BroadwayJoe12 Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Hell yea baby. Can't post the link cause I'm on my phone/don't know how to, but just read it on the nypost.com. This is huge. We can retain both without ramifications to the cap and still use our MLE to sign someone like Nash or Kidd etc. Huge for the Knicks, absolutely best news for a Knicks fan in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 those guys are both pretty good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! FU, DAVID STERN!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted June 22, 2012 Author Share Posted June 22, 2012 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/23/sports/basketball/jeremy-lin-granted-early-bird-rights.html Pretty big day. What say you guys, blow the MLE all on Nash if he'd take it or spread it out to fill out the roster?? Usually I'd say the later, but Nash seems like the one player who could make this hodge-podge work cohesively. Also, lol at the idea of Nash coming the year after D'An leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 This is so awesome. So, so, so ****ing awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/23/sports/basketball/jeremy-lin-granted-early-bird-rights.html Pretty big day. What say you guys, blow the MLE all on Nash if he'd take it or spread it out to fill out the roster?? Usually I'd say the later, but Nash seems like the one player who could make this hodge-podge work cohesively. Also, lol at the idea of Nash coming the year after D'An leaves. No question you go all in on Nash. Lin learns under him and it keeps us competitive for the last couple years that we're stuck with Amare's contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 No question you go all in on Nash. Lin learns under him and it keeps us competitive for the last couple years that we're stuck with Amare's contract. I think that's the way to go as well. Huge ruling for the Knicks (the right one IMO), and it's always great when Stern has sh*t on his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I think that's the way to go as well. Huge ruling for the Knicks (the right one IMO), and it's always great when Stern has sh*t on his face. It's really just a matter of weathering out Amare's deal at this point. This provides some maneuverability in that regard. Melo's still a young dude and we're going to have him for a while, I think we'll be competitive for the next two seasons and eventually compete for a championship during the 2nd half of his tenure as a Knick. Right now we're too limited financially and more importantly they're just simply not beating Lebron right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Championship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Knicks not likely on Nash's radar By Marc Berman One confidant of Steve Nash doubts the star point guard will truly give the Knicks any consideration even if they have their $5 millon mid-level exception, despite his remarks at a promotional appearance with Walt Frazier yesterday. Frazier joked at the Samsung event, “We need you to come to New York.’’ When asked later, Nash told ESPN, “The Knicks are a great franchise and I live in New York City [in the summer], so I’d definitely consider them if they were interested.” The confidant said Nash doesn’t really believe the Knicks are close enough to a title to take less money and didn’t like how former coach Mike D’Antoni, his buddy from Phoenix, was treated. Nash will get offers for more than $5 million, especially from Phoenix. The Knicks won’t even be in the game for Nash if the union loses Jeremy Lin’s Bird Rights arbitration case. If the union wins, the Knicks can sign Lin with the Bird exception, then wield the $5 million exception for a veteran point guard to join Lin. If they sign Lin for the mid-level in a union loss, the Knicks would only be able to offer Nash the lower exception of $1.9 million. It'd be funny if D'Antoni sabotaged a Nash signing. Kidd isn't a bad fallback, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Isn't Nash like 70? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombdirt Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 According to the linked Times article: "The league has 10 days to file its appeal. Once it does, league and union officials must agree to a three-member panel. A hearing would be held, and the panel would have up to 30 days to issue a decision. If Lin and Novak have their early-Bird rights, the Knicks could re-sign both players and save their midlevel exception (worth about $5 million) for another free agent. But if the Bird rights are lost, the Knicks would have to use the midlevel exception to keep Lin. They would very likely lose Novak, as well as any chance to lure a top-flight free agent, like Ray Allen or Steve Nash." So what are the chances that this situation gets messy with appeals? I want both of these guys back in Knicks uniforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Im not a fan of Novak at all.... And Lin is overrated. Novak can shoot the spot up 3, but is a complete liability in every other aspect of the game. Lin is a pretty good offensive talent, but struggles with his defense, and I think he will be exposed more next year...definitely some weak spots in his game. The Knicks need to stop worrying about splashy trades and free agents, and focus more on drafting solid role players that fit their long term needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted June 23, 2012 Author Share Posted June 23, 2012 Im not a fan of Novak at all.... And Lin is overrated. Novak can shoot the spot up 3, but is a complete liability in every other aspect of the game. Lin is a pretty good offensive talent, but struggles with his defense, and I think he will be exposed more next year...definitely some weak spots in his game. The Knicks need to stop worrying about splashy trades and free agents, and focus more on drafting solid role players that fit their long term needs. I agree that Novak has some serious deficiencies in his game, but any team in the league would kill for a player off the bench who has the best pure stroke in basketball. The dude shot over 47% from beyond the arc, that's just silly. When Novak was on the floor, it forced defenders to play on his hip, which opened up the floor for Lin, Melo et al. And Lin had a 20+ PER for the 27 games he started, the kid is as legit as almost any young PG in the league, not named Rose and Westbrook. I think you'll be quite pleased with him in a full season. The knicks have drafted well as of late, hitting Fields in the second round and Shump outside of the lottery last year. I think they're core is pretty set, they just need to use the MLE and Bi annual and some vet mins to fill out the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 I agree that Novak has some serious deficiencies in his game, but any team in the league would kill for a player off the bench who has the best pure stroke in basketball. The dude shot over 47% from beyond the arc, that's just silly. When Novak was on the floor, it