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"Passing game will work if the running game works.. SAnchez, like almost any NFL QB, can be very effective when the defense is keying on the run."

Tebow starts and the donkeys running game goes from #25 in the NFL to #1 in the NFL in 2011.

In only 16 starts, plus 13 backup plays in 2010 and 10 backup plays in game 5 of 2011, Tebow's TD to T-O Ratio is a sterling 2 to 1, 32 TD's to just 16 Turnovers.

Tim's 2011 'cold off the bench' Passing with both Lloyd and Gaffney gone/traded still yielded 12 TD's to just 6 Ints.

With a good 'TEAM' and competent coaches to work with, Tebow can get the job done,,,, if Mark doesn't..... :)

Sorry to rain on your Tebow parade, but Tebow's "success" in 2011 with the Donkeys is unlikely to be repeated.

  • Since teams didn't have film on him for most of his regular season games, the teams that played him early allowed him to get lucky late and build his "legend".
  • A number of Denver defensive starters were injured in TC or early in the season, and started returning to the line-up about when Tebow was inserted as QB so Tebow benefitted from the Donkeys being in close games.
  • Belichick was the first coach to figure how to defense Tebow. Gailey and Crennell in Buffalo and KC quickly followed suit, resulting in 3 straight losses for the Donkeys to end the season. Tebow threw 5 INTs in those three games and only 1 or 2 TDs IIRC.
  • Dick Lebeau in Pitt thought he didn't have to follow the formula, and maybe he wouldn't have had to if Roethlisberger was healthy. Tebow, like the proverbial blind squirrel that finds a nut, got lucky in OT, but his luck ran out when he faced Belichick and the Pats again, who abused the Donkeys to the tune of 45-10 in the next game.
  • The formula for beating Tebow as established by NE, BUFF, and KC is simple: contain the run and force him to pass into zone coverage because Tebow is such a great, accurate passer that if the DBs stick to their assignments, they have as good a chance of coming down with a Tebow pass as the WR, and a better chance to defend it. The NFL is a copycat league; every team will follow suit if Tebow becomes the starter.

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Sorry to rain on your Tebow parade, but Tebow's "success" in 2011 with the Donkeys is unlikely to be repeated.

  • Since teams didn't have film on him for most of his regular season games, the teams that played him early allowed him to get lucky late and build his "legend".
  • A number of Denver defensive starters were injured in TC or early in the season, and started returning to the line-up about when Tebow was inserted as QB so Tebow benefitted from the Donkeys being in close games.
  • Belichick was the first coach to figure how to defense Tebow. Gailey and Crennell in Buffalo and KC quickly followed suit, resulting in 3 straight losses for the Donkeys to end the season. Tebow threw 5 INTs in those three games and only 1 or 2 TDs IIRC.
  • Dick Lebeau in Pitt thought he didn't have to follow the formula, and maybe he wouldn't have had to if Roethlisberger was healthy. Tebow, like the proverbial blind squirrel that finds a nut, got lucky in OT, but his luck ran out when he faced Belichick and the Pats again, who abused the Donkeys to the tune of 45-10 in the next game.
  • The formula for beating Tebow as established by NE, BUFF, and KC is simple: contain the run and force him to pass into zone coverage because Tebow is such a great, accurate passer that if the DBs stick to their assignments, they have as good a chance of coming down with a Tebow pass as the WR, and a better chance to defend it. The NFL is a copycat league; every team will follow suit if Tebow becomes the starter.

Tebow is a much more accomplished QB at every level, from HS to the NFL than Sanchez is.

No he's not,,,,

Oh yes he is,,,,

OH NO HE'S NOT!!!

HELL YES HE IS!!!!!!

All you have are your own biased speculations and opinions on what might happen. :animal0029:

While all I have are the on the field results of what has already actually happened. :winking0001:

But the lively 'factual' stat and record based debate continues on unabated, by those that have a clue.

In 2010/11 with a 7-8 Year Veteran NFL QB, those same donkeys went 4-14. FACT

In 2010/11 with a 'cold off the bench' Rookie QB, those same donkeys went 9-7. FACT

And your own speculation bs smells about the same as usual....

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Tebow is a much more accomplished QB at every level, from HS to the NFL than Sanchez is.

No he's not,,,,

Oh yes he is,,,,

OH NO HE'S NOT!!!

HELL YES HE IS!!!!!!

