Ryno the Jet Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 The NFL Will Make Its All-22 Film Available To Everyone Next Year, And Football Writing Will Never Be The Same Again By Jack DickeyJun 15, 2012 3:05 PM http://deadspin.com/5918786/?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow Rejoice, football dorks! The NFL evidently rolled out its Game Rewind 2012 today and announced that there'll be real full-game-length All-22 film in there. This is big. For the vast majority of football fans, those who enjoy the games just fine with Cleatus the Hoppin' Fox Robot and Phil Simms's Appalachian intonation on short-I sounds, this won't make a difference. The public availability of All-22 film won't change the way broadcasters work, either, because many TV analysts have access to the private film. (Cris Collinsworth frequently—and endearingly—talks about all the film he's broken down.) But here's what will change: We'll soon see a lot of hobbyists learning much more about how the game works and bringing that new knowledge to a broad audience, kind of like what Sebastian Pruiti and his kind did for NBA basketball. Football journalists (except those at the stadium) always had to watch the games like everyone else does, relying on television camera angles that do little to show line play and coverage in the secondary. If you wanted to dig deeper, you had to play Madden. Football Outsiders and Pro Football Focus did what they could, but the numbers—gleaned from watching taped TV presentations of the games—weren't as precise as they could be. Now, we'll know for sure which defensive back got beat on a given play, and we'll know for sure which lineman on the left side gave up the pressure. We'll have a much better sense of the coverages and blocking schemes teams run, because writers will distill all of this for us and publish it. (You won't have to watch the game tape, and lucky you, because it's captured in 4:3—not HD-friendly—and without sound.) And, make no mistake, the NFL directly resisted that enlightenment. As Reed Albergotti wrote in the Wall Street Journal last year: Charley Casserly, a former general manager who was a member of the NFL's competition committee, says he voted against releasing All-22 footage because he worried that if fans had access, it would open players and teams up to a level of criticism far beyond the current hum of talk radio. Casserly believed fans would jump to conclusions after watching one or two games in the All 22, without knowing the full story. Bye-bye, gnosticism, hello, chaos. It'll be a rough few years for the NFL's worst coaches. But, maybe a decade or two from now, we'll see the NFL's coaching ranks full of kids who grew up dissecting All 22. It worked pretty well for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 this is cool. but i would love it if they would just let us buy the ******* games online live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Can someone explain to me what this actually means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Can someone explain to me what this actually means? You can see DBs, WRs, TEs, and LBs better, if you want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Can someone explain to me what this actually means? All 22 is essentially the coaches film of a play. Its the overshot camera that will give you the view of all 22 players on the field. You should have the ability to zoom in and out to get better looks at plays and players as well. I think its been available internationally for a few years now. Basically if you are someone looking to track stats and data on plays and players its a dream come true. If you are a coach at any level or want to get into scouting its great. For most of us its something we probably end up spending 60 bucks on, rarely using it, and then not renewing. The NFL in the past has been against this because they dont want certain players getting ripped. For example you can easily see with this footage when WRs quit on a play, when a QB misses a player, a safety heads in the wrong direction, when someone falls down in a route, uninterested players, etc...The TV footgae is only going to show you the visible play. This footage lets you see what maybe led to that result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 You can see DBs, WRs, TEs, and LBs better, if you want to. All 22 is essentially the coaches film of a play. Its the overshot camera that will give you the view of all 22 players on the field. You should have the ability to zoom in and out to get better looks at plays and players as well. I think its been available internationally for a few years now. Basically if you are someone looking to track stats and data on plays and players its a dream come true. If you are a coach at any level or want to get into scouting its great. For most of us its something we probably end up spending 60 bucks on, rarely using it, and then not renewing. The NFL in the past has been against this because they dont want certain players getting ripped. For example you can easily see with this footage when WRs quit on a play, when a QB misses a player, a safety heads in the wrong direction, when someone falls down in a route, uninterested players, etc...The TV footgae is only going to show you the visible play. This footage lets you see what maybe led to that result. Thank you. That is what I was hoping it meant. This is not going to be good for Cromartie. Seeing him avoiding tackles and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Thank you. That is what I was hoping it meant. This is not going to be good for Cromartie. Seeing him avoiding tackles and all. Pfft, more like this isn't gonna be good for the wide outs that Cromartie shuts down without ever actually ever tackling them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I'm getting my pitch fork ready now, for the film of santonio Holmes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I'm getting my pitch fork ready now, for the film of santonio Holmes... Watching him live for the last couple of years was bad enough... He quits on plays frequently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Thank you. That is what I was hoping it meant. This is not going to be good for Cromartie. Seeing him avoiding tackles and all. It won't be bad ... he does miss a few ... but the guy he's most afraid to hit is with us now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Can someone explain to me what this actually means? You'll be able to watch exactly how many plays Santonio Holmes gives up on, forcing Mark Sanchez to have a seizure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Charley Casserly, a former general manager who was a member of the NFL's competition committee, says he voted against releasing All-22 footage because he worried that if fans had access, it would open players and teams up to a level of criticism far beyond the current hum of talk radio. Casserly believed fans would jump to conclusions after watching one or two games in the All 22, without knowing the full story. "Heaven forfend the peasants lay their grimy hands on proprietary film, lest they form opinions of their own!" /monocle falls into tea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 "Heaven forfend the peasants lay their grimy hands on proprietary film, lest they form opinions of their own!" /monocle falls into tea The humans may also derive that Zion has been created and destroyed six times before, and will, again, a seventh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 All 22 is essentially the coaches film of a play. Its the overshot camera that will give you the view of all 22 players on the field. You should have the ability to zoom in and out to get better looks at plays and players as well. I think its been available internationally for a few years now. Basically if you are someone looking to track stats and data on plays and players its a dream come true. If you are a coach at any level or want to get into scouting its great. For most of us its something we probably end up spending 60 bucks on, rarely using it, and then not renewing. The NFL in the past has been against this because they dont want certain players getting ripped. For example you can easily see with this footage when WRs quit on a play, when a QB misses a player, a safety heads in the wrong direction, when someone falls down in a route, uninterested players, etc...The TV footgae is only going to show you the visible play. This footage lets you see what maybe led to that result. this is a great explanation and let me just add a couple points 1) wish the NCAA would do this... would bring the draft websites to the next level. 