forced defenders to play on his hip, which opened up the floor for Lin, Melo et al. And Lin had a 20+ PER for the 27 games he started, the kid is as legit as almost any young PG in the league, not named Rose and Westbrook. I think you'll be quite pleased with him in a full season. The knicks have drafted well as of late, hitting Fields in the second round and Shump outside of the lottery last year. I think they're core is pretty set, they just need to use the MLE and Bi annual and some vet mins to fill out the roster. Fields had a good first half of a season his rookie year...Since then, he's been serviceable at best. Shump had a great rookie year, and I really hope he recovers well from his knee injury. That looked ugly. As for Novak.... He's always been a good shooter, and there is a reason he hasn't stuck anywhere his entire career. Its because he can't rebound, defend, or dribble. He is very good given the opportunity to catch and shoot, but its not like you need to put anything more than an average defender on him to lock him down. If Lin is good enough, then please stay away from Nash and focus elsewhere (a more well rounded backup 2/3, a legit backup 5). I still think we need to bring in some guys that can play D though. Thats what it takes to get to the next level of competing for a championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 ...And FWIW, I think JR Smith is at least 5x more valuable to this team than Novak is. He needs to be reigned in a little, but Id prefer a player of his caliber and ceiling over that of Novak's every day all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 It'd be funny if D'Antoni sabotaged a Nash signing. Kidd isn't a bad fallback, though. MAYBE IT'D BE FUNNY IF D'ANTONI SABOTAGED YOUR FACE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Im not a fan of Novak at all.... And Lin is overrated. Novak can shoot the spot up 3, but is a complete liability in every other aspect of the game. Lin is a pretty good offensive talent, but struggles with his defense, and I think he will be exposed more next year...definitely some weak spots in his game. The Knicks need to stop worrying about splashy trades and free agents, and focus more on drafting solid role players that fit their long term needs. Splashy trades & FA? What does that have to do with Lin and Novak? They are solid roleplayers and are an asset to the team. Plus your point abput drafting solid roleplayers is nice, but it wont happen till next year at the earliest because they dont have a first this year. Thus, retaoning Novak and Lin is key. Novak is a specialist. He works best with a PG that can break down D, something lost with Lin injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 ...And FWIW, I think JR Smith is at least 5x more valuable to this team than Novak is. He needs to be reigned in a little, but Id prefer a player of his caliber and ceiling over that of Novak's every day all day. I agree, but its not an either or situation. In fact, this arbitrator ruling increases the chance of Knicks retaining Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Splashy trades & FA? What does that have to do with Lin and Novak? They are solid roleplayers and are an asset to the team. Plus your point abput drafting solid roleplayers is nice, but it wont happen till next year at the earliest because they dont have a first this year. Thus, retaoning Novak and Lin is key. Novak is a specialist. He works best with a PG that can break down D, something lost with Lin injury. I think you just answered your own question. What happened to that draft pick? I don't think its worth what we give up on defense and on the boards to get Nocak's specialty on the floor for more than a few minutes at a time and for offense/defense purposes at the end of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 I agree, but its not an either or situation. In fact, this arbitrator ruling increases the chance of Knicks retaining Smith This is where the sleaziness of Dolan comes in handy, because you just know there's a suitcase full of money waiting to be offered for picking up his option so the Knicks can still have their full MLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 I think you just answered your own question. What happened to that draft pick? The last GM traded it away. Can't exactly go bitching about the new guy for that one, can we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Question for Hector BTW: What effect does the appeals panel not having to make a decision before free agency starts have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 MAYBE IT'D BE FUNNY IF D'ANTONI SABOTAGED YOUR FACE. Woke up with an extreme headache, read this, lol'ed, which exacerbated the headache. Well played, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Question for Hector BTW: What effect does the appeals panel not having to make a decision before free agency starts have? It puts Lin, Novak, Billups, and Hickson's status in limbo and handcuffs the Knicks until the appeal is heard. Unfortunately, the CBA dictates that the arbitrator's decision doesn't take effect the until the appeals process has been completed. Let's hope that it moves swiftly and that any of the guys the Knicks are targeting with the MLE (if the decision is upheld) are patient and don't rush to sign elsewhere. Unfortunately, the league has 10 days to file the appeal, which means they will of course wait it out as long as possible just to make this offseason miserable for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The last GM traded it away. Can't exactly go bitching about the new guy for that one, can we? This. We cant criticize Grunwald for not building through the draft now when everyone's favorite GM handcuffed him in trading away picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Hector, good stuff. I read on ESPNNY and interview with NBAPA counsel who made a compelling point for why they won. From 1995 to 2005, waived players kept Bird rights. That was the standard custom. That custom continued through last CBA. The new CBA contained slightly different language on Bird Rights but didnt explicitly say that waived players didnt retain them. Further, he confirmed that the waived player and Bird rights issue wasnt negotiated this time around. Thus, in legalize, when 2 contracting parties have a longstanding course of custom, unless the two sides explicitly agree to change that custom, the custom remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 UPDATE: NBA & NBAPA have settled the case. Lin & Novak have their early Bird rights. NBAPA agreed to limit the scope of the waiver ruling going forward in exchange for NBA dropping appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 UPDATE: NBA & NBAPA have settled the case. Lin & Novak have their early Bird rights. NBAPA agreed to limit the scope of the waiver ruling going forward in exchange for NBA dropping appeal. THAT IS HOW YOU DEBATE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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