Matt39 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet27 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 this is typical of our OC strategy...seen this so many times its old already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 it was a curious call. even more curious? why not hit McKnight who has an 8yd cushion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoping4ASuperBowl Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 it was a curious call. even more curious? why not hit McKnight who has an 8yd cushion? Sanchez obviously doesn't trust, let alone see McKnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 SOJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 it was a curious call. even more curious? why not hit McKnight who has an 8yd cushion? What, its not better to throw it to the guy thats double covered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Oh my god, thank you for finding it! That is EXACTLY the play I was talking about on the report card that week. I could have sworn my eyes were deceiving me... but no, WHAT A FREAKIN ABSURD PLAY CALL!!!!! WTF was he thinking??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Somebody posted this already. There's nothing wrong with the call. It's an easy first down if Sanchez doesn't blow a simple read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 Somebody posted this already. There's nothing wrong with the call. It's an easy first down if Sanchez doesn't blow a simple read. Mccourty makes the tackle well before the sticks if McKnight catches the dig. Pats arent playing a deep safety either. Its a horrendously designed play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Somebody posted this already. There's nothing wrong with the call. It's an easy first down if Sanchez doesn't blow a simple read. You mean if he hits McKnight? That was his last read on the play, wasn't it? He's got 5 targets, only the last of which is going to get him a 1st there... and even then, it's going to require McKnight to make a play because NOBODY is beyond the chains. Edit: looking at it again, I think Matt might be right.. I'm not sure McKnight even gets the 1st there, it's a possibility, but that's about it. This is not 3rd and 15 dude. Having a couple of those 5 receivers run a route longer than 5 yards isn't that dangerous at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Mccourty makes the tackle well before the sticks if McKnight catches the dig. Pats arent playing a deep safety either. Its a horrendously designed play. Maybe McCourty makes the tackle, maybe he doesn't. That's not a dig. Patriots are in cover-3. This is a horrendously conceived thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 Maybe McCourty makes the tackle, maybe he doesn't. That's not a dig. Patriots are in cover-3. This is a horrendously conceived thread. What the hell is McKnight running then? Buttonhook, dig...same difference. 5 guys running a yard short of the first down maker on a 3rd and makeable with no deep safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Maybe McCourty makes the tackle, maybe he doesn't. That's not a dig. Patriots are in cover-3. This is a horrendously conceived thread. How is it a good call? They are sitting all over the chains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 You mean if he hits McKnight? That was his last read on the play, wasn't it? He's got 5 targets, only the last of which is going to get him a 1st there... and even then, it's going to require McKnight to make a play because NOBODY is beyond the chains. Edit: looking at it again, I think Matt might be right.. I'm not sure McKnight even gets the 1st there, it's a possibility, but that's about it. This is not 3rd and 15 dude. Having a couple of those 5 receivers run a route longer than 5 yards isn't that dangerous at all. It's not a progression read. It's either/or. The throw is to the flat against odd coverage, to the seam against even coverage. Sanchez starts out looking left because he likes to throw head fakes, not because the play was going that way. McCourty has to break back and is going to hit McKnight, not squarely, about a yard from the sticks. That's going to convert more often than not. You guys keep saying deeper routes like nobody ever thought of that before. It's third down. You send the receivers deeper, the windows get tighter, and the quarterback's an idiot, so what do you suppose happens then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 What the hell is McKnight running then? Buttonhook, dig...same difference. 5 guys running a yard short of the first down maker on a 3rd and makeable with no deep safety. No deep safety, no deep safety, derp derp derpderp. Please stop with the jargon because you are the suck at it. When people talk about whether or not there is 'a' deep safety, they're talking about man coverage. On this play, the Patriots are playing zone with four underneath and the strong safety and corners playing over the top in thirds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ37/12 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Maybe McCourty makes the tackle, maybe he doesn't. That's not a dig. Patriots are in cover-3. This is a horrendously conceived thread. cover 3, are you sure?? 1. you cannot see the backfield 2. #44 Ihedibo is doubling Kerley in the slot, not cover 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Sanchez starts out looking left because he likes to throw head fakes, not because the play was going that way. I've never heard it put like that, but it's true. Sanchez was looking one way, and then shifts, but he does so only when he's actually holding the ball like he's ready to throw. You knew he was never going to throw the way he was looking. He had one guy in mind, who was doubled, and he threw it to him anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Really? You think this is a good play to run in this down and distance?? Well now it is confirmed, sh*tty does post here. Sweet, now I can tell him, sh*tty you suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 The playcall is bad if Sanchez is making the correct read. Having 4 guys all coming back as soon as they hit the first down marker allows the defense to just bunch up in a short zone and make a