PFSIKH Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Wasn't he the Catcher of the future? http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/7460297/new-york-yankees-deal-jesus-montero-seattle-mariners-michael-pineda-source-says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 and Kuroda on a 1 year deal #28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 The New York Yankees have traded top prospect Jesus Montero and right-handed pitcher Hector Noesi to the Seattle Mariners in exchange for phenom pitcher Michael Pineda and righty Jose Campos, a source told ESPN.com's Jayson Stark. The Yankees receive the 22-year-old Pineda after he went 9-10 with a 3.74 ERA for the Mariners as a rookie last year. After an up-and-down year in Triple-A, Montero came up to the majors and showed off his electric bat. In 18 games, he hit .328 with four home runs and 28 RBIs. He was expected to be the Yankees designated hitter this season. While there are no questions about Montero's bat, there are some doubts on whether he can catch in the majors. The Yankees almost dealt Montero once before to the Mariners in a 2010 trade for Cliff Lee. The trade fell through and the Mariners ended up sending Lee to the Texas Rangers. Pineda adds more youth to the Yankees' rotation behind CC Sabathia. After Pineda, the Yankees have Ivan Nova and Phil Hughes, who are both 25 years old. Hughes will likely have to compete with Freddy Garcia and A.J. Burnett for the fourth and fifth starter spots. Later Friday though, the Yankees added yet another arm, signing former Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Hiroki Kuroda, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney. ESPNNewYork.com's Andrew Marchand contributed to this report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Pineda, who turns 23 next week, is a potentially dominant starter who struck out 173 batters in 171 innings for Seattle last season. He won six of his first 10 starts and as late as May 21 had a 2.16 ERA. He's 6-7 and 260 pounds, and features a slider famously described by the late Mariners broadcaster Dave Niehaus as "diabolical." Pineda eventually faded a bit in his rookie season, but finished 9-10 with a 3.74 ERA, very respectable numbers for a pitcher in his first exposure to major league hitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Sort of hoping Cash turns Hughes and a bucket of shag balls into Billy Butler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I will say this...the years that the Yankees stay away from the big stupid free agent signings, they seem to do pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Sort of hoping Cash turns Hughes and a bucket of shag balls into Billy Butler I am not ready to give up on Hughes. Really hoping he comes into camp in good shape and can finally find a way to stay healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Wonder if this opens up the Yankees to lowball/shortterm Fielder, who so far has no takers.Or someone, such they could use another FA bat to give various old guys a half day off as DH. Austin Romine (Orson Romaine for Mike Francesa listeners)figures to compete with Cervelli to the backup catcher spot. As they also got another AAA pticher, While you can never really have enough pitching Banuelos and Betances are either nonprospects or trade bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I am not ready to give up on Hughes. Really hoping he comes into camp in good shape and can finally find a way to stay healthy. I want Damon as DH....Would love to get him back and watch him get #3000 as a Yankee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I want Damon as DH....Would love to get him back and watch him get #3000 as a Yankee Not the craziest of ideas. And he could probably reach a quick and reasonable deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I am not ready to give up on Hughes. Really hoping he comes into camp in good shape and can finally find a way to stay healthy. Yeah but does he have a rotation spot at this point? Very good trade IMO. Pineda and Kuroka could both easily win 15 games with the Yanks. Whenever Hughes has been the 8th inning guy he has looked like a different pitcher so maybe that's his role with the Yanks. Bugg makes a good point in that the Yank will likely be in on Fielder. CC Nova Kuroka Pineda Burnett/Garcia/Hughes Will be interesting to see if the Minor League pitchers and Hughes become available in trade talks for any holes the Yanks feel thay have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Yeah but does he have a rotation spot at this point? Very good trade IMO. Pineda and Kuroka could both easily win 15 games with the Yanks. Whenever Hughes has been the 8th inning guy he has looked like a different pitcher so maybe that's his role with the Yanks. Bugg makes a good point in that the Yank will likely be in on Fielder. CC Nova Kuroka Pineda Burnett/Garcia/Hughes Will be interesting to see if the Minor League pitchers and Hughes become available in trade talks for any holes the Yanks feel thay have. That is how it looks right now but I want to see Nova do it again so to speak. Hughes back to the pen could be a possibility...wonder if the Yankees would consider it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 That is how it looks right now but I want to see Nova do it again so to speak. Hughes back to the pen could be a possibility...wonder if the Yankees would consider it. Yanks are already loaded in pen..the best in baseball Robby Joba Mo Wade Sori Logan No room for anyone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Yanks are already loaded in pen..the best in baseball Robby Joba Mo Wade Sori Logan No room for anyone else Garcia, Burnett and Hughes. There will be room for one of them. Who is the other pitcher they got? It says they gave up Noesi. I liked him. I hope the throw in they got has serious potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 pisses me off to no avail....Jesus is will the next big star for years to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Damn, you got third place locked up. RIP Pineda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergen Jet Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Pineda is a kid I have been watching closely. I didn't think they would consider trading Montero, but they just brought in a stud. He is immediately the number 2 and will be the ace in 2 or 3 seasons while CC is still pitching