Smashmouth Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 bahaha.. reading this thread concurrently makes the PC way more enjoyable some people were positive sh*tty would be out of here 3 years ago I think in this case they were telling the truth. If that idiot does nto get a HC gig hes going to be back other wise why call the damn press conference ?? So you can have egg on your face in a few weeks after you fire him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 so the big announcement was no more captains? earth shattering stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 That WAS AWESOME. Was it good for you? I need a cigarette! Depends might help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 bahaha.. reading this thread concurrently makes the PC way more enjoyable LOL, I'm just a fan. I react like your typical mongrel. I agree it's not, it can't, be what they really think...but then why have the PC in the first place except to enrage the fan base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman88 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 And I'm, convinced this is a total fan fantasy. That there is ANY desire by Rex and Tanny to "get rid" of Shotty, one way (firing) or the other (new HC job). Put simply, there is no reason the Jets FO needs to take a "easy way out", in fact it's entirely counterproductive. If they wanted to improve the O-Co spot, the only decision is to fire him immediately, then put the press on all the best possible replacements now, asap, before others (and other new HC's) get a jump on them. Sorry, there is simply no evidence that the team wants rid of Shotty, they've had every opportunity over the time he's been here, and never once showed anything to indicate they want rid of him. Agreed, Schotty understands this he said earlier this week if you want to be a coach you will be fired multiple times, it comes with the territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 It's a press conference. If you found any of it convincing, there's something wrong with you. I'm big into forward presentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeniemeanie Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 First time I watched the Jets all year and didn't feel like a part of me was dying. Although, I was yelling at the screen for Schotty to be fired. I suppose that's no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I feel worse now than I did a half hour ago. LOL ME TOO!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 why call the damn press conference ?? why have the PC in the first place except to enrage the fan base? See, now this perspective I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillie Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Fatso now venting ... 100% on the money, I might add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 You found that captaincy bullsh*t to be convincing? I think you have to accept the fact that a) cutting holmes would result in something like 12M in cap space. and b ) singling him out now as a goat significantly reduces his trade value. Seriously, what do you want, Tanny and Rex to be idiots, trash the guy and cut? Resulting in 10% of our cap being dead space and getting nothing in return for what's probably our second most talented player? Then I'd be complaining, not now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 What a waste of time. Rex doesn't understand why fans blame schotty? Can someone tell that a$$hole that we were one of the 5 worst offenses this season and Sanchez hasn't progressed at all. I've never seen an offensive coordinator whose on the hot seat but is being considered for head coaching jobs it makes no sense at all if he's this bad as an offensive coordinator than why would anyone want to reward him with a head coaching job. The same reason why Rex is a phenomenal defensive coordinator and people don't like him as a head-coach; Schotty is not a good coordinator, but he may very well have all the tools to be a good head-coach, they require very different qualities and skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 "Measure twice, cut once". I feel so much better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Francessa is spot on right now. Spot on. Hahahaha... "play like a Jet" means quit when the game is on the line. Mr. T ... management cliches from a book... Hahaha... awesome!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Fatso is performing a vivisection on the Jets and I cannot disagree with any of the shots he is taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Dude faneca has been gone for two years where have you been and I don't think it's lack of a deep threat with Holmes we just never tried to throw it deep I mean for the amount of times we threw the ball this year we barely even took a chance going deep and that falls on schotty but I agree with you that schotty needs to go. But as far ducasse goes he's a bust. I don't know who you were watching but vladimir got abused this season and looked like he didn't know what to do he got flagged often and he almost got Sanchez killed numerous times. Too big and slow. Hunter must go but I think you can live with slauson he's not that bad Sorry about the Faneca quote I accidentally threw his name in. In my opinion I think Ducasse did play well at times this season, but you're right I think he got abused at others. Definitely better, IMO, than Hunter (and I've gotta disagree with you on Slauson). Eben Britton on the Jags I think is going to be a FA and,IMO, would be a great long term solution at G for the Jets, if Woody can afford him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I think you have to accept the fact that a) cutting holmes would result in something like 12M in cap space. and b ) singling him out now as a goat significantly reduces his trade value. Seriously, what do you want, Tanny and Rex to be idiots, trash the guy and cut? Resulting in 10% of our cap being dead space and getting nothing in return for what's probably our second most talented player? Then I'd be complaining, not now No, but it's about 30 minuets to late to worry about that now. The cat's out of the bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Fatso is performing a vivisection on the Jets and I cannot disagree with any of the shots he is taking. Yeah, he's killing it right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 And I'm, convinced this is a total fan fantasy. That there is ANY desire by Rex and Tanny to "get rid" of Shotty, one way (firing) or the other (new HC job). Put simply, there is no reason the Jets FO needs to take a "easy way out", in fact it's entirely counterproductive. There is, firing a coach whose interviewing