JohnnyHector Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 When you say 'no one else,' you mean besides whom? You, obv... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I'm just going to guess that this thread is 6 pages of: © All of the Above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Please tell me you're joking. It was from the Times: Matt Slauson: “There were just a lot of things that went wrong in this game, sort of like all season,” Slauson said. “Guys were getting frustrated. Guys weren’t sure what was going on. There were times when we broke huddle, and we heard Mark say, ‘Whoa, that isn’t the right play.’ I think that’s what added to some of the chaos, to some of the penalties and guys jumping offside.” http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/sports/football/santonio-holmes-is-center-of-discord-in-jets-loss.html?hpw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 That and the fact he never saw any adversity was the reason he was the one player I didnt want the Jets to draft. He played on a Varsity team in a JV conference. They rolled over teams and the one time they didnt, they lost. I wasnt fooled by his Rose Bowl. He was playing pitch and catch it was so easy. I agree with this. His players were way better than their opposition at USC. That don't happen here. IN BS's system, the plays are designed for the receiver to catch the ball with a DB on his back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 It was from the Times: Matt Slauson: “There were just a lot of things that went wrong in this game, sort of like all season,” Slauson said. “Guys were getting frustrated. Guys weren’t sure what was going on. There were times when we broke huddle, and we heard Mark say, ‘Whoa, that isn’t the right play.’ I think that’s what added to some of the chaos, to some of the penalties and guys jumping offside.” http://www.nytimes.c...s-loss.html?hpw Suddenly "You suck Schotty" does not sound so innocuous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I agree with this. His players were way better than their opposition at USC. That don't happen here. IN BS's system, the plays are designed for the receiver to catch the ball with a DB on his back. I'm unimpressed with Schottenheimer as well. But Sanchez can't hit a moving target except by accident anyway. When someone has a yard of separation it turns into a lot less when a pass is thrown behind the receiver (or too high or too low). Plus everyone knows where the ball is going because Sanchez tracks him with his eyes non-stop. That's probably half the reason for all the short passes & quick slants. It isn't all because of the OL. It's so a safety doesn't have the time to run over to the target Sanchez is virtually announcing with his stare-downs. Our QB sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I'm unimpressed with Schottenheimer as well. But Sanchez can't hit a moving target except by accident anyway. When someone has a yard of separation it turns into a lot less when a pass is thrown behind the receiver (or too high or too low). Plus everyone knows where the ball is going because Sanchez tracks him with his eyes non-stop. That's probably half the reason for all the short passes & quick slants. It isn't all because of the OL. It's so a safety doesn't have the time to run over to the target Sanchez is virtually announcing with his stare-downs. Our QB sucks. Agree on the inaccuracy. They also seem to be very familiar with our snap counts. Plus I think those snap counts lead to some of the pre snap penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet27 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I Love the 3rd and 8 calls when the WR runs a 4 yard slant...I think that's just brilliant. Oh and seeing Sanchez in the Shot gun on the oppossing 10 yard line on 1st down. Come on Man...........WFT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbatelli Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Sanchez was knocked on his a$$ more than 110 times this year. Last year he was hit 80. Big difference in how it will effect his play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbatelli Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Everyone says Sanchez can't throw. We all seem to forget about these passes in 2010. Where were they this year? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETzZRlxS6wU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Sanchez was knocked on his a$$ more than 110 times this year. Last year he was hit 80. Big difference in how it will effect his play. Where does that number come from? Not saying you're wrong, but nfl.com counts 70 QB hits this year. Only 10 teams had their QB's hit less. Last year it was 52 (only 2 teams' QBs got hit less). http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&archive=false&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT&qualified=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Kind of ironic that we now call Sanchez "Checkdown Charlie" after the "Checkdown Chad" era of Pennington...makes me wonder if there is a common factor... hackett? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 For those that want to envision how Rex envisions his team, watch the 49ers play their 1st round game. They want a qb who "manages the game", eliminates negative plays and turnovers and basically be irrelevant. They have transformed Alex Smith into a serviceable qb in that system. Unfortunately, Harbaugh is imminently smarter than Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Sanchez was knocked on his a$$ more than 110 times this year. Last year he was hit 80. Big difference in how it will effect his play. I say B/S excuse. Is this how its gonna go? Going to play the David Carr card? WEAK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbatelli Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Where does that number come from? Not saying you're wrong, but nfl.com counts 70 QB hits this year. Only 10 teams had their QB's hit less. Last year it was 52 (only 2 teams' QBs got hit less). http://www.nfl.com/s...&qualified=true 70 hits and 40 sacks = 110 total hits Last year it was 28 sacks and 52 hits = 80 total hits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 70 hits and 40 sacks = 110 total hits Last year it was 28 sacks and 52 hits = 80 total hits A sack doesn't count as a QB hit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 For those that want to envision how Rex envisions his team, watch the 49ers play their 1st round game. They want a qb who "manages the game", eliminates negative plays and turnovers and basically be irrelevant. They have transformed Alex Smith into a serviceable qb in that system. Unfortunately, Harbaugh is imminently smarter than Rex. And Smith can actually complete a downfield pass to keep defenses honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 And Smith can actually complete a downfield pass to keep defenses honest. Previous years, that was a difficulty for him. He was transformed and seems to know and understand his role. Something Sanchez does not seem to know or want, as the coaching staff themselves seem confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbatelli Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I say B/S excuse. Is this how its gonna go? Going to play the David Carr card? WEAK. What was the issue this year? No Offense. This was not an issue last year and the offensive line was much better. Keep this