All you have are your own biased speculations and opinions on what might happen. :animal0029:

While all I have are the on the field results of what has already actually happened. :winking0001:

But the lively 'factual' stat and record based debate continues on unabated, by those that have a clue.

In 2010/11 with a 7-8 Year Veteran NFL QB, those same donkeys went 4-14. FACT

In 2010/11 with a 'cold off the bench' Rookie QB, those same donkeys went 9-7. FACT

And your own speculation bs smells about the same as usual....

You can continue to believe Tim Tebow is the Jets savior if you want, but if he winds up the starter because Sanchez either sucks or gets hurt, the Tebow believers like yourself are going to be in for a rude awakening. Film is NFL coordinators' version of kryptonite which they use to slay Superman on either side of the ball, especially when said Superman is NOT fundamentally sound. Tebow is easily the worse passer who has started on an NFL team in years, even including street FA backups pressed into service because of injuries, and 2 of the coaches who figured out Tebow reside in the AFCE. I'm sure the Fins DC will figure him out quickly, too. Charisma and/or leadership is NOT a substitute for being able to regularly make pass plays.

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"Passing game will work if the running game works.. SAnchez, like almost any NFL QB, can be very effective when the defense is keying on the run."

Tebow starts and the donkeys running game goes from #25 in the NFL to #1 in the NFL in 2011.

In only 16 starts, plus 13 backup plays in 2010 and 10 backup plays in game 5 of 2011, Tebow's TD to T-O Ratio is a sterling 2 to 1, 32 TD's to just 16 Turnovers.

Tim's 2011 'cold off the bench' Passing with both Lloyd and Gaffney gone/traded still yielded 12 TD's to just 6 Ints.

With a good 'TEAM' and competent coaches to work with, Tebow can get the job done,,,, if Mark doesn't..... :)

Was Tebow "cold off the bench" when he was named the starter and accumulated all your glorious stats you post?

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Tebow is easily the worse passer who has started on an NFL team in years, even including street FA backups pressed into service because of injuries. Charisma and/or leadership is NOT a substitute for being able to regularly make pass plays.

Show me the actual passing stats that demonstrate your bogus claims.

That, or just admit to yapping out your butt with nothing more than your own BS speculation leading to your much biased opinions and false statements.

Why don't you post QB Peyton Manning's rookie season stats for us to really prove your point.

Or to keep it more local still, you can even use ANY of Joe Namath's season or career stats.

PS

You're not just incorrect,,,, a certified IDIOT! :animal0029:

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Was Tebow "cold off the bench" when he was named the starter and accumulated all your glorious stats you post?

2010 Preseason few if any 1st team snaps.

2010 Regular season virtually Zero 1st team snaps.

13 Total plays spread over 5 of the first 13 games, while 7th year NFL Vet, 2nd year Bronco QB Orton goes 3-10 (.231).

Thrown in 'COLD OFF THE BENCH' for the final 3 games where he finally did get the 1st team practice snaps, TT goes 1-2 (.333).

2011 Pre-season few if any 1st team snaps.

4th year Brady Quinn a 69 PER

8th year Kyle Orton a 102 PER

3 Start, little work, no off season Tebow has a 104 PER + 5.4 ypc rushing.

So they start 'Best Chance to Win' Kyle Orton giving him All of the 1st team practice work and he promply goes 1-4 and gets benched in the 2nd half of game 6.

Tebow comes in for 10 'COLD OFF THE BENCH' plays and almost brings the lame donkeys back over the Chargers, Tebow later beats them in them in their 2nd game, this time as the starter.

Now Tebow finally gets the 1st team practice snaps, while he teaches OC McCoy about a dozen Read/Option Plays that can work with the WR and RB depleated lame donkey offense.

Tebow goes 7-4 + 1-1 with 14 passing TD's to 7 Ints (playoffs included) plus 7 more rushing TD.

Both seasons the donkeys concentrated on 7-8 year NFL Vet QB Orton giving him the HOT 1st Team Practice snaps.

As a reward for all of the help and focus on him, he went 4-14 (.222) for them in 2010/11.

Tebow then comes in >cold off the bench< in both season as the backup and takes those same donkeys to a 9-7 (.563) record including a Playoff win.

Get it yet? If not, then get your mommie to splain it to ya, dumbazz..... :animal0029:

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Cue Tebow's passing stats in High School in 3...2...1...

Clue Sanchez's 12 TD's to 20 Ints as an every advantage rookie starter.

