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Favre came here and it wasnt and then went to Minnesota and it was. lol.

And expand that window to 5 years and it's sandwiched by two worse years bad good bad good bad..

Favre was never as good as Rodgers, and certainly not at 37

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The whole country does not watch the Jets every week or for the past 10 years. This team has not had a dynamic Skill player in years on this football team. NOT ONE......Did you watch Darren Sproles and Pierre Thomas last night ? thats dynamic

Actually I did. What I saw were a couple of TD passes - that first one to his TE and then the 2nd one to Meachem I think - that never would have happened because Sanchez would have been sacked. Brees buys his receivers time and in the case of the first one to his TE, not only knows how to use a height advantage but can also deliver the ball there on demand.

Odd that you would pick last night for comparison. McKnight would have looked awfully similar if Sanchez hit him when he was wide open. And it happens a lot, even on short passes.

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Actually I did. What I saw were a couple of TD passes - that first one to his TE and then the 2nd one to Meachem I think - that never would have happened because Sanchez would have been sacked. Brees buys his receivers time and in the case of the first one to his TE, not only knows how to use a height advantage but can also deliver the ball there on demand.

Odd that you would pick last night for comparison. McKnight would have looked awfully similar if Sanchez hit him when he was wide open. And it happens a lot, even on short passes.

No Brees receivers actully help their QB when he is in trouble by scrambling to get open while the Jets WR's stand with their heads up their asses. McKnight LOL your kidding me right ? Mcknight is horrible and goes down as soon as hes touched hes not even close to being in the same league with any one of the Saints backfield

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No Brees receivers actully help their QB when he is in trouble by scrambling to get open while the Jets WR's stand with their heads up their asses. McKnight LOL your kidding me right ? Mcknight is horrible and goes down as soon as hes touched hes not even close to being in the same league with any one of the Saints backfield

So McKnight was not open down the sideline with his man beat by a couple of yards, only to have Sanchez badly overthrow him? Clearly the forces of evil are conspiring to show something on my TV screen that didn't happen.

Brees was not standing comfortably in the pocket. Sanchez would have been clobbered and the blame for the play would have gone to the OL's lousy blocking. Never is it considered that our QB is allowed to move his feet and avoid pressure.

It makes no sense for you to compare Brees to Sanchez. Brees is awesome and Sanchez sucks. I will never excuse them giving up on a play but I guarantee they often give up because they friggin' know he's not delivering it to them. Brees looks at one receiver and throws to another. Brees...actually, forget it. I'm not going to enumerate the differences because if that is required then the exercise is pointless.

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So McKnight was not open down the sideline with his man beat by a couple of yards, only to have Sanchez badly overthrow him? Clearly the forces of evil are conspiring to show something on my TV screen that didn't happen.

Brees was not standing comfortably in the pocket. Sanchez would have been clobbered and the blame for the play would have gone to the OL's lousy blocking. Never is it considered that our QB is allowed to move his feet and avoid pressure.

It makes no sense for you to compare Brees to Sanchez. Brees is awesome and Sanchez sucks. I will never excuse them giving up on a play but I guarantee they often give up because they friggin' know he's not delivering it to them. Brees looks at one receiver and throws to another. Brees...actually, forget it. I'm not going to enumerate the differences because if that is required then the exercise is pointless.

Sperm you know Im not comparing Sanchez to Brees Im talking talent here so dont push the comparision angle. I have been doing this for years because i think the Jets have always had inferior talent compared to the better offenses in the NFL that along with an Idiot for an OC and you get what you have now Inconsistency and predictability and IMHO that makes it very hard on a young QB to succeed. Could I be wrong ? Of course but I want to see what this kid can do with some changes made first and foremost at OC.

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Quite frankly Im amazed that after watching this flea of a quarterback for 3 seasons anyone here actually thinks hes any good.

Schottenheimer??

He has done the best he can with the pile of sh!t handed to him.

Great QBs and olines make great OC's not the other way around.

Does Charlie Weiss ring a bell? Great wasnt he? What has he accomplished after his days in NE???

Tom Moore? Do you really think he is some kind of genius? Smartest thing he did was to get out of Indy with his rep intact.

If he sticks around here too long he will be villified like Schott.

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Quite frankly Im amazed that after watching this flea of a quarterback for 3 seasons anyone here actually thinks hes any good.

Schottenheimer??

He has done the best he can with the pile of sh!t handed to him.

Great QBs and olines make great OC's not the other way around.

Does Charlie Weiss ring a bell? Great wasnt he? What has he accomplished after his days in NE???

Tom Moore? Do you really think he is some kind of genius? Smartest thing he did was to get out of Indy with his rep intact.

If he sticks around here too long he will be villified like Schott.

I personally thought the back to back end around calls were genius.

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Just for fun...