in mind, since week 10, 4 players were Defensive player of the week after playing the Jets, coincidence, I think not. http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/2011/12/jets-continue-to-help-opponents-rack-up-awards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbatelli Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 A sack doesn't count as a QB hit? No they consider this a separate stat. The hit is a knock down. It also does not how many times he wast touched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 No they consider this a separate stat. The hit is a knock down. It also does not how many times he wast touched. Funny but Romo Rodgers Smith Ben Stafford maybe some more were also sacked alot. Just sayin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 No they consider this a separate stat. The hit is a knock down. It also does not how many times he wast touched. I know it's separate for defenders. But this is evaluating the OL. You could be right but I haven't seen where this is specified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I Love the 3rd and 8 calls when the WR runs a 4 yard slant...I think that's just brilliant. When 4 yd slants are thrown accurately, they can easily turn into 8+ yd gains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 When 4 yd slants are thrown accurately, they can easily turn into 8+ yd gains. Thats a fact. Jerry rice, Andre Reed come to mind. Bread and butter play in the WCO and you dont need Montana Kelly or Young to make it work. With the proper lead on the pass the slant is a real weapon but Snachez throws it to where he sees the receiver not to an open seam where they are running to. Some will say this is Schotts fault but please thats just QB 101. Who here doesnt think the CS havent taken MS to task for this week after week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Previous years, that was a difficulty for him. He was transformed and seems to know and understand his role. Something Sanchez does not seem to know or want, as the coaching staff themselves seem confused great, and brees will come there in rd 2 and bounce them, 1 and done.. You don't draft a QB at 5 and pay him 50M to be serviceable... It's a gross missallocation of funds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 When 4 yd slants are thrown accurately, they can easily turn into 8+ yd gains. If Bart Scott or Eric Smith are covering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 If Bart Scott or Eric Smith are covering No, when those guys are in coverage, you can make a sh*tty Sanchez-esque throw and still expect to convert the 1st down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Only because his options for the 2009 season were Aaron Corp and a freshman Matt Barkley. Carroll was only looking out for #1. Carroll was coaching USC. He can't swing a dead cat without hitting ten D1 QB prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Tough to run the ball when you never take any chances downfield as NYJ showed in 2011. I would trade some picks to keep defenses honest. Scotty has to bear the blame. Someones head has to roll and too much invested in Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet27 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 When 4 yd slants are thrown accurately, they can easily turn into 8+ yd gains. Thats a fact. Jerry rice, Andre Reed come to mind. Bread and butter play in the WCO and you dont need Montana Kelly or Young to make it work. With the proper lead on the pass the slant is a real weapon but Snachez throws it to where he sees the receiver not to an open seam where they are running to. Some will say this is Schotts fault but please thats just QB 101. Who here doesnt think the CS havent taken MS to task for this week after week. Guys, the defenses have adjusted to our "3rd down slants"...and that adjustment has affected our offenses ability to move the chains. Once the defense has taken that away, you see Sanchez then get pounded, And that leads to a "jittery QB". And to say that the 49'Ners did that with Montana/Rice etc...is comapring apples to oranges. And the offenses have adjusted to Rex's defense scheme's, which means we stop them some of the time but not all the time. Hence we are 8-8 and the team is watching the playoffs instead of playing in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet27 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Guys, the defenses have adjusted to our "3rd down slants"...and that adjustment has affected our offenses ability to move the chains. Once the defense has taken that away, you see Sanchez then get pounded, And that leads to a "jittery QB". And to say that the 49'Ners did that with Montana/Rice etc...is comapring apples to oranges. And the offenses have adjusted to Rex's defense scheme's, which means we stop them some of the time but not all the time. Hence we are 8-8 and the team is watching the playoffs instead of playing in them. Also, I get what you guys are saying...but if you look at the running backs that played with both Rice and Reed, those were two very very good RB's, which changed the dynamics of what the defense would key on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkjetfan Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 Everyone says Sanchez can't throw. We all seem to forget about these passes in 2010. Where were they this year? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETzZRlxS6wU I really miss Braylon, they really had good chemistry that year. We should get Braylon back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbatelli Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I really miss Braylon, they really had good chemistry that year. We should get Braylon back! Look at the time Sanchez has on some of these throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbatelli Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Guys, the defenses have adjusted to our "3rd down slants"...and that adjustment has affected our offenses ability to move the chains. Once the defense has taken that away, you see Sanchez then get pounded, And that leads to a "jittery QB". And to say that the 49'Ners did that with Montana/Rice etc...is comapring apples to oranges. And the offenses have adjusted to Rex's defense scheme's, which means we stop them some of the time but not all the time. Hence we are 8-8 and the team is watching the playoffs instead of playing in them. Perfectly said. But good coaches adapt. The biggest problem I had with the Offense was that there was not any adjustments. Shotty had a game plan and stuck with all game, whether it worked or not. The only issues I had with the D was that they could not stop the 90+ yard drives. I think this was because they were so tired from the 3 and outs by the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet27 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Perfectly said. But good coaches adapt. The biggest problem I had with the Offense was that there was not any adjustments. Shotty had a game plan and stuck with all game, whether it worked or not. The only issues I had with the D was that they could not stop the 90+ yard drives. I think this was because they were so tired from the 3 and outs by the offense. Right on.....if you take a look at the Raiders Game, the Denver Game and the Giants game...it says it all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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