T0mShane Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Victor Cruz: 55 catches, 957 yards, 7 TDs in 2 starts. Santonio Holmes: 37 catches, 494 yards, 5 TDs in 11 starts. Couldn't believe it when I looked it up last night. Whose fault is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Eli is awesome, the Giants passing tree is phenomenal....the routes they run are down the field and precise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 More like Eli Manning vs Mark Sanchez. The only thing these two guys have in common is they are from New York. Eli Manning is 3 times better than Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 One is working in a system where WR routes are well-designed. The other is working in Brian Schottenheimer's system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 One is working in a system where WR routes are well-designed. The other is working in Brian Schottenheimer's system. Its a combination of that....the Giants spread the field very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 More like Eli Manning vs Mark Sanchez. The only thing these two guys have in common is they are from New York. Eli Manning is 3 times better than Sanchez. Right.......Because Santonio is constantly running around the field uncovered. As mentioned above, the Giants receivers run precise routes and their plays are designed to fool the D and get WR's open. Our guys are told to run 5 yard hooks on 3rd and 7 and run "drift" routes any other time where they basically jog down the sideline. We haven't had a receiver open all year the way Cruz was last night and is quite regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Victor Cruz: 55 catches, 957 yards, 7 TDs in 2 starts. Santonio Holmes: 37 catches, 494 yards, 5 TDs in 11 starts. Couldn't believe it when I looked it up last night. Whose fault is this? Oh you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Victor Cruz: 55 catches, 957 yards, 7 TDs in 2 starts. Santonio Holmes: 37 catches, 494 yards, 5 TDs in 11 starts. Couldn't believe it when I looked it up last night. Whose fault is this? Sanchez's fault, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Tannenbaum's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Victor Cruz: 55 catches, 957 yards, 7 TDs in 2 starts. Santonio Holmes: 37 catches, 494 yards, 5 TDs in 11 starts. Couldn't believe it when I looked it up last night. Whose fault is this? During the Saints game someone said something abouit a QB being accurate and that helping YAC. Is this true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Right.......Because Santonio is constantly running around the field uncovered. As mentioned above, the Giants receivers run precise routes and their plays are designed to fool the D and get WR's open. Our guys are told to run 5 yard hooks on 3rd and 7 and run "drift" routes any other time where they basically jog down the sideline. We haven't had a receiver open all year the way Cruz was last night and is quite regularly. Ever play that game where you tell your friend to "go deep" and then wave bye bye to him after he runs that pattern and drop the ball on the ground laughing? Thats what it's like to be a Jets reciever. How many great routes you gonna run just to jump high for the ball, watch it hit the ground, watch it go over your head or watch one of the three men covering you catch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 During the Saints game someone said something abouit a QB being accurate and that helping YAC. Is this true? I used to think that was true, but considering it came from one of the MNF commentators, I'm starting to lean towards no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I used to think that was true, but considering it came from one of the MNF commentators, I'm starting to lean towards no. Good. I would hate to think Sanchez throwing accuracy of trying to pee with a boner has any ill effect on the play of his wideouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 What is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Holmes like the DBs covering him too much. So he sticks to them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Eli is awesome, the Giants passing tree is phenomenal....the routes they run are down the field and precise. Whats funny about this is that the whole reason Cruz never saw the field, prior to injuries/this season, was because he doesnt run precise routes. lol. Manning > Sanchez - thats it, thats all. Just look at Plax with Eli and this story is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 We haven't had a receiver open all year the way Cruz was last night and is quite regularly. Plax and Keller were pretty open on a couple of TD's last Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaJetsFan Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 or watch one of the three men covering you catch it. In fairness, Marky did throw into 4 man coverages several times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Whats funny about this is that the whole reason Cruz never saw the field, prior to injuries/this season, was because he doesnt run precise routes. lol. Manning > Sanchez - thats it, thats all. Just look at Plax with Eli and this story is over. Cruz is in his second year and was hurt all of last season. He's played all season. Plax is on pace for 10+ TD's and hasnt played a down in two years. Gilbride runs a distinct down the field passing offense that's extremely well executed by Eli and his receivers. I can't be the only one that notices Santonio never open down the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Victor Cruz: 55 catches, 957 yards, 7 TDs in 2 starts. Santonio Holmes: 37 catches, 494 yards, 5 