for a promotion in a few days wouldn't help us land other coaches in the future.. Plus, I'm sure you're right, they probably like the guy and personally don't want to do something like that. And again, I think sanchez is by far the bigger problem and am largely ambivalent to whether or not schotty goes... I think he needs to go to spare sanchez the heat, but I'm not wishing for it or anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I swear I'm getting close to being done with the New York Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I think you have to accept the fact that a) cutting holmes would result in something like 12M in cap space. and b ) singling him out now as a goat significantly reduces his trade value. Seriously, what do you want, Tanny and Rex to be idiots, trash the guy and cut? Resulting in 10% of our cap being dead space and getting nothing in return for what's probably our second most talented player? Then I'd be complaining, not now If you're Woody Johnson, do you feel good signing that big check to Mike Tannenbaum this week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 If you're Woody Johnson, do you feel good signing that big check to Mike Tannenbaum this week? again, behind closed doors I'm sure tanny is throwing them all under the buss.. we have no idea what's really going on .. If you're asking me if I think Tanny has done a good job the last few years, then the answer is 100% no. Still think you give him 1 more year to right ship, but his fate is tied to sanchez's which is fairly typical when taking a QB early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 There is, firing a coach whose interviewing for a promotion in a few days wouldn't help us land other coaches in the future. More fantasy. Coaches don't turn down better jobs/promotions because the team might once have fired a long-underperforming O-Co the day after a 12-4 talent team finished 8-8. Conspiracy theory if it makes you feel better about our downfall in 2011, but thats all it is my friend, ton-foil-hat-stuff. There is nothing to point to that would indicate they didn't mean it when they said they like him, and want to keep him if he isn't a HC elsewhere. I think sanchez is by far the bigger problem and am largely ambivalent to whether or not schotty goes. we disagree, Shotty has failed with every QB he's had, the only expection being the one who ignored him (Favre). While Mark Inty Mc'fumblechez certainly didn't represent himself well in 2011, he is harder to replace than Shotty is. I want to see a year of Sanchez under another O-Co before I write him off as unworthy. I'm not wishing for it or anything I was. But in hindsight, I should have known better tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 If you're Woody Johnson, do you feel good signing that big check to Mike Tannenbaum this week? Of course not. But again, any sensible person felt that way long before this press conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 If you're Woody Johnson, do you feel good signing that big check to Mike Tannenbaum this week? What did you expect him to say? When has he ever said anything controversial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I don't believe a word they said. they evaluated everything as the year went on. they just don't want to say they will keep shotty if he doesn't get a HC job and make holmes live with him and sanchez FML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 again, behind closed doors I'm sure tanny is throwing them all under the buss.. we have no idea what's really going on .. If you're asking me if I think Tanny has done a good job the last few years, then the answer is 100% no. Still think you give him 1 more year to right ship, but his fate is tied to sanchez's which is fairly typical when taking a QB early How many times in Jets franchise history have we given a GM/coach "one more year" to figure it out? Do they ever "figure it out"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Lew Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Rex and tanny need to realize that fans have an understanding of how a team needs to be run and what the definition of success is whether it be on the field or in the draft. Telling the fan base that Vlad is coming along and that Holmes has done so much for us is insulting. Coaches and players make mistakes. The end of the season presser is the time to man up and admit them. Thats what I was hoping to see. Too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman88 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Seriously why did they have this press conference? There was absolutely no reason for it and all it did was destroy my confidence in the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 so our only hope (besides obi wan) is the jags hire shotty that may be why they threw so many roses at shotty, the jags take them off the hook very awkward position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I think it's more that these two trainees are the faces of a multimillion dollar organization is a problem in and of itself. ..and yet over the past two years these trainees had their team in a better position at the end of the year than 28 (87.5%) other franchises in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Of course not. But again, any sensible person felt that way long before this press conference. As fans, it's one thing for us to decide that Tannenbaum/Rex/Schott/Sanchez/etc are no good. But it's a whole other thing to sit and watch the organization circle the wagons around those people. It's disheartening, to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 ..and yet over the past two years these trainees had their team in a better position at the end of the year than 28 (87.5%) other franchises in the NFL. Sweet. Extensions for everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 we disagree, Shotty has failed with every QB he's had, the only expection being the one who ignored him (Favre). While Mark Inty Mc'fumblechez certainly didn't represent himself well in 2011, he is harder to replace than Shotty is. I want to see a year of Sanchez under another O-Co before I write him off as unworthy. Sure, which is why you are more biased then I am. I'm ambivalent and can see pretty clearly he won't come back, you have a strong rooting interest.. And fwiw schotty has had a bad qb almost every single season as well, when exactly has the production not matched the talent on offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I missed it. So did Woody apologize for not handing the reigns to Cowher? Totally was expecting a 'my B' from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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