JohnnyHector Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Now nobody will trade for him, and he'll sign with the Knicks. It's about time they screwed the Lakers, thank you David Stern! He was never signing with the Knicks unless he were to be traded here with his Bird Rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Knicks were going to flip Turiaf for one of the trade exceptions the Lakers were to receive in the Paul deal but that's dead now obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 He was never signing with the Knicks unless he were to be traded here with his Bird Rights. So if nobody trades for him, you think he is going to resign with the Sterns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 So if nobody trades for him, you think he is going to resign with the Sterns? No, I think he'll sign with a team that can offer him a max- or near-max starting salary as a UFA, which puts the Knicks out of the running, save for the highly unlikely scenario in which Amar'e and Melo were to agree to a renegotiated extension in which they add years (but little to no money) to spread out the money and lower the cap hit. Of course, signing Chandler closes the door to the above scenario anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Was this Paul deal really that bad? What am I missing here....wtf is Stern doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 No, I think he'll sign with a team that can offer him a max- or near-max starting salary as a UFA, which puts the Knicks out of the running, save for the highly unlikely scenario in which Amar'e and Melo were to agree to a renegotiated extension in which they add years (but little to no money) to spread out the money and lower the cap hit. Of course, signing Chandler closes the door to the above scenario anyhow. Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Was this Paul deal really that bad? What am I missing here....wtf is Stern doing? Cow Towing to the small market teams who are crying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Was this Paul deal really that bad? What am I missing here....wtf is Stern doing? I don't think it's that the deal was so bad for the Hornets so much as that it was so brazenly cannibalistic for the Lakers. Stern knows as well as anybody else that trying to stop the big markets from barreling small markets with expiring stars is ultimately futile, but letting L.A. convert Gasol and Odom into Paul and massive cap relief is just beyond the pale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 No, I think he'll sign with a team that can offer him a max- or near-max starting salary as a UFA, which puts the Knicks out of the running, save for the highly unlikely scenario in which Amar'e and Melo were to agree to a renegotiated extension in which they add years (but little to no money) to spread out the money and lower the cap hit. Of course, signing Chandler closes the door to the above scenario anyhow. Chandler closes lots of doors. He's fine, he certainly meets our biggest need, but honestly, how does being locked in to a core of Amare/Carmelo/Chandler for 50M a year end anywhere but Isiahtown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 I don't think it's that the deal was so bad for the Hornets so much as that it was so brazenly cannibalistic for the Lakers. Stern knows as well as anybody else that trying to stop the big markets from barreling small markets with expiring stars is ultimately futile, but letting L.A. convert Gasol and Odom into Paul and massive cap relief is just beyond the pale. I don't understand Houston's angle in this deal at all... they're giving up Scola, Martin, Dragic, and a #1 for Gasol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Chandler closes lots of doors. He's fine, he certainly meets our biggest need, but honestly, how does being locked in to a core of Amare/Carmelo/Chandler for 50M a year end anywhere but Isiahtown? Lots of prayer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Not totally understanding the outrage over the Lakers thing. Didn't the NBA get killed when Jerry West handed Gasol to LA for Kwame Brown? Lamar Odom sucks. A fair trade is Bynum for Paul. Anything less is a fleecing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 I don't think it's that the deal was so bad for the Hornets so much as that it was so brazenly cannibalistic for the Lakers. Stern knows as well as anybody else that trying to stop the big markets from barreling small markets with expiring stars is ultimately futile, but letting L.A. convert Gasol and Odom into Paul and massive cap relief is just beyond the pale. ^ Ah. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Chandler closes lots of doors. He's fine, he certainly meets our biggest need, but honestly, how does being locked in to a core of Amare/Carmelo/Chandler for 50M a year end anywhere but Isiahtown? I personally love the Chandler signing. But it definitely guarantees an entire season of "WTF IS D'ANTONI DOING???" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 "WTF IS D'ANTONI DOING???" Keeping the seat warm for Phil Jackson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Are the Knicks paying him 14 mill per or 10...Im seeing conflicting reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 I personally love the Chandler signing. But it definitely guarantees an entire season of "WTF IS D'ANTONI DOING???" Love the signing as our biggest need the last few years has been without a doubt a defensive center who can bang down low and get rebounds; that is exactly what chandler can do. Not only that, but he allows Amare'e to play his much preferred and natural 4 spot, which keeps him healthier, out of foul trouble and more effective. As for Stern, I hope he brought some lube when Cuban/Gilbert and the other owners bent him over and showed him the 50 states. From what I'm reading the owners basically said, we agree to this 50/50 split, we wanted 47%, we did this for you, now you do something for us. It's absolutely ridiculous, as this is the best offer NO is going to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Love the signing as our biggest need the last few years has been without a doubt a defensive center who can bang down low and get rebounds; that is exactly what chandler can do. Not only that, but he allows Amare'e to play his much preferred and natural 4 spot, which keeps him healthier, out of foul trouble and more effective. The only problem is that this team now is geared for an offensive game that should be the exact opposite of 7SOL. And based on D'Antoni's past two years he just isn't going to stray from that no matter who he has. We're going to have the best frontcourt in the East, maybe the league, and I can still see us just going break after break with Melo chucking it night in and night out. Can't say i agree with Aten on Isiah, but a midseason outrage is definitely inevitable at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Keeping the seat warm for Phil Jackson? Unless he goes Bono and has crazy European miracle back surgery, I just can't fathom how he'd come back. BTW, quote from Jackson last year after the league bought New Orleans: "Who's going to trade who to whom? Who's going to pull the button on trading player or when Chris [Paul] says he has to be traded? How's that going to go? I don't know. Somebody's going to have to make a very nonjudgmental decision on that part that's not going to irritate anybody else in this league ... I don't know how they're going to do that." The Hornets basketball decisions and day-to-day operations will continue to be controlled by team president Hugh Weber and general manager Dell Demps, but Jackson was skeptical any move made by New Orleans would be viewed as the league helping out another franchise. "That's what everybody is going to be afraid of: Who is going to be helping who out?" Jackson said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Unless he goes Bono and has crazy European miracle back surgery, I just can't fathom how he'd come back. Hey, my only hope for next football season is that miracle European neck surgery works, so why stop there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Hey, my only hope for next football season is that miracle European neck surgery works, so why stop there? ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 The only problem is that this team now is geared for an offensive game that should be the exact opposite of 7SOL. And based on D'Antoni's past two years he just isn't going to stray from that no matter who he has. We're going to have the best frontcourt in the East, maybe the league, and I can still see us just going break after break with Melo chucking it night in and night out. Can't say i agree with Aten on Isiah, but a midseason outrage is definitely inevitable at this point. It reminds me a bit of when the Nets replaced Kenyon Martin and Kerry Kittles with Vince Carter and the end of the Nets good run. The Nets had to scrap alot of their fast break offense and their back door Princeton half court set (which wasnt good anyway though that was as much a lack of talent level as anything else) because once the ball got into Carters hands it stopped moving and he was not going to break the way the other guys did. These guys are much more talented than those Nets players and it might be worth designing the "Melo halfcourt" to go with his 7SOL on other plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 The only problem is that this team now is geared for an offensive game that should be the exact opposite of 7SOL. And based on D'Antoni's past two years he just isn't going to stray from that no matter who he has. We're going to have the best frontcourt in the East, maybe the league, and I can still see us just going break after break with Melo chucking it night in and night out. Can't say i agree with Aten on Isiah, but a midseason outrage is definitely inevitable at this point. While I agree that our current roster is much better suited to a different coach, I was a bit impressed and or surprised with how D'an altered his offense with the arrival of Melo. We became much more of an iso, one-on-one kind of a team, which is something that Amare'e and Melo do better than most of the league, if not all the league, and was strictly frowned upon in Phoenix. I think D'an conceded the iso's are part of who Melo and Amare'e are and worked it into the offense a bit more. He's obviously still going to preach ball movement and spacing, but our isolation plays and post ups were considerable higher after Melo and CB joined the team and compared to the year prior, we were relying much more on spot-up's than the pick n roll. Granted that is due in large part to our lack of a PG, but I think