Clue Sanchez's 55 TD's to 51 Ints in his every advantage 3 NFL every advantage seasons.

Cue another clueless drivel butthead-Bills loser post in 5...4...3...

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Why don't you post QB Peyton Manning's rookie season stats for us to really prove your point.

Or to keep it more local still, you can even use ANY of Joe Namath's season or career stats.

Because that would be really stupid? Posting those stats doesn't prove anything about Tim Tebow or Mark Sanchez. It's just boring.

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2010 Preseason few if any 1st team snaps.

2010 Regular season virtually Zero 1st team snaps.

13 Total plays spread over 5 of the first 13 games, while 7th year NFL Vet, 2nd year Bronco QB Orton goes 3-10 (.231).

Thrown in 'COLD OFF THE BENCH' for the final 3 games where he finally did get the 1st team practice snaps, TT goes 1-2 (.333).

2011 Pre-season few if any 1st team snaps.

4th year Brady Quinn a 69 PER

8th year Kyle Orton a 102 PER

3 Start, little work, no off season Tebow has a 104 PER + 5.4 ypc rushing.

So they start 'Best Chance to Win' Kyle Orton giving him All of the 1st team practice work and he promply goes 1-4 and gets benched in the 2nd half of game 6.

Tebow comes in for 10 'COLD OFF THE BENCH' plays and almost brings the lame donkeys back over the Chargers, Tebow later beats them in them in their 2nd game, this time as the starter.

Now Tebow finally gets the 1st team practice snaps, while he teaches OC McCoy about a dozen Read/Option Plays that can work with the WR and RB depleated lame donkey offense.

Tebow goes 7-4 + 1-1 with 14 passing TD's to 7 Ints (playoffs included) plus 7 more rushing TD.

Both seasons the donkeys concentrated on 7-8 year NFL Vet QB Orton giving him the HOT 1st Team Practice snaps.

As a reward for all of the help and focus on him, he went 4-14 (.222) for them in 2010/11.

Tebow then comes in >cold off the bench< in both season as the backup and takes those same donkeys to a 9-7 (.563) record including a Playoff win.

Get it yet? If not, then get your mommie to splain it to ya, dumbazz..... :animal0029:

Oh, okay, so Tebow didnt start all those games for the Broncos and didnt take all the first team snaps in practice. Must have been freezing, poor guy.

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Show me the actual passing stats that demonstrate your bogus claims.

That, or just admit to yapping out your butt with nothing more than your own BS speculation leading to your much biased opinions and false statements.

Why don't you post QB Peyton Manning's rookie season stats for us to really prove your point.

Or to keep it more local still, you can even use ANY of Joe Namath's season or career stats.

PS

You're not just incorrect,,,, a certified IDIOT! :animal0029:

Tebow completed less than 50% of his passes last season. Sanchez is under fire because his completion percentage is under 60%. NFL QBs are expected to their 60+% of their passes.

More importantly, just watch Tebow throw the ball! He would never be mistaken for even Matt Moore or Ryan Fitzpatrick much less for Tom Brady or Eli Manning.

You do watch Tebow's games, right? Or do you just sit in front of your computer drooling over Timmy's HS win-loss record?

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Oh, okay, so Tebow didnt start all those games for the Broncos and didnt take all the first team snaps in practice. Must have been freezing, poor guy.

So in your football opinion, their is no difference between a QB that gets every 1st team practice snap, from preseason thru game 13, and one that then comes in to finish the last 3 games of the season?

freakin' genius you are.... :animal0029:

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Oh yeah, do you know what Tebow did in highschool? Because THAT proves something.

I've now seen the light, I don't have to base my football opinions on anything but just my own say-so, and therefore, you're a moron and Tebow is the best QB in World history.

Now prove different without using any stats, especially stats like the useless completion % that's never won a single game at any level.

IT'S THE SCORE --- STUPID!

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I've now seen the light, I don't have to base my football opinions on anything but just my own say-so, and therefore, you're a moron and Tebow is the best QB in World history.

Now prove different without using any stats, especially stats like the useless completion % that's never won a single game at any level.

IT'S THE SCORE --- STUPID!

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Tebow completed less than 50% of his passes last season. Sanchez is under fire because his completion percentage is under 60%. NFL QBs are expected to their 60+% of their passes.

More importantly, just watch Tebow throw the ball! He would never be mistaken for even Matt Moore or Ryan Fitzpatrick much less for Tom Brady or Eli Manning.