first down impossible. But Sanchez also looks off the other side of the field way too fast. The defenders are actually backpedaling and reading the QB. If you continue to look at Burress and Holmes those Patriots are going to continue to drop into coverage leaving a better chance to hit either Keller or McKnight for the first down. The way that defense was set his real read there should be to either Holmes or Burress on the mid slant (though the Pats did look like someone was dropping underneath for Burress). Either way it has a better chance of working if he keeps his eyes on that side of the field longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 cover 3, are you sure?? 1. you cannot see the backfield 2. #44 Ihedibo is doubling Kerley in the slot, not cover 3 Ihedibo is not doubling Kerley, he's playing a zone and steps up on Kerley only as Sanchez begins to throw. Aten is right, the play there is hit McKnight and then expect your running back to fall forward, if not make a CB miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ37/12 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Ihedibo is not doubling Kerley, he's playing a zone and steps up on Kerley only as Sanchez begins to throw. Aten is right, the play there is hit McKnight and then expect your running back to fall forward, if not make a CB miss. I agree the correct throw is to McNight, just not sure on the coverage. A safety in the box usually means something other than cover 3, you do not have two people in the same zone. It looks like cover 1 with a single high safety. The lbs look to be man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I agree the correct throw is to McNight, just not sure on the coverage. A safety in the box usually means something other than cover 3, you do not have two people in the same zone. It looks like cover 1 with a single high safety. The lbs look to be man. Both outside CBs are running deep up the field. McCourty does it clearly at the bottom of the screen and whoever the guy is on the top of the screen runs way off burress, leaving the inside DB with Holmes and Burress down low. There's a DB deep out of frame too I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ37/12 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Both outside CBs are running deep up the field. McCourty does it clearly at the bottom of the screen and whoever the guy is on the top of the screen runs way off burress, leaving the inside DB with Holmes and Burress down low. There's a DB deep out of frame too I believe. correct. both corners appear to be in 1/3 zone. there are 10 guys in the picture which leaves one safety deep middle. they could very well be in cover 3, or 1, or man under. too hard to tell from that gif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 It's a bad designed play. It's also a bad job by Sanchez because, like he was prone to do, I think he made up his mind he was going to Kerley no matter what. That looking left was just a ruse that was poorly executed by him. Note, that's a similar situation to what happened in the endzone the following week with Sanchez ignoring McKnight and throwing it to Keller, who he missed by 3 feet anyway. Schitty & Sanchez are really Dumb & Dumber. But since Dumber is much younger and has less a history of failure than Dumb, you hope that with a Smart, Dumber would be not so dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 It's a bad designed play. It's also a bad job by Sanchez because, like he was prone to do, I think he made up his mind he was going to Kerley no matter what. That looking left was just a ruse that was poorly executed by him. Note, that's a similar situation to what happened in the endzone the following week with Sanchez ignoring McKnight and throwing it to Keller, who he missed by 3 feet anyway. Schitty & Sanchez are really Dumb & Dumber. But since Dumber is much younger and has less a history of failure than Dumb, you hope that with a Smart, Dumber would be not so dumb. I mean its a 3 step drop- what is he supposed to do when everyone is essentially running the same pattern? The playcall is severely limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 this has been debated before.. I think Sanchez made the worst possible decision, and that a play to McNight would've resulted in a first.. but i still think there should've beena a clearing route run for the primary read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ37/12 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 the play call is horrible, even beli made fun of this call after the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSJets Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 The defensive players covering the middle of the field are all backpedaling to the first down and stopping. Horrible play design, as usual. It's so easy to defend our offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Sanchez comes out of the huddle already knowing where he will throw the ball. Guys doubled? No big deal he will get them next set of downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 Sanchez comes out of the huddle already knowing where he will throw the ball. Guys doubled? No big deal he will get them next set of downs. Its a 3 step one read throw though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Its a 3 step one read throw though. He should have noticed that the outside receiver had the edge. Where he threw the ball no matter caught or not it wasn't going to be a first down. Sanchez is getting worse every game. At least it seems so to me., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 it was a curious call. even more curious? why not hit McKnight who has an 8yd cushion? Sanchez obviously doesn't trust, let alone see McKnight. This. Snchz sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Its a 3 step one read throw though. no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 Then he should have noticed that the outside receiver had the edge. Where he threw the ball no matter caught or not it wasn't going to be a first down. Sanchez is getting worse every game. At least it seems so to me., He'd have to guess that McKnight was open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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