2) it's not just gonna be bad for bad players it's gonna be good for good players who are being bashed unfairly, for example the stats of how many times Santonio Holmes was open and not targeted in 2011, and could compare that to other WR 3) Max if the all-22 camera was in the old Giants Stadium it would be right around the big speaker behind the end-zone. It's high and directly behind the action. Not a bad way to watch the game, btw. You can see alot more real football from the cheap seats in any stadium. I've sat in up front seats and yes it's great when the receiver catches a touchdown right in 'your' corner of the endzone. but all-22 films is the viewpoint of the pros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 this is a great explanation and let me just add a couple points 1) wish the NCAA would do this... would bring the draft websites to the next level. 2) it's not just gonna be bad for bad players it's gonna be good for good players who are being bashed unfairly, for example the stats of how many times Santonio Holmes was open and not targeted in 2011, and could compare that to other WR 3) Max if the all-22 camera was in the old Giants Stadium it would be right around the big speaker behind the end-zone. It's high and directly behind the action. Not a bad way to watch the game, btw. You can see alot more real football from the cheap seats in any stadium. I've sat in up front seats and yes it's great when the receiver catches a touchdown right in 'your' corner of the endzone. but all-22 films is the viewpoint of the pros. Awesome, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Thank you. That is what I was hoping it meant. This is not going to be good for Cromartie. Seeing him avoiding tackles and all. Shouldn't bother Cro much. When he misses a tackle it is usually front and center on your TV.. Who it will hurt is a player like Holmes just trotting thru a route because he isn't the #1 receiver on the play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Can someone explain to me what this actually means? lmao i'm just happy with watching the entire field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war ensemble Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 You know who this will help? All the receivers who do DOWNFIELD BLOCKING!!!!?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 This is NFL gamerewind right? Im about to order this now. You can see games in HD all the way back to 09. I'd like to see Cam Newtons rookie season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 it's gonna be "blame-apalooza ? yay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 You know who this will help? All the receivers who do DOWNFIELD BLOCKING!!!!?!! The Jets put a premium on WR blocking...so they should have some happy campers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 This does seem very cool. Anyone have a clue how much it is going to cost? Boy, it should make the Monday debates very interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 This does seem very cool. Anyone have a clue how much it is going to cost? Boy, it should make the Monday debates very interesting I believe its this. https://gamerewind.nfl.com/nflgr/secure/packages?ttv=3&ttp=3 $70....I can do this. I watch football primarily online now anyway so this would be a good thing. I can finally get HD and get the coaches view. Being able to watch every play from a different view will bring a whole new feel to the viewing experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsouth Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Been watching Game Rewind since it was made available..a while back, and the coaches film has always been a part of it. Not sure what this difference is supposed to be. My renewal always comes at an odd time, and I have to pay a full subscription just to get the last two months before the new *release* or whatever this is, so I can watch games on vacation... I can hook up my laptop to most displays put it on full screen and voila, football 24/7/365.. all the games, any game, with no commercials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I believe its this. https://gamerewind.n...ges?ttv=3&ttp=3 $70....I can do this. I watch football primarily online now anyway so this would be a good thing. I can finally get HD and get the coaches view. Being able to watch every play from a different view will bring a whole new feel to the viewing experience. Thanks Villain Yeah I'm in for $70. I'm assuming that the reduced price for following just the Jets doesn't include the coaches film. But yeah $70 is reasonable. Only thing I don't like is it isn't available until after the Sunday-night game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Happy Fathers Day to me! This is great stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kay_gee Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I can't decide how I feel about this. As a writer, I'm glad this will be available to me. As someone who already has to sift through all the crap there is on the internet, adding even more people who think they know what they're talking about to the already overcrowded Jets blogosphere is sort of unappealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Thanks Villain Yeah I'm in for $70. I'm assuming that the reduced price for following just the Jets doesn't include the coaches film. But yeah $70 is reasonable. Only thing I don't like is it isn't available until after the Sunday-night game Yeah, I just found out. I thought Rewind meant that right after the game. Its hard to not find out the outcome until the following day. Its still good though, there's a few other teams that I want to follow this year. Cam, Griffin III and Alshon Jeffery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsouth Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Yeah, I just found out. I thought Rewind meant that right after the game. Its hard to not find out the outcome until the following day. Its still good though, there's a few other teams that I want to follow this year. Cam, Griffin III and Alshon Jeffery. I *thought* the Coaches Film was part of the package, but it was only on certain plays last year and since 09 when it started. I am kind of surprised, I thought just about everyone who was an NFL fan had Game Rewind. Until I got the NFL package from my sat provider, I lived on GR. In fact, I think I liked it better without NFL LIVE... I could go fishing on Sunday, and watch every game through the rest of the week.. I spend more time on Game Rewind than anything else. You can watch every player, every play, over and over, 10 sec backups, or forward, no commercials..it is really sweet. They have effectually doubled the price since last year... It was 40 bucks for everything, now its 70 and 40 for just the season without the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 someone mentioned this will put pressure on the players and to some extent this is true but I think its going to put much more pressure on the coaches and GM's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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