Eli has 26 TD's and 16 INT's this year, and 1 rushing TD

Sanchez has 24 TD's and 15 INT's this year, and 6 rushing TD's

Granted, there is a huge dropoff in yardage and completion percentage, but the Giants' top 2 WR's are averaging over 300 YAC on the year. The Jets top two WR's? Less than 200 YAC, with Plaxico way off, with 136 YAC on the year.

I still think it's a combination of factors, but I just found it interesting mainly because Eli was highly inaccurate early in his career too.

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http://deadspin.com/...to-play-it-safe

great, great, great read!! waaay more on website with videos so read it there.......

During Sunday's Fox telecast of Mark Sanchez's public flogging, in between the moments when Brian Billick repeated "jump street" and read copy for New Girl, a graphic popped up: Mark Sanchez, it read, had turned the ball over 81 times since his NFL career began in 2009, the second most turnovers of any player in that span.

That was no surprise—Sanchez's fumbles and interceptions have punctuated most New York Jets games since he arrived. But who was the one player with more turnovers than the hapless Sanchez? Eli Manning, the two-time Super Bowl-winning Giants quarterback, the intrametropolitan envy of Jets fans. A winner. With 84 turnovers to Sanchez's 81.

How could this be? Football Outsiders's similarity scores look at Sanchez's last two years of stats and find his top comparable is none other than Eli Manning, from 2006 to 2007. Are the hero and the goat of New York quarterbacking really the same kind of player? If so, is Sanchez secretly good, or is Eli secretly terrible?

Nope. The two quarterbacks arrived at the same turnover figure by radically different paths. And the only hope the Jets have turning Sanchez into Manning would be by changing their entire theory of what do with him.

The difference is a matter of risk. Eli Manning is a gambler. He holds the ball too long, increasing the chance he'll get sacked, and he is not a notably precise passer. But when he makes a risky throw, he makes it deep downfield, where there's a big payoff if the Giants receiver can catch it.

The Jets, meanwhile, have tried to coach Sanchez to be prudent. Given the strengths of their running game and their defense, they've asked him not to force things, to look for his checkdown receivers, to keep it safe. But successful conservative quarterbacks, the real game managers, are decisive and accurate. Sanchez hesitates, the way Manning does, and like Manning, he's no pinpoint passer. The difference is, the Jets don't have Sanchez try for the big payoff.

in 2011, Eli Manning led the league with 109 deep pass attempts, passes thrown 20 yards or more. The result was a career year, as judged by complex and simple metrics (Football Outsiders' DVOA, quarterback rating, yards per attempt). His completion rate fell two percentage points from the prior season, but he added 900 passing yards and, surprisingly, threw nine fewer interceptions. Sanchez had only 57 deep attempts that year, ranking 20th in the league.

(Manning hasn't thrown deep as much this year—he has 52 deep attempts to Sanchez's 47; Andrew Luck leads the league with 84—but he's spent much of the season in an unexplained funk that looks a lot like an injury.)

Sanchez is a poor passer in general. Pro Football Focus calculates that this year, Sanchez has the league's 29th-best accuracy percentage—a version of completion percentage, adjusted for drops, throwaways, spikes, batted passes, and the like—with only 66.9 percent of his throws on target. But his deep-passing accuracy percentage ranks 17th in the league. So while his entire body of work is woeful, this one facet of his game, deep passing, has been average.

The Jets' efforts to protect Sanchez from risk miss this point: Any pass Mark Sanchez makes is risky. What makes Sanchez disastrous is that so many of his passes are low-reward. He gets picked off on the checkdown plays. It's especially nightmarish to turn the ball over on checkdowns, because the intercepting defender often has an open field in front of him. An intercepted deep pass, however, involves lots of potential tacklers—it functions like a short punt.

(We should note that two of Sanchez's three interceptions on Sunday occurred while he was bucking the usual pattern and taking chances downfield. The Jets seemed to be OK with that: Sanchez didn't get pulled from the game until he blew two short throws for a three-and-out in the third quarter.)

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http://deadspin.com/...to-play-it-safe

great, great, great read!! waaay more on website with videos so read it there.......

During Sunday's Fox telecast of Mark Sanchez's public flogging, in between the moments when Brian Billick repeated "jump street" and read copy for New Girl, a graphic popped up: Mark Sanchez, it read, had turned the ball over 81 times since his NFL career began in 2009, the second most turnovers of any player in that span.

That was no surprise—Sanchez's fumbles and interceptions have punctuated most New York Jets games since he arrived. But who was the one player with more turnovers than the hapless Sanchez? Eli Manning, the two-time Super Bowl-winning Giants quarterback, the intrametropolitan envy of Jets fans. A winner. With 84 turnovers to Sanchez's 81.

