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Report: Zero chance Jets trade up for Trent Richardson

Posted by Josh Alper on April 26, 2012, 10:26 AM EDT

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Sal Paolantonio’s report that the Jets have Alabama running back Trent Richardson asthe top player on their board touched off a wave of speculation that the Jets would make a big move to go up and get him.

It was called unlikely on Wednesday afternoon and there’s even stronger words Thursday from the man who started it all off. Paolantonio reports Thursday that a Jets official told him there is a “0.0 percent chance” that the Jets pay the price they need to pay to get Richardson. The only caveat to that report was that the Jets could change their mind if they get a sweetheart deal, but there’s not a high likelihood of that happening.

As always, this could be misdirection meant to obscure the Jets’ true intentions. The fact remains that the team has too many needs to give up a big part of this draft for one player.

The ESPN report went on to say that the Jets’ top targets with the 16th overall pick are South Carolina linebacker Melvin Ingram and Notre Dame wide receiver Michael Floyd. Both players would fill major needs for the Jets. So would Stanford guard David DeCastro, said to be the team’s fallback option if Ingram and Floyd are already off the board. The Jets would likely move DeCastro to right tackle under that scenario.

This is good news, imo.

If Ingram, Floyd and DeCastro are all gone... I wonder if we'd trade back? That'd be awesome, pick up more 3rd/4th/5th rounders and still get a player we like later in R1.

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It was settled BEFORE the first thread on the matter. This dumb speculation based on nothing drives me nuts!

Some of us understand that, others need a bit more convincing... you can't blame anyone for being skeptical about the decision making of the Jets front office... there's a reason the draft blunders videos are all shrouded in green and white, and its not just because of all the Jets boo-birds in the audience...

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You are kind of misstating the article here. "There is ZERO chance of the Jets trading up for T-Rich at the current asking price."

I didn't mis-state anything. I copy/pasted it from PFT. Its a PFT article, of course its crap...

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6'5" 316 lbs with 10" hands, 33" arm length. Didn't know that was considered small.

316 is not big on a 6'5" frame. For a guard he should be around 6'2". If he was any kind of athlete he would have been at tackle with his size in college. Especially since he was overpowered in college at guard. But regardless he played LG in college and looked overpowered at times by all accounts. Right side of the line is called the "strong" side for a reason. Bigger, stronger defenders are put there. But dont take my word for it. I'm sure the Jets will pick someone like this and we can all complain that he spends most of the game on his a$$.

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6'5" 316 lbs with 10" hands, 33" arm length. Didn't know that was considered small.

Seriously. DeCastro is a large, athletic Guard who projects pretty well to RT and gives us flexibility on the line. Not gonna lie...I'm warming up to this pick a lot.

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Seriously. DeCastro is a large, athletic Guard who projects pretty well to RT and gives us flexibility on the line. Not gonna lie...I'm warming up to this pick a lot.

Seriously. DeCastro is a large, athletic Guard who projects pretty well to RT and gives us flexibility on the line. Not gonna lie...I'm warming up to this pick a lot.

Again. He is not big. You want bruisers on the right side of your line. Unless they plan on starting Tebow. Right handed QB means right side is the strong side.

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316 is not big on a 6'5" frame. For a guard he should be around 6'2". If he was any kind of athlete he would have been at tackle with his size in college. Especially since he was overpowered in college at guard. But regardless he played LG in college and looked overpowered at times by all accounts. Right side of the line is called the "strong" side for a reason. Bigger, stronger defenders are put there. But dont take my word for it. I'm sure the Jets will pick someone like this and we can all complain that he spends most of the game on his a$$.

Where in the world did you get this from? Every account of him I have seen says he is a superb athlete, very powerful and almost never gets beat except for an occasional tendency to play too high, which sounds pretty fixable to me. I have never seen a reputable review that says he isnt' strong enough to play in the NFL.

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Where in the world did you get this from? Every account of him I have seen says he is a superb athlete, very powerful and almost never gets beat except for an occasional tendency to play too high, which sounds pretty fixable to me. I have never seen a reputable review that says he isnt' strong enough to play in the NFL.

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Not dominant as a drive blocker"

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Defensive tackles with elite power can anchor or move him off the snap"

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1631907/david-decastro

This is one of many, many reports out there that say the same thing. He is a zone blocker dude. If you want to draft him to play LG, fine. But he will never be a RT. Period. No way in hell I want to spend a first on a LG.

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316 is not big on a 6'5" frame. For a guard he should be around 6'2". If he was any kind of athlete he would have been at tackle with his size in college. Especially since he was overpowered in college at guard. But regardless he played LG in college and looked overpowered at times by all accounts. Right side of the line is called the "strong" side for a reason. Bigger, stronger defenders are put there. But dont take my word for it. I'm sure the Jets will pick someone like this and we can all complain that he spends most of the game on his a$$.

He's a small, ATHLETIC guard according to your post. Now that he's bigger--he's somehow not as athletic? And the strong side is the side with an extra man, usually a TE, not a bigger player.

and D'brick is 6'6" 310.