he's capable of tweaking his gameplan a bit. I think the only thing D'an prefers more than winning with his system, is proving all his critics and haters wrong. If he can win while altering his system to his roster, you're gonna see a lot more of his "I just got a hand-jibber from your sister" post-game smile that you can't wipe off his face after a win. It's really going to be interesting to see what happens, but I'm really just excited to see Amare'e next to a real 5. I remember those couple months back when the Suns started playing Robin Lobez next to him, he was the best player in the league; just simply dominant. Oh yea, and we also need a point guard. And mike bibby sure as hell ain't the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 It's absolutely ridiculous, as this is the best offer NO is going to get. Seems as though they've come up with a better one already. So now Demps looks like a retard, of course, and Sterns comes off better than he should like all he did was drive a hard bargain, but still. That trade was terrible and the new and improved one is going to be terrible too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolphann4life Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Now nobody will trade for him, and he'll sign with the Knicks. It's about time they screwed the Lakers, thank you David Stern! hahahahahahahahahahahhahahaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 hahahahahahahahahahahhahahaa That funny? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolphann4life Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 That funny? Really? Damn right, all that CP3 talk blew up in your face. Stop being delusional thinking everyone will play for peanuts to play for the Knicks! Heat > Knicks Bulls > Knicks Celtics > Knicks Orlando > Knicks Atlanta > Knicks ^ Reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Damn right, all that CP3 talk blew up in your face. Stop being delusional thinking everyone will play for peanuts to play for the Knicks! Heat > Knicks Bulls > Knicks Celtics > Knicks Orlando > Knicks Atlanta > Knicks ^ Reality. I don't know about Atlanta, though. They lost key people and they barely had a better record than the Knicks last year. Don't disagree on Heat, Celtics, Bulls, or Orlando, though. Knicks are 5th in the East IMO, with a chance to battle the Magic for the 4th spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolphann4life Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 I don't know about Atlanta, though. They lost key people and they barely had a better record than the Knicks last year. Don't disagree on Heat, Celtics, Bulls, or Orlando, though. Knicks are 5th in the East IMO, with a chance to battle the Magic for the 4th spot. I could see the Knicks as high as 2 and as low as 6. We'll see how they play together. Main concern if i'm a knick fan is who is going to score while Melo and Amare are on the bench or in foul trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 I could see the Knicks as high as 2 and as low as 6. We'll see how they play together. Main concern if i'm a knick fan is who is going to score while Melo and Amare are on the bench or in foul trouble. Excellent point. That's my concern as well because the Knicks can't afford to have 1 of them on the floor at all times. They both will get worn out with this marathon season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolphann4life Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Excellent point. That's my concern as well because the Knicks can't afford to have 1 of them on the floor at all times. They both will get worn out with this marathon season. Only time i've really watched Tyson Chandler was in the Finals and it looks like his offensive game is put back and dunks, not sure if he's got a low post game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Damn right, all that CP3 talk blew up in your face. Stop being delusional thinking everyone will play for peanuts to play for the Knicks! Heat > Knicks Bulls > Knicks Celtics > Knicks Orlando > Knicks Atlanta > Knicks ^ Reality. All that talk? You mean the one post, where I never said anything about him playing for peanuts to play for the Knicks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolphann4life Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 All that talk? You mean the one post, where I never said anything about him playing for peanuts to play for the Knicks? If you thought the knicks had a chance of signing him then you must have been under the belief he would play for significantly less than he would for another club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 If you thought the knicks had a chance of signing him then you must have been under the belief he would play for significantly less than he would for another club. If you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Only time i've really watched Tyson Chandler was in the Finals and it looks like his offensive game is put back and dunks, not sure if he's got a low post game. That IS Chandler's game. LOL. That's why he's perfect for the Knicks. Chandler will get a ton of put back points off of Melo's and Amar'e's bricks. Chandler will average a double double this season without a single offensive play called for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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