How could this be? Football Outsiders's similarity scores look at Sanchez's last two years of stats and find his top comparable is none other than Eli Manning, from 2006 to 2007. Are the hero and the goat of New York quarterbacking really the same kind of player? If so, is Sanchez secretly good, or is Eli secretly terrible?

Nope. The two quarterbacks arrived at the same turnover figure by radically different paths. And the only hope the Jets have turning Sanchez into Manning would be by changing their entire theory of what do with him.

The difference is a matter of risk. Eli Manning is a gambler. He holds the ball too long, increasing the chance he'll get sacked, and he is not a notably precise passer. But when he makes a risky throw, he makes it deep downfield, where there's a big payoff if the Giants receiver can catch it.

The Jets, meanwhile, have tried to coach Sanchez to be prudent. Given the strengths of their running game and their defense, they've asked him not to force things, to look for his checkdown receivers, to keep it safe. But successful conservative quarterbacks, the real game managers, are decisive and accurate. Sanchez hesitates, the way Manning does, and like Manning, he's no pinpoint passer. The difference is, the Jets don't have Sanchez try for the big payoff.

in 2011, Eli Manning led the league with 109 deep pass attempts, passes thrown 20 yards or more. The result was a career year, as judged by complex and simple metrics (Football Outsiders' DVOA, quarterback rating, yards per attempt). His completion rate fell two percentage points from the prior season, but he added 900 passing yards and, surprisingly, threw nine fewer interceptions. Sanchez had only 57 deep attempts that year, ranking 20th in the league.

(Manning hasn't thrown deep as much this year—he has 52 deep attempts to Sanchez's 47; Andrew Luck leads the league with 84—but he's spent much of the season in an unexplained funk that looks a lot like an injury.)

Sanchez is a poor passer in general. Pro Football Focus calculates that this year, Sanchez has the league's 29th-best accuracy percentage—a version of completion percentage, adjusted for drops, throwaways, spikes, batted passes, and the like—with only 66.9 percent of his throws on target. But his deep-passing accuracy percentage ranks 17th in the league. So while his entire body of work is woeful, this one facet of his game, deep passing, has been average.

The Jets' efforts to protect Sanchez from risk miss this point: Any pass Mark Sanchez makes is risky. What makes Sanchez disastrous is that so many of his passes are low-reward. He gets picked off on the checkdown plays. It's especially nightmarish to turn the ball over on checkdowns, because the intercepting defender often has an open field in front of him. An intercepted deep pass, however, involves lots of potential tacklers—it functions like a short punt.

(We should note that two of Sanchez's three interceptions on Sunday occurred while he was bucking the usual pattern and taking chances downfield. The Jets seemed to be OK with that: Sanchez didn't get pulled from the game until he blew two short throws for a three-and-out in the third quarter.)

So what theyre saying is Sanchez sucks?

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So what theyre saying is Sanchez sucks?

The two quarterbacks arrived at the same turnover figure by radically different paths. And the only hope the Jets have turning Sanchez into Manning would be by changing their entire theory of what do with him.

The difference is a matter of risk. Eli Manning is a gambler. He holds the ball too long, increasing the chance he'll get sacked, and he is not a notably precise passer. But when he makes a risky throw, he makes it deep downfield, where there's a big payoff if the Giants receiver can catch it.

The Jets, meanwhile, have tried to coach Sanchez to be prudent. Given the strengths of their running game and their defense, they've asked him not to force things, to look for his checkdown receivers, to keep it safe. But successful conservative quarterbacks, the real game managers, are decisive and accurate. Sanchez hesitates, the way Manning does, and like Manning, he's no pinpoint passer. The difference is, the Jets don't have Sanchez try for the big payoff.

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The two quarterbacks arrived at the same turnover figure by radically different paths. And the only hope the Jets have turning Sanchez into Manning would be by changing their entire theory of what do with him.

The difference is a matter of risk. Eli Manning is a gambler. He holds the ball too long, increasing the chance he'll get sacked, and he is not a notably precise passer. But when he makes a risky throw, he makes it deep downfield, where there's a big payoff if the Giants receiver can catch it.

The Jets, meanwhile, have tried to coach Sanchez to be prudent. Given the strengths of their running game and their defense, they've asked him not to force things, to look for his checkdown receivers, to keep it safe. But successful conservative quarterbacks, the real game managers, are decisive and accurate. Sanchez hesitates, the way Manning does, and like Manning, he's no pinpoint passer. The difference is, the Jets don't have Sanchez try for the big payoff.

So all we need to do is just let Mark air it out and we'll win 2 superbowls. Awesome.

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yes, what you say

Except Sanchez isnt a water head like Manning and uses the ol noodle too much, overthinks, and f#cks up. Manning is retarded and doesnt understand risk and doesnt mind repeatedly getting burned because he'll never learn.