well. Good move all around for both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Kind of reminds me of the Beckett/Hanley Ramirez deal. Pineda is a good young arm and the Yankees needed pitching. Good move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I don't watch a lot of these inferior AL players, especially on dreg teams like the Mariners, but this move would certainly seem to further dilute the player that was once Phil Hughes. There, I satisfied my agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Dont like it at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 A risky move for the Yankees as Montero is the safest bet in this deal to produce, IMO. But its a risk worth taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 A risky move for the Yankees as Montero is the safest bet in this deal to produce, IMO. But its a risk worth taking. He's a DH. A lot of those around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 He's a DH. A lot of those around. But how many at his age and price tag? Risky move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 The Yankees DH should be set aside strictly for aging Yankee superstars With Jeter and ARod heading in that direction there was no room for Montero at DH going forward. The Yanks are real happy with Martin (why wouldn't they) and have Romine and Sanchez (who is the future) as catchers down the road. Love Montero, and it is a risky trade because we're getting a real unknown, but we had to do it considering the Yanks want to stay below that $189 million At least we're competitive now with the Angels and Rangers, even though those 2 teams are the real favorites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Love Montero, and it is a risky trade because we're getting a real unknown, but we had to do it considering the Yanks want to stay below that $189 million At least we're competitive now with the Angels and Rangers, even though those 2 teams are the real favorites What is the Yankees payroll slated to be at? How far behind will the Red Sox be? The Yankees do best when they aren't 60mm on top of everyone else. They haven't been good at overspending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Russell Martin, who hit about .180 in the second half? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 What is the Yankees payroll slated to be at? How far behind will the Red Sox be? The Yankees do best when they aren't 60mm on top of everyone else. They haven't been good at overspending. Sox for some reason are desperately trying to stay under the Luxury Tax threshold this season. Trying to nip and tuck where they can considering they have 26 million dollars tied up in two Tommy John surgeries in the rotation. Right now they look like the third best team if they don't make a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Sox for some reason are desperately trying to stay under the Luxury Tax threshold this season. Trying to nip and tuck where they can considering they have 26 million dollars tied up in two Tommy John surgeries in the rotation. Right now they look like the third best team if they don't make a move. What is the luxury tax amount? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 What is the luxury tax amount? 178 million. Sox, Yanks and Phils either close or over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 178 million. Sox, Yanks and Phils either close or over that. Thanks. Sounds like the Yankees won't be ahead by a crazy wide margin in payroll this year. I like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Of course I say this and then they will go out and sign Fielder lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 A risky move for the Yankees as Montero is the safest bet in this deal to produce, IMO. But its a risk worth taking. Disagree. This is about as fair a trade as can go down. In fact if you want to sway one way at this time, the fact that Montero does not have a position makes it a coup for the Yanks. Pineda is a stud regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 The Yankees DH should be set aside strictly for aging Yankee superstars With Jeter and ARod heading in that direction there was no room for Montero at DH going forward. The Yanks are real happy with Martin (why wouldn't they) and have Romine and Sanchez (who is the future) as catchers down the road. Love Montero, and it is a risky trade because we're getting a real unknown, but we had to do it considering the Yanks want to stay below that $189 million At least we're competitive now with the Angels and Rangers, even though those 2 teams are the real favorites I don't understand the "unknown" part. This kid SP is the real deal or as much as one can be at this stage of his career. Sweeney was on the fan hinting that the fact Montero has no true position in addition to some attitude issues may be why he fell out of favor. Nothing to do with payroll. I hate when the Yanks or their fans try and play that card. If the Yanks did not need the DH spot for their aging 3B and SS on occassion, Pujols or Fielder would be in pinstripes. I think I head that Pineda held RH hitters to the lowest BA in the league as a rookie. (Too lazy to verify). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I don't understand the "unknown" part. This kid SP is the real deal or as much as one can be at this stage of his career. Sweeney was on the fan hinting that the fact Montero has no true position in addition to some attitude issues may be why he fell out of favor. Nothing to do with payroll. I hate when the Yanks or their fans try and play that card. If the Yanks did not need the DH spot for their aging 3B and SS on occassion, Pujols or Fielder would be in pinstripes. I think I head that Pineda held RH hitters to the lowest BA in the league as a rookie. (Too lazy to verify). I've heard and seen this too, so maybe that was a slight factor. Saw Pineda pitch some, but cant remember if he has a great 3rd pitch or not...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I've heard and seen this too, so maybe that was a slight factor. Saw Pineda pitch some, but cant remember if he has a great 3rd pitch or not...... Seattle beat writer on the FAN said he was supposed to work with Pedro on a change-up this winter. I think the Yanks had a great day yesterday. Wish the Mets could have got a SP like this kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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