BroadwayJ667 Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 A dissapointing season, and a collapse seems to cloud everyone's minds in this "what have you done lately league." Mark Sanchez has gone from being one of the more promising young quarterbacks to a pariah in a matter of a year. In the NFL the saying goes that "the quarterback gets too much credit when the team wins and too much blame when the team loses." Lets look at some quick stats. The Jets are 27-20 in the regular season with Mark at QB, and 4-2 in the playoffs with him. He has somewhere near 10 comeback wins in the last two seasons, and his numbers have gotten better, albeit slowly, each season. Are the numbers what you want to see out of a franchise quarterback, no, but do we want a winner, or a guy who throws for 300 yards and loses. In the 2009 draft many "experts" had Mark as the more talented quarterback over Matt Stafford, including NFL Networks Mike Mayock. Mayock, according to many in the NFL might be the most qualified talent evaluator in the media's draft process. http://www.nfl.com/d...t-each-position time 2:08 In the NFL winning is only achieved as a team, that includes the coaches. Brian Schottenhiemer has been taking the blame for the offense for at least four years and seemingly no one was sad to see him go. His play calls were puzzling at time and he was increasingly resistant to mesh with Rex Ryan and the style of offense that would compliment the defense. Most would agree that Sanchez's strengths lie in working off the play action, throwing deep passes and rolling out of the pocket. Yet the offense in 2011 seemed to work towards aspects that Mark Sanchez has not developed or will never be good at. The best coaches in the NFL are ones that put their players in places to succeed. The offesive line was the biggest disappointment for the 2011 Jets. The line seeimingly could no longer generate a push to the second levels of the defense and the pass protection consistently suffered. It took a huge step back, as the Yards-Per-Carry in 2010 was 4.4 and regressed to 3.8 in 2011. Additionally Sanchez was sacked the 5th most times in 2011. Now in no way is Sanchez without blame. He continued to miss wide open reads and his accuracy did not progress. Additionally when something would go wrong in the game Mark seemed to go into a shell and as a whole the offense would suffer. In 2011 we were exposed to an anomaly of a quarterback named Tim Tebow. Many marveled at his ability to lead back the Bronco's when all seemed lost in the 4th quarter. Statistically Tebow is abysmal, yet when the game is on the line he makes the plays. While neither Sanchez or Tebow had a penchant for putting up attractive numbers, when the game was on the line, each had the ability to lead their team back. In 2011 the New York Jets were exposed to have a poisonous locker room. In the NFL teams almost never win with locker room turmoil. It saps away the desire to win and players become "me first" and no longer make the sacrifices that go hand-in-hand with winning games. This is a fixable situation. One that requires removing certain players from the locker room, such as Plaxico Burress, and returing to an offseason that includes Rex Ryans team building at SUNY Cortland. This all being said, changes have been made that should correct the issues. The hiring of Tony Sparano will bering in an offense that will compliment the Jets suffocating defense. A ball control style offense that will include a healthy dose of play action. In all 2012 will be the tell tale sign of Mark Sanchez's abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 My point is that everyone is piling on Sanchez and that I believe it is because everyone has been waiting to pile on after Rex's bravado and a disappointing season. I've seen enough to know Mark can win a Super Bowl, but he must be put in a position to succeed and Schotty did nothing to do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I don't want a safety, I want a guy who's a winner. Over the last 3 years, Eric Smith is 4-2 in the playoffs with a 27-20 record (or close to it). We better not try to upgrade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I've seen enough of Eric Smith to know he can win a Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I don't want a safety, I want a guy who's a winner. Over the last 3 years, Eric Smith is 4-2 in the playoffs with a 27-20 record (or close to it). We better not try to upgrade him. Not with those back to back AFC Championship disappearances. Why screw with success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 Yes. Thank you EY, everyone knows your position, care to back it up with more than one or two troll sentences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Am I missing something? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Stop trying to defend yourself against EY It's obvious, he just doesn't get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Do we get Oregon St this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 Seriously? Yes, I see talent, the guy can make the throws, what I don't see is good decison making and I saw a lot of poor coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Yes, I see talent, the guy can make the throws, what I don't see is good decison making and I saw a lot of poor coaching. Good thing we've got an OC renowned for his ability to magically fix the decision-making of retarded quarterbacks. Yes. Thank you EY, everyone knows your position, care to back it up with more than one or two troll sentences Not for nothing, but posting a 500+ word defense of Mark Sanchez and then asking "am I missing something?" is uber-trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Yes. Thank you EY, everyone knows your position, care to back it up with more than one or two troll sentences Why bother? Sanchez apologists ignore the fact that the offense has never been good under him (they blame schotty often exclusively) and that the defense carried us to those playoff wins as evidenced by the fact that we held teams under their average scoring while still scoring under the averages the opposing defenses let up and still won. They ignore that Sanchez has always been at the bottom of the league in not only the advanced metrics, but also in QB rating, yards per attempt, and completion percentage. Further, Sanchez apologists ignore that even his completed passes are off target, that he holds the ball too long, that he often