Now if some how the jets COULD make Sanchez stupider, we might get lucky and win a few more games. Oh... and we need WR's. Ours suck terribly when compared to the giants.

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http://deadspin.com/...to-play-it-safe

great, great, great read!! waaay more on website with videos so read it there.......

During Sunday's Fox telecast of Mark Sanchez's public flogging, in between the moments when Brian Billick repeated "jump street" and read copy for New Girl, a graphic popped up: Mark Sanchez, it read, had turned the ball over 81 times since his NFL career began in 2009, the second most turnovers of any player in that span.

That was no surprise—Sanchez's fumbles and interceptions have punctuated most New York Jets games since he arrived. But who was the one player with more turnovers than the hapless Sanchez? Eli Manning, the two-time Super Bowl-winning Giants quarterback, the intrametropolitan envy of Jets fans. A winner. With 84 turnovers to Sanchez's 81.

How could this be? Football Outsiders's similarity scores look at Sanchez's last two years of stats and find his top comparable is none other than Eli Manning, from 2006 to 2007. Are the hero and the goat of New York quarterbacking really the same kind of player? If so, is Sanchez secretly good, or is Eli secretly terrible?

Nope. The two quarterbacks arrived at the same turnover figure by radically different paths. And the only hope the Jets have turning Sanchez into Manning would be by changing their entire theory of what do with him.

The difference is a matter of risk. Eli Manning is a gambler. He holds the ball too long, increasing the chance he'll get sacked, and he is not a notably precise passer. But when he makes a risky throw, he makes it deep downfield, where there's a big payoff if the Giants receiver can catch it.

The Jets, meanwhile, have tried to coach Sanchez to be prudent. Given the strengths of their running game and their defense, they've asked him not to force things, to look for his checkdown receivers, to keep it safe. But successful conservative quarterbacks, the real game managers, are decisive and accurate. Sanchez hesitates, the way Manning does, and like Manning, he's no pinpoint passer. The difference is, the Jets don't have Sanchez try for the big payoff.

in 2011, Eli Manning led the league with 109 deep pass attempts, passes thrown 20 yards or more. The result was a career year, as judged by complex and simple metrics (Football Outsiders' DVOA, quarterback rating, yards per attempt). His completion rate fell two percentage points from the prior season, but he added 900 passing yards and, surprisingly, threw nine fewer interceptions. Sanchez had only 57 deep attempts that year, ranking 20th in the league.

(Manning hasn't thrown deep as much this year—he has 52 deep attempts to Sanchez's 47; Andrew Luck leads the league with 84—but he's spent much of the season in an unexplained funk that looks a lot like an injury.)

Sanchez is a poor passer in general. Pro Football Focus calculates that this year, Sanchez has the league's 29th-best accuracy percentage—a version of completion percentage, adjusted for drops, throwaways, spikes, batted passes, and the like—with only 66.9 percent of his throws on target. But his deep-passing accuracy percentage ranks 17th in the league. So while his entire body of work is woeful, this one facet of his game, deep passing, has been average.

The Jets' efforts to protect Sanchez from risk miss this point: Any pass Mark Sanchez makes is risky. What makes Sanchez disastrous is that so many of his passes are low-reward. He gets picked off on the checkdown plays. It's especially nightmarish to turn the ball over on checkdowns, because the intercepting defender often has an open field in front of him. An intercepted deep pass, however, involves lots of potential tacklers—it functions like a short punt.

(We should note that two of Sanchez's three interceptions on Sunday occurred while he was bucking the usual pattern and taking chances downfield. The Jets seemed to be OK with that: Sanchez didn't get pulled from the game until he blew two short throws for a three-and-out in the third quarter.)

Yeah, I already started a whiole thread based on this article.

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im big into self-vindication........also i feel the writer of the article stole the concept from me!! hahah j/k

vindication?? I'd prefer to be wrong and have 2 superbowl wins than be right and have an awful football team.

Sanchez sucks. Manning wins superbowls. thats the only comparison that matters. Sanchez will never be a good QB in this league. Manning is a good QB, even with all them INT's

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Sort of a false starting point. Eli and Mark are similar because they have a like amount of turnovers and stupid throws, but Eli is redeemed by the fact that he is throwing the ball downfield. As if Mark's turnovers and completion percentage would stay the same if he started airing it out instead of trying to be careful. I think this is where we blame too much on the OC. The OC isn't always calling short routes. Most of these plays have a few options and Sanchez has the chance to hit some deep or short route. He holds the ball too long and then does something stupid. Who is to say that the route called was short?

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vindication?? I'd prefer to be wrong and have 2 superbowl wins than be right and have an awful football team.

Sanchez sucks. Manning wins superbowls. thats the only comparison that matters. Sanchez will never be a good QB in this league. Manning is a good QB, even with all them INT's

Too bad. Just like the rest of us, you're wrong AND have an awful football team.

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