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He's a small, ATHLETIC guard according to your post. Now that he's bigger--he's somehow not as athletic? And the strong side is the side with an extra man, usually a TE, not a bigger player.

and D'brick is 6'6" 310.

Wrong. Strong side is the side with bigger, more powerful, less athletic blockers. With a right handed QB you run power to your bigger more powerful side of the line. This way play action is more effective.

D'Brick is the perfect example btw. He is a smaller athletic tackle. Thats why he plays on the left.

I'm not trying to be mean - but how much football do you watch?

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Steve Hutchinson. Pretty good Guard. 6'5" 313 lbs.

Those numbers sound familiar? I watch a lot of football and I'd be happy if we got anywhere near Hutch's ability and production from a first round pick - even at the LG position.

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Wrong. Strong side is the side with bigger, more powerful, less athletic blockers. With a right handed QB you run power to your bigger more powerful side of the line. This way play action is more effective.

No.. it's called the strong side when you have an extra man there, usually a TE.

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No.. it's called the strong side when you have an extra man there, usually a TE.

Are you serious? That is NOT why it's called the strong side. The TE most times will line up on the strong side because if you have a right handed QB you want to run it to the right side which makes play action more effective. Which is again why you want your right side to be the strong side of your line. Where as you want the left side to be more athletic to protect your QB's blindside. This is football 101 dude.

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Steve Hutchinson. Pretty good Guard. 6'5" 313 lbs.

Those numbers sound familiar? I watch a lot of football and I'd be happy if we got anywhere near Hutch's ability and production from a first round pick - even at the LG position.

Hutch didnt get overpowered by stronger defenders. Mostly because he is on the left side though so he wasnt exposed to many. He was asked to block 3 techniques or get out to the second level. if he was more of a mauler than athletic he would have been moved to the right too. Prolly not strong enough to play on the right either though.

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You might want to re-take that class...

"The right tackle (RT) is usually the team's best run blocker. Most running plays are towards the strong side (the side with the tight end) of the offensive line. Consequently the right tackle will face the defending team's best run stoppers. He must be able to gain traction in his blocks so that the running back can find a hole to run through."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tackle_(American_football)

Yeah ok dude. lol

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No.. it's called the strong side when you have an extra man there, usually a TE.

Are you serious? That is NOT why it's called the strong side.

the strong side (the side with the tight end) of the offensive line.

Yeah ok dude. lol

Do they teach remedial football? I think he's missing some of the prerequisites for 101.

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Do they teach remedial football? I think he's missing some of the prerequisites for 101.

Most times the TE does line up there because its the run side (with a righthanded QB). The TE is not required to line up there and that is not what makes it the strong side. You would not put your best run blocking tackle on the left side unless you have a leafthanded QB. And then you would again line your TE up there are well - but again if you CHOOSE to. But you can line your TE up on each side as well if you desire or eitehr side. That doesnt take away from the fact that your RT is more Damien Woody or Vernon Carey than he is D'Brick. I guess you missed the part about the Right Tackle being the teams best run blocker?

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"The right tackle (RT) is usually the team's best run blocker. Most running plays are towards the strong side (the side with the tight end) of the offensive line. Consequently the right tackle will face the defending team's best run stoppers. He must be able to gain traction in his blocks so that the running back can find a hole to run through."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tackle_(American_football)

Yeah ok dude. lol

Dude, your quote is explaining that the strong side of the formation is the side where the TE lines up. The fact that most teams have their pass blocking specialist on the left and their road grader on the right is inconsequential.

Holy mackerel.

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Dude, your quote is explaining that the strong side of the formation is the side where the TE lines up. The fact that most teams have their pass blocking specialist on the left and their road grader on the right is inconsequential.

Holy mackerel.

Dooood, you don't know anything about football! Go back to Pop Warner, tard.

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Most times the TE does line up there because its the run side (with a righthanded QB). The TE is not required to line up there and that is not what makes it the strong side. You would not put your best run blocking tackle on the left side unless you have a leafthanded QB. And then you would again line your TE up there are well - but again if you CHOOSE to. But you can line your TE up on each side as well if you desire or eitehr side. That doesnt take away from the fact that your RT is more Damien Woody or Vernon Carey than he is D'Brick. I guess you missed the part about the Right Tackle being the teams best run blocker?

No.

Let's try this once more: find the Center on the football field. The strong side is whichever side has more players on their side of the Center. Again, this usually means a TE, but not always.

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This is good news, imo.

If Ingram, Floyd and DeCastro are all gone... I wonder if we'd trade back? That'd be awesome, pick up more 3rd/4th/5th rounders and still get a player we like later in R1.

If those three are gone, in my heart the jets will take Stephen Hill

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Are you serious? That is NOT why it's called the strong side. The TE most times will line up on the strong side because if you have a right handed QB you want to run it to the right side which makes play action more effective. Which is again why you want your right side to be the strong side of your line. Where as you want the left side to be more athletic to protect your QB's blindside. This is football 101 dude.

Sorry bro. Strong side is the side with more blockers on the line. Just do a quick google search and you will see you are wrong. The extra blocker could be a tight end, a full back or a wide receiver flexed in tight to the formation.

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