You do watch Tebow's games, right? Or do you just sit in front of your computer drooling over Timmy's HS win-loss record?

In 4 of Namath's 8 seasons he failed to even manage a 50% completion and 52.9% was his single season high point, along with throwing

40 MORE Ints than TDs. Now apply your own idiotic logic to those facts.

And who cares about the completion % bright boy, after all it's just another of those totally useless, meaningless stats.

However, Tim's NFL record is 9-7 with a 2.11 TD/Int Ratio btw, even though that's just another useless stat..... (twits abound)

Some of your debate like little girls, and that's an insult to the little girls of the world..... :wild:

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Because that would be really stupid? Posting those stats doesn't prove anything about Tim Tebow or Mark Sanchez. It's just boring.

Unlike claiming that Tebow has no arm, can't throw, will never be an NFL QB (even though he's already a 9-7 winning QB with a Playoff win.

But twits like you claiming, that in spite of the evidence, than he not what he's already proven that he is.

So tell me genius, which of these two QB's would you rather have on your team?

1 - 60% completions, 4,051 passing yards, with 21 TD's to 17 Ints, that goes 6-10 in 16 games.

2 - 46.5% completions, 2,898 passing yards, with 19 TD's to 9 Ints, that goes 9-7 in 16 games.

The one you choose might even tell you why the Jets haven't won a SB in decades...... (if your FO is as dumb as some of you are).

All I hear are constantly repeated BS claims that fly in the face ot the actual DEMONSTRATED FACTS.

But of course, that's never boring to a football genius....>>> :animal0029:

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So in your football opinion, their is no difference between a QB that gets every 1st team practice snap, from preseason thru game 13, and one that then comes in to finish the last 3 games of the season?

freakin' genius you are.... :animal0029:

No, there is no difference. It was a brand new playbook that they installed for Tim Tebow. What they were doing in the season, was never part of the preseason. <3 u

I've now seen the light, I don't have to base my football opinions on anything but just my own say-so, and therefore, you're a moron and Tebow is the best QB in World history.

Now prove different without using any stats, especially stats like the useless completion % that's never won a single game at any level.

IT'S THE SCORE --- STUPID!

No, using his High School and College stats to vet him as an NFL caliber pocket passer is stupid. Otherwise, I think you're Football knowledge is superior than 97.5% of the board.

<3 <3

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No, there is no difference. It was a brand new playbook that they installed for Tim Tebow.

What they were doing in the season, was never part of the preseason. <3 u

No, using his High School and College stats to vet him as an NFL caliber pocket passer is stupid.

Otherwise, I think you're Football knowledge is superior than 97.5% of the board.

<3 <3

PAY ATTENTION NOW, CAUSE THESE ARE ALL TEBOW NFL STATS: (you can run from reality, but you can't hide)

Tebow in 2 'cold off the bench' backup seasons for a chitty-loser 4-14 donkey team:

He had 1 pass for a TD and 12 runs with 3 TD's as a rookie non-starter spread across 5 games

before being named the cold off the bench starter for the final 3 games of 2010.

P - 41 of 82, 50% for 654 yds, 15.4 yds/comp with 5 TD's to 3 Ints.

R - 43 for 227 yds, 5.3 ypc with 6 TD's to ZERO LPF's.

Total Offense on 125 rookie plays, 881 yds, 7 yds/play with 11 TD's to only 3 Turnovers.

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He had 10 plays in game 5 of 2011 after Orton was benched for going 1-4, then he started for 13 games.

P - 126 of 271, 46.5% for 1,729 yds, 13.7 yds/comp, 12 TD's, 6 Ints. (Top 2 WR already traded away)

R - 122 for 660 yds, 5.4 ypc with 6 TD's to 6 LPF's

Total Offense 393 plays for 2,389 yds, 6.1 yds/play, 18 TD's to 12 T-O's.

2011 Playoffs:

P - 19 of 47, 40.4% for 452 yds, 19.8 yds/comp, 2 TD's to 0 Ints.

R - 15 for 63 yds, 4.2 ypc, 1 TD to 1 LPF.

Playoff Total 62 plays for 515 yds, 8.3 yds/play, 3 TD's to 1 Turnover.

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Career (including the 2 Playoff games)

P - 186 of 400, 46.5% for 2,898 yds, 15.4 yds/comp, 19 TD's, 9 Ints, for a 2.11 to 1 TD/Int Ratio

* Only throwing 9 Ints on his first 400 NFL Pass Attempts

R - 180 for 950 yds, 5.3 ypc, 13 TD's, 7 LPF's

That's better than John Elway and Mike (A-Train) Alstott combined for in their NFL Rookie seasons.

