Sperm Edwards Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 How would the NFL's fourth all-time leading rusher not be considered a slam dunk for the Hall of Fame? When he retired, Henry Ellard was #3 all time receiving yards. Testaverde was #5 all-time passing yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Cumar IS a slam dunk for induction into the HOF THIS SUMMER take it to the bank I heard that he was a lock to be first ballot. Heard it for years. I wasn't rating them. Just my guess on who gets the call. Fair enough. I think he'll get in sooner or later. But if I had a team that was otherwise legit with at best a 4-year window, Martin wouldn't crack my top 20 of RB's in their prime that I wish I had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 More deserving than Martin (and yes, it's just one fan's opinion): Roaf Shields Dawson Carter (but he should have to shave his hideous eyebrows off) Doleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 When he retired, Henry Ellard was #3 all time receiving yards. Testaverde was #5 all-time passing yards. And when he retired he was #4 and he is still #4. FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg3 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 he was only on the ballot for the first time last season and this year will be the last time he is on the ballot once he is inducted on HOF game weekend this summer in Canton. clearly belongs in the HOF and gets his yellow jacket this Summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 And when he retired he was #4 and he is still #4. FTW. So was Ellard, genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I think he'll make it in this year...... I have a room booked too for it too..lol...that would make a good road trip.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I think he'll make it in this year...... I have a room booked too for it too..lol...that would make a good road trip.. I'll meet you there. Save me a seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 So was Ellard, genius. No, Ellard is currently 9th all time in receiving yards, oh mighty one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 No, Ellard is currently 9th all time in receiving yards, oh mighty one. We are now in 2012. Ellard retired in '98. At the time he became eligible Ellard was 4th. Let's see if Martin is still 4th in the year 2020. Even still, longevity doesn't make one great. Being friggin' awesome is what makes one great. Just my opinion anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 We are now in 2012. Ellard retired in '98. At the time he became eligible Ellard was 4th. Let's see if Martin is still 4th in the year 2020. Even still, longevity doesn't make one great. Being friggin' awesome is what makes one great. Just my opinion anyway. You have to be pretty friggin' awesome to do what Martin did. When you play the position that hasn't the shortest average career span of any in the NFL, playing at that high a level for as long as Martin did is pretty friggin' special. When you do something that only two people have done in the entire history of the league, its pretty friggin' awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 When he retired, Henry Ellard was #3 all time receiving yards. Testaverde was #5 all-time passing yards. Teams don't run the ball anymore. Martin's spot will be safe for a long time. Testaverde and Ellard, meanwhile, will continue to downward spiral on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 You have to be pretty friggin' awesome to do what Martin did. When you play the position that hasn't the shortest average career span of any in the NFL, playing at that high a level for as long as Martin did is pretty friggin' special. When you do something that only two people have done in the entire history of the league, its pretty friggin' awesome. No it isn't. And Martin spent most of his career averaging at or below the NFL average of 4.0 ypc. That is not great and it is not awesome. Nor were all his garbage games against better competition when a real difference-maker was actually needed. Worst RB of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Teams don't run the ball anymore. Martin's spot will be safe for a long time. Testaverde and Ellard, meanwhile, will continue to downward spiral on the list. Only because of rule changes to aid the passing game. Many or most of those rule changes coming after Ellard retired. The point is that being #4 all time in yards was the justification for being elected. Ellard was not an all-time great and he was #4 at this same juncture. Hell, Testaverde and Bledsoe are still both top-8 all-time in passing yards. And neither one of those will - or should - ever sniff at getting in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Only because of rule changes to aid the passing game. Many or most of those rule changes coming after Ellard retired. The point is that being #4 all time in yards was the justification for being elected. Ellard was not an all-time great and he was #4 at this same juncture. Hell, Testaverde and Bledsoe are still both top-8 all-time in passing yards. And neither one of those will - or should - ever sniff at getting in. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 No it isn't. And Martin spent most of his career averaging at or below the NFL average of 4.0 ypc. That is not great and it is not awesome. Nor were all his garbage games against better competition when a real difference-maker was actually needed. Worst RB of all time. OK Kleckineau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 lmao @ talking about Curtis as if he was Adrian Murrell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg3 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 despite the whines of same old jet fans, Curtis Martin will be inducted into the HOF this summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 despite the whines of same old jet fans, Curtis Martin will be inducted into the HOF this summer I wish I had a nickel for every post here and at other sites that incorrectly predicted Martin was a mortal lock to be a first-ballot HOF'er. Good player for a ridiculously long time for the position. Rarely, if ever, a game-changer. Particularly against better defenses. Made a career of taking what his OL gave him and little beyond that. Say you're a GM. You have a window of 3-4 years where your team is a true contender and the only missing piece you perceive is an upgrade over your bad RB's. You can have anyone in history. You seriously telling me Martin would really crack your top 20? I can probably name a dozen backs who will never sniff at the HOF I'd rather have in that situation. We had the guy for years & years and he came up small when we needed a game-changer at the position time after time. He was solid, not great. His longevity was a great accomplishment, but he was not a great RB. That said, I think he's got a decent chance of getting in this