MTJ06 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I could have run that route and been that open. He was behind the safeties before he even broke. They both creeped up at least 5 yards before that ball was passed. They were creeping pre-snap and Tebow sold the play fake perfectly. This had nothing to do with route design, or route running. It was blown coverage. Tebow placed the ball perfectly (something Sanchez cant do) and Thomas was gone. And you and Mark Sanchez could have made that throw as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh4dy15 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I'm more so basing this off of the comments that came from Kris Jenkins who's still got very strong ties to our locker room. The fact that he didnt have the balls to do what McElroy did was just a piece of it but mostly because I'm on the fence whether I think you should keep that in house or not...personally, I liked it in this circumstance because it needed to be said and I'm hoping it shows Sanchez what kind of a pussy he is. The Holmes thing is secondary. A true leader keeps him at bay. Seems like Mark doesnt have the ball to confront him. Again, so nobody on the Steelers were leaders either? Safe to assume because they traded him. There is no basis for this argument because you don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Sanchez is awful...thats the difference. And I'm not even going to dignify you comparing him to Brees. I didnt compare Mark Sanchez to Brees. I used Brees as an example to reflect your attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 And we somehow almost never have that. I can count on one hand the amount of wide open wide receivers we have. Whether that's on them not running hard routes or Schotty sucking at designing plays I don't know. And yes Sanchez missed mcknight wide open but that's one of only ones I can think of. SO you go to gamees and watch the receivers rather then the ball then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Tebow made some nice throws like the one to Eddie Royal for the TD, but to say Pitt always had a defender on them? Denver had guys wide open last night. WHich of his big throws were to a wide open guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 This is the reality of sports..."what have you done for me lately?" And Sanchez hasn't done much so people forget that he DOES actually have the ability to make throws. Go watch highlights of 2010 season to refresh memory, plenty of deep throws to Edwards. lol @ trying to use that excuse... Sanchez, or Tebow, has NEVER been a good qb for an extended period of time. They both stink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh4dy15 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 SO you go to gamees and watch the receivers rather then the ball then? Have you ever seen us throw as easy a pass as some of the throws the broncos were getting last night? Honestly? And don't say Sanchez misses them all because that's just bullsh*t. Our play design is ******* terrible and it has been for 6 years. Once in a while Schotty would call an ok game but 95%I of the time he sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Have you ever seen us throw as easy a pass as some of the throws the broncos were getting last night? Honestly? And don't say Sanchez misses them all because that's just bullsh*t. Our play design is ******* terrible and it has been for 6 years. Once in a while Schotty would call an ok game but 95%I of the time he sucks. go back and watch both Cinn games in 2009... same type of sell out on run defense, EASIER throws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 And you and Mark Sanchez could have made that throw as well. No. Mark has shown time and time again he cant make that throw. 9 out of 10 times he puts that on the back shoulder and the reciever has to make an adjustment and cant run after the catch. He does it all the time. Yes. I could make that throw. JiF >>> Sanchez Again, so nobody on the Steelers were leaders either? Safe to assume because they traded him. There is no basis for this argument because you don't know. Huh? They won the SB with him. This example does not apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Have you ever seen us throw as easy a pass as some of the throws the broncos were getting last night? Honestly? And don't say Sanchez misses them all because that's just bullsh*t. Our play design is ******* terrible and it has been for 6 years. Once in a while Schotty would call an ok game but 95%I of the time he sucks. here's one example http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d8159cfba/Keller-45-yard-TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 WHich of his big throws were to a wide open guy? Hey listen I dont want to take anything away from Tebow he played a great game. But the big throws where I think the receiver was wide open were: The Game Winner to Thomas The second long throw to Thomas The throw off the rollout to Daniel Fells down the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 No. Mark has shown time and time again he cant make that throw. 9 out of 10 times he puts that on the back shoulder and the reciever has to make an adjustment and cant run after the catch. He does it all the time. Yes. I could make that throw. JiF >>> Sanchez Huh? They won the SB with him. This example does not apply. So just so I make sure that I have this right, in your opinion has Mark Sanchez ever made a single good throw in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Hey listen I dont want to take anything away from Tebow he played a great game. But the big throws where I think the receiver was wide open were: The Game Winner to Thomas The second long throw to Thomas The throw off the rollout to Daniel Fells down the middle The guy falling down obviously isn't related to play design... and are you saying that on the other two the Jets never have guys that "wide" open? really?? I can probably provide 100' of plays of video evidence to the contrary.. Plus, there isn't a doubt in my mind that Sanchez would back shouldered the game winner causing no YAC and that he'd have missed the long one edit: hahahah read that wrong, still don't remember the play though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 here's one example http://www.nfl.com/v...ller-45-yard-TD The Tebow throw to Fells off the rollout reminded me of this play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 The guy falling down obviously isn't related to play design... and are you saying that on the other two the Jets never have guys that "wide" open? really?? I can probably provide 100' of plays of video evidence to the contrary.. Plus, there isn't a doubt in my mind that Sanchez would back shouldered the game winner causing no YAC and that he'd have missed the long one Did Sanchez back shoulder the throw to Keller in the video you posted and cause no YAC therfore missing the long one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 The Tebow throw to Fells off the rollout reminded me of this play yes, just watched the replay. Similiar play made possible by defense selling out on run.. I don't believe the oterh two had a receiver wide open like that though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Did Sanchez back shoulder the throw to Keller in the video you posted and cause no YAC therfore missing the long one. Actually, kinda yes. Keller had to slow up and caught it behind his head. If he wasn't wide open, he'd have been tackled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 yes, just watched the replay. Similiar play made possible by defense selling out on run.. I don't believe the oterh two had a receiver wide open like that though Thomas is in one on one coverage on the game winner with the defender behind him and has seperation. That is wide open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Actually, kinda yes. Keller had to slow up and caught it behind his head. If he wasn't wide open, he'd have been tackled So you are also in the Sanchez has never made a single good throw in the NFl club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Thomas is in one on one coverage on the game winner with the defender behind him and has seperation. That is wide open. Again, if that's you definition of wide open then I can't imagine how you'd think the Jets never have receivers that open. Wide opens was the Keller pass I provided and the one you mentioned in the Denver game taht I forgot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 So you are also in the Sanchez has never made a single good throw in the NFl club? No, don't be ridiculous. I'm in the club that say Sanchez very rarely has proper ball placement like Brees, Brady and other elite QB's... As of this time yesterday, I was also in the club that said Tebow stood almost no chance of doing what he did yesterday, but I never use terms like never I think you let Sanche or tebow throw that route 10 times in a game situation and they'd both hit it properly once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 So just so I make sure that I have this right, in your opinion has Mark Sanchez ever made a single good throw in the NFL No, he's made some very nice throws at this level. Just not very many and far from consistently. The one thing he rarely does is lead his WR. And he definitely doesnt know how to throw someone open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 No, he's made some very nice throws at this level. Just not very many and far from consistently. The one thing he rarely does is lead his WR. And he definitely doesnt know how to throw someone open. I think he has made some great throws and does at times lead his receivers and is able to throw them open. I think the key word in your post is "consistently", which is what he needs to work on. The guy has shown flashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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