TDs in 11 starts. Couldn't believe it when I looked it up last night. Whose fault is this? schotty's fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 What was the reason we didn't have any WR's with gaudy #'s when Favre was here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Eli is awesome, the Giants passing tree is phenomenal....the routes they run are down the field and precise. It's funny because I've heard fans and media whine that it's too complicated. I'm a fan of Gilbride and that offense though...Now they're in. As far as the WRs...Cruz:Eli while Holmes:Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Victor Cruz: 55 catches, 957 yards, 7 TDs in 2 starts. Santonio Holmes: 37 catches, 494 yards, 5 TDs in 11 starts. Couldn't believe it when I looked it up last night. Whose fault is this? Cruz is more talented than Holmes. Holmes is a high end #2. Cruz has #1 potential. Eli is more experienced than Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 It's funny because I've heard fans and media whine that it's too complicated. I'm a fan of Gilbride and that offense though...Now they're in. As far as the WRs...Cruz:Eli while Holmes:Sanchez. Eli is the gymrat QB...Sanchez isnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newyorkgiants10 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 what is really solid for the giants besides the offensive scheme they are in is that they have alot of talent at wideout.. Nicks/Cruz/Manningham then they are trying to get ramses barden going who could be really solid.. the guy is ******* huge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Cruz is in his second year and was hurt all of last season. He's played all season. Plax is on pace for 10+ TD's and hasnt played a down in two years. Gilbride runs a distinct down the field passing offense that's extremely well executed by Eli and his receivers. I can't be the only one that notices Santonio never open down the field. I've seen Holmes open down field...Ive seen Kerley open down field....I've seen Plax open down field. Unfortunately, most of the time Mark Sanchez doesnt. While I think its probably mostly on the model, Schitty offense is obviously a factor. Its just a$$ backwards. The Giants compliment a power running game the right way, with a vertical passing attack. The Jets do it the wrong way, by having a short yardage ball control passing attack. Its a combo of both, but I'd put more on the model. Cruz is more talented than Holmes. Holmes is a high end #2. Cruz has #1 potential. Eli is more experienced than Sanchez. Please, a UDFA is not more talented the Holmes...thats silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 It has to be the OC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 One is working in a system where WR routes are well-designed. The other is working in Brian Schottenheimer's system. Best profile pic, EVER!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Eli is the gymrat QB...Sanchez isnt Ah the new thing this week is going to be Sanchez's work ethic? Let's tie in Schitty. He gets his work ethic FROM Schitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 One is working in a system where WR routes are well-designed. The other is working in Brian Schottenheimer's system. This ! and once again Holmes has had 1 really good season the rest is JAG material. One SB game does not define a career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I've seen Holmes open down field...Ive seen Kerley open down field....I've seen Plax open down field. Unfortunately, most of the time Mark Sanchez doesnt. While I think its probably mostly on the model, Schitty offense is obviously a factor. Its just a$$ backwards. The Giants compliment a power running game the right way, with a vertical passing attack. The Jets do it the wrong way, by having a short yardage ball control passing attack. Its a combo of both, but I'd put more on the model. Please, a UDFA is not more talented the Holmes...thats silly. You see them open down field I see them covered . I also see teams relentlessly jumping our routes wonder why that is ? predictability maybe ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 What was the reason we didn't have any WR's with gaudy #'s when Favre was here? Bottom line is this team has done a horrible job in the WR department for years and its still doing the same crap. Look at the giants crop of WR's they are much better than ours and younger as well built in the draft. They let Smith go to the Eagles and Cruz steps right in. The Giants not having Bradshaw has hurt them offensively and its hurt Eli as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 You see them open down field I see them covered . I also see teams relentlessly jumping our routes wonder why that is ? predictability maybe ? Because they know Sanchez locks on his recievers and throws the ball into coverage regulary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Because they know Sanchez locks on his recievers and throws the ball into coverage regulary? you know what Crush I would love to know how people can tell Sanchez is locking on his receivers. We dont have film to study and I think its getting to the point people make sh*t up just to bash the kid. The routes are being jumped in zone coverage maybe Sanchez sees this and is becoming gun shy were certainly not adjusting. I think were talking about a really poorly designed offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 You see them open down field I see them covered . I also see teams relentlessly jumping our routes wonder why that is ? predictability maybe ? Late eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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