year, but only because the crop is relatively weak on offensive skill positions which always get preference. But he's not a top-3 player among the finalists or semi-finalists even in this pretty weak eligibility class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 When he retired, Henry Ellard was #3 all time receiving yards. Testaverde was #5 all-time passing yards. Stop clouding the issue with facts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 It really depends on what qualifications you think some one should have to get into Hall Of Fame- dominant player in the years they played or a good player over the years they played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I get there's plenty of Jets fans out there who aren't big fans and think he's undeserving, but none of that really makes any difference. So if he is in fact undeserving doesn't make any difference? Huh? I know Martin was a good guy. But he also especially under Edwards got way more carries than his production warranted at exactly the time the NFL shifted from stressing one back to backfield by committee as it became more of a passing league. That he stuck around a long time and showed up for work is to his credit. But he was rarely dominant when it mattered. And consider that his cap number at a time when primo RBs were becoming less important probably cost the Jets the ability to fill other roster spots. And if you are going to give me Spermie's choice of any back for a game or a play, Martin's name isn't coming up for a very long time on that list, would guess Martin is high 20s/lows 30s pick. That he was a Jet for a good chunk fo his career doesn't matter as to dominance and greatness. Arguably Riggins and McNeil, despite lesser statistical careers,are 2 Jet backs that I would pick ahead of him without a 2nd thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 So if he is in fact undeserving doesn't make any difference? Huh? No, the fact that one whiny individual on a message board thinks he is undeserving doesn't make a difference. Nice try though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg3 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 riggins is in the HOF Cumar will be in the HOF this summer McNeil can get in if he buys a ticket what's next?? Johnny Johnson and Adrian Murrell were better than Martin opinions?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 riggins is in the HOF Cumar will be in the HOF this summer McNeil can get in if he buys a ticket what's next?? Johnny Johnson and Adrian Murrell were better than Martin opinions?? I Saw them all play. And on his best day Freeman McNeil, despite not lasting nearly as long, was a better back than Martin on his best day. If you wish to say Martin was superior statistically, you would be correct. Further if McNeil didn't play with Johnny Hector, Scott Dierking and Bruce Harper during his career he might have had the number of carries Martin regulalry got here druing the Edwards Error. As he would do with Larry Johson in KC, dumbass Herm habitually gave his "big back" way too many carries with Martin, often to the detriment of the offense and the health of said back. Mcneil rightly never got that kind of foolish treatment. BG- Not Whining. Merely pointing out that sentence was illogical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 on his best day Freeman McNeil, despite not lasting nearly as long, was a better back than Martin on his best day. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg3 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 just my opinion but Curtis Martin was a hall of fame running back, Freeman McNeil a never ever running back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 just my opinion but Curtis Martin was a hall of fame running back, Freeman McNeil a never ever running back <insert facepalm> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Freeman mcneil was much better than Cmar, not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg3 Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 not according to anybody in the NFL but you are entitled to your opinion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENLANTERN Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Curtis Martin was a good football player and is a great human being who deserves this honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergen Jet Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 just my opinion but Curtis Martin was a hall of fame running back, Freeman McNeil a never ever running back Did you ever see Freeman play? Dude racked up 11,000 yards from scrimmage despite his durability. He was a 3 time pro bowler in his first 5 years I believe. He has the same number of all pro selections and rushing titles as CuMar, averaged half a yard more per carry and 3 yards more per reception. CuMar is one of my favorite players of all time, but diminishing Freeman just tells me that you never saw him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Did you ever see Freeman play? Dude racked up 11,000 yards from scrimmage despite his durability. He was a 3 time pro bowler in his first 5 years I believe. He has the same number of all pro selections and rushing titles as CuMar, averaged half a yard more per carry and 3 yards more per reception. CuMar is one of my favorite players of all time, but diminishing Freeman just tells me that you never saw him play. Sadly McNeil was basically done due to durability after those first five seasons with the exception of one more good year. If I had a choice betweeen a McNeil healthy versus Martin, I take McNeil but for their careers Curtis wins out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 No it isn't. And Martin spent most of his career averaging at or below the NFL average of 4.0 ypc. That is not great and it is not awesome. Nor were all his garbage games against better competition when a real difference-maker was actually needed. Worst RB of all time. I don't think he ever averaged below 4.0 and was actually at 4.5 for his career. O.J. ended at 4.7. I think your short list of Jets you actually have anything good to say about is quite small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg3 Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Did you ever see Freeman play? Dude racked up 11,000 yards from scrimmage despite his durability. He was a 3 time pro bowler in his first 5 years I believe. He has the same number of all pro selections and rushing titles as CuMar, averaged half a yard more per carry and 3 yards more per reception. CuMar is one of my favorite players of all time, but diminishing Freeman just tells me that you never saw him play. saw him play his entire career, certainly long enough to recognize that he doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame other than by purchasing an admission ticket to visit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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