sanchez is going to have an abbreviated season. There are no FA's out there that will be able to start. As far as a trade goes, who is going to trade a starting tackle? There's no point in trading for another back up who isn't familiar with the system. Perhaps there is a problem child out there like with Holmes, and Edwards, but I don't know of any. We seem to be stuck with Hunter, and Vlad. Mark, we hardly even knew ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 This isn't true. He's been well-rated for the past 2 years. And even if you're comparing the limited time from last season, you're talking about only 3 games so far, stretches for which he'd played previously and played well. As previously stated, the lockout and increased role are so disproportionate to a drop-off of this magnitude; they're just not good enough explanations for the disparity. Something is up. Why would it be realistic for a backup QB or RB to put together a few good games and then completely fall apart when given a starters job, but not for a guy like Hunter. The guy has been in the NFL since 2003 and he was still practice squad eligible as late as 2007. Hes been a jag his whole career. His sample size as a starter is so incredibly small that Im not sure there is much you can really draw from it other than he showed enough promise to be given a chance to be the starter for the next two years. Plus didnt he rate just as bad last year for the season according to PFF? Its not like the Jets paid him a huge sum of money either. I would think hes well below average for a starting tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 one possible reason he looked decent last year was he had a healthy moore on one side, and sometimes had a good blocker in hartsock on the other, and he was "fresh legs" when a lot of DE's were weary from playing 12 games or whatever I think the jets miss hartsock as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 In addition to the rest, it could be Moore. Moore wasn't around, they haven't practiced or played much together and Moore probably still isn't up to speed and can never cover for Hunter. Also I don't think Moore is fully healed from his hip surgury so he may not be mobile enough to cover for Hunter. This is a good nobody's really talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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