locks on to his WRs, that he has horrific field vision as evidenced by his terrible decision making and INTs. Instead, blaming the offensive line, a myth that Pro Football Focus pretty much blew up. They blame WRs not getting open, which is something that without game film cannot be determined and contradicts many who have gone to games and reported that Sanchez is simply not seeing open guys. In sum, there's nothing positive to say about him as a player except his record, which in any objective analysis, really has more to do with the defense than him. So, in reality, before this post I said just as much as you in my "trolling", as you provided absolutely nothing of substance... Nothing personal of course, because there's nothing of substance that defends Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Stop trying to defend yourself against EY It's obvious, he just doesn't get it I "get it". Your belief is based on hope, and nothing else. You've admitted as much. That's fine. But, once objective conversation starts, you might as well politely excuse yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Ok - fine let's get rid of Sanchez - let's just say that P.Manning is not available (I believe 99.9% that he ain't gonna be back in the league) - who else are you going to bring in to replace him? ...and be serious please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 Fine I guess I just have to support my argument with facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Yes, I see talent, the guy can make the throws, what I don't see is good decison making and I saw a lot of poor coaching. What throws? How many starting QB's in the league can you NOT say that about? You talk about playoff records as if he's Bob Gibson. Do you really think Mark Sanchez "won" those games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkopzVbcXkQ&list=FLrPelCmkI8WH9uy4NM2fwvQ&index=5&feature=plpp_video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BroadwayJ667 Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81adeade/GameDay-Jets-vs-Dolphins-highlights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Jets best hope is that Schitty was the devil and that Sparano would devise an O around Sanchez that would maximize his success, similar to what Dan Henning did for 1st round bust Vinny in 1998. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 http://www.nfl.com/v...1-yard-TD-catch http://www.nfl.com/v...tchery-49-yards http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81b651c3/Braylon-Edwards-32-yard-TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 1) In your first video, I could have made that throw. 2) Funny how there is no video of his "highlights" from the rest of that game. He was HORRIFIC for most of it, if you remember. 3) That throw to Edwards was not a great throw by any stretch of the imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 2) Funny how there is no video of his "highlights" from the rest of that game. He was HORRIFIC for most of it, if you remember. If I can find them I will post em. Clearly he has no talent. Am I defending him yes, do I think he is a hall-of-famer, hell no, but I also think many of you are wrong in asserting that he is the worst quarterback in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Am I defending him yes, do I think he is a hall-of-famer, hell no, but I also think many of you are wrong in asserting that he is the worst quarterback in the league So where does he rank then? 30th? 25th? Is that good enough for a top-5 pick? Is that good enough for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Anyone who says to replace Sanchez with a guy like Flynn is crazy. One good game by Flynn and that's all you need, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Anyone who says to replace Sanchez with a guy like Flynn is crazy. One good game by Flynn and that's all you need, really? Why not? A dozen half-decent throws are apparently enough to justify keeping Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Why not? A dozen half-decent throws are apparently enough to justify keeping Sanchez. Yeah because he's only ever thrown 6 half-decent passes, right? Come on man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I don't want a safety, I want a guy who's a winner. Over the last 3 years, Eric Smith is 4-2 in the playoffs with a 27-20 record (or close to it). We better not try to upgrade him. So what you are saying here is that QB is "just another position" Why worry about it so much then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I watched enough games in person to know Sanchez is the real deal... He cannot succeed if the play sucks... Nobody can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 Arguing with the angry mob is never easy. So let's get this straight. Most of you have given up on him correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I will see your Sanchez youtube highlights and raise you Kwame Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbone Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Why not? A dozen half-decent throws are apparently enough to justify keeping Sanchez. Lol. Notice he didn't post any of the countless highlights that directly lead to a Jets loss. They don't count. Can we get some highlights of some of those pick 6s or those fumble recoveries returned for TDs, or maybe throw in a dozen sacks of 9+ yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I "get it". Your belief is based on hope, and nothing else. You've admitted as much. That's fine. But, once objective conversation starts, you might as well politely excuse yourself. Proof is in the pudding dude Jets have made 2 AFC Championships with the guy leading the way. He alone almost brought us back in the Pittsburgh game last year. Bad year, yes...bail on hte guy no Now you, well you're a big talker that has an opinion...nothing more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I will see your Sanchez youtube highlights and raise you Kwame Brown. POTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Lol. Notice he didn't post any of the countless highlights that directly lead to a Jets loss. They don't count. Can we get some highlights of some of those pick 6s or those fumble recoveries returned for TDs, or maybe throw in a dozen sacks of 9+ yards. Please tell me your screenname is a Johnny Mnemonic reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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