NFL Total Offense - 580 Plays for 3,848 yds, 6.6 Yds/Play, 32 TD's, 16 Turnovers for a 2.0 to 1 Ratio.

He has had that offensive production with just 16 total starts plus 23 additional backup plays, and 2 of the starts were in the Playoffs.

Feel free to compare those production number to any other NFL QB's first 580 plays, today or at anytime in NFL history.

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There was never a new play book installed. Tebow is the one who brought about a dozen Read/Option plays to OC McCoy.

McCoy then took them to defense minded HBC Fox who agreed to try them, at 1-4 they had nothing to lose (but their already slipping jobs).

Those plays were added to the existing play book and Tim made do with what he had to work with, personal and offense.

I think that he did an EXCELLENT JOB and EXCEEDED ALL EXPECTATIONS while breaking both team and NFL records.

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... and then the Broncos finished the season 1-4 with Tebow at the helm - including blowout losses to his new division rivals, the Pats and Bills. A fact that might be missed by some fact cherry-pickers.

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In 4 of Namath's 8 seasons he failed to even manage a 50% completion and 52.9% was his single season high point, along with throwing

40 MORE Ints than TDs. Now apply your own idiotic logic to those facts.

And who cares about the completion % bright boy, after all it's just another of those totally useless, meaningless stats.

However, Tim's NFL record is 9-7 with a 2.11 TD/Int Ratio btw, even though that's just another useless stat..... (twits abound)

Some of your debate like little girls, and that's an insult to the little girls of the world..... :wild:

Joe Namath played in the 1970s. This is the 21st century.

FTR, Tebot, I'm NOT a "little girl" any more. I'm old enough to be your mom ... and maybe your grandma if you're the 12-year-old you seem to post like.

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... and then the Broncos finished the season 1-4 with Tebow at the helm - including blowout losses to his new division rivals, the Pats and Bills. A fact that might be missed by some fact cherry-pickers.

Don't you know that that's irrelevant in light of Timmy's HS and college achievements?

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Don't you know that that's irrelevant in light of Timmy's HS and college achievements?

I've already demonstrated that Timmy Chang is better than Tim Tebow and Peyton Manning, to which I've gotten no response. Without the stats to disprove it, I guess it must be true.

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There was never a new play book installed. Tebow is the one who brought about a dozen Read/Option plays to OC McCoy.

McCoy then took them to defense minded HBC Fox who agreed to try them, at 1-4 they had nothing to lose (but their already slipping jobs).

Those plays were added to the existing play book and Tim made do with what he had to work with, personal and offense.

I think that he did an EXCELLENT JOB and EXCEEDED ALL EXPECTATIONS while breaking both team and NFL records.

After reading this, its apparent you've never watched a single snap that Tebow has taken in the NFL.

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I really love that this guy is so off his rocker that he drives you of all people to the point where you can't help but trash Tebow in response.

LOL

I thought the same thing. JiF attacking Tebow? C'mon

This really would be funny. If only Jet's T would post something readable.

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I really love that this guy is so off his rocker that he drives you of all people to the point where you can't help but trash Tebow in response.

Sometimes I wonder if he see's the huge Gator in my sig. lol

LOL

I thought the same thing. JiF attacking Tebow? C'mon

This really would be funny. If only Jet's T would post something readable.

Unreadable? No way!

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LOL

I thought the same thing. JiF attacking Tebow? C'mon

This really would be funny. If only Jet's T would post something readable.

Guy's a unique blend of boring and obnoxious.

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Guy's a unique blend of boring and obnoxious.

This is just my opinion, but I really don't think Jet's T is actually a Tebow guy. IMO he is a troll who is just baiting the board.

What makes the whole thing funny is JiF, who is a Master Baiter himself, has taken the bait.

:)

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This is just my opinion, but I really don't think Jet's T is actually a Tebow guy. IMO he is a troll who is just baiting the board.

What makes the whole thing funny is JiF, who is a Master Baiter himself, has taken the bait.

:)

Hahaha!!! If true. Really funny. If a resident regular, hysterical. Overall, I like the guy. Every time he posts he reminds me how awesome Timmy is and it makes me smile. I love reading his college stats. Its like reminiscing on the good old days.

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