bman Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 B/C there's a chance the jets will open up 2006 with Kerry Collins as QB and C Mart as RB.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 B/C there's a chance the jets will open up 2006 with Kerry Collins as QB and C Mart as RB.. in my mind, herm/tb are not the worst option available. i think they could retool this offseason and put up 6-8 wins next year w/a last place schedule. but that is exactly the main reason they need to go, it isn't their incompetence as much as the jets need to rebuild and i don't think woody will stomach another debacle of epic proportions with this regime. a new coach/gm combo will have the luxury of time to rebuild the franchise from ground up, a luxury herm/tb do not have as they will have to 'win now' or get the axe. i can take another losing season as long as it is in the name of progress. take the cap-hit in 1 year and rebuild for '07. let a new HC put his own system in place so there are no continuity issues when the talent actually is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 in my mind, herm/tb are not the worst option available. i think they could retool this offseason and put up 6-8 wins next year w/a last place schedule. but that is exactly the main reason they need to go, it isn't their incompetence as much as the jets need to rebuild and i don't think woody will stomach another debacle of epic proportions with this regime. a new coach/gm combo will have the luxury of time to rebuild the franchise from ground up, a luxury herm/tb do not have as they will have to 'win now' or get the axe. i can take another losing season as long as it is in the name of progress. take the cap-hit in 1 year and rebuild for '07. let a new HC put his own system in place so there are no continuity issues when the talent actually is there. Correct.The window is closed. Edwards and Bradway are still too beholden to this group to make the cuts and take the cap hits. They view this season as a bump in their road. But they are stuck in the rut of feeding this Parcells nucleus and it's now a dead end. And as to this "Bush/Leinart would be too expensive"-it really would be too expensive not to take one of those franchise cornerstones. We're gonna forego all time talent to pay martin, MAwae, Pennington? If this is waht they're thinking at Hofstra, they are doing this franchise a profound disservice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 B/C there's a chance the jets will open up 2006 with Kerry Collins as QB and C Mart as RB.. So you want to fire them because there is a rumor about another QB? Wow, if we fired everyone based on rumor this site would have been shut down months ago. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 So you want to fire them because there is a rumor about another QB? Wow, if we fired everyone based on rumor this site would have been shut down months ago. BZ Correction we want them Fired Because they both Suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 Correction we want them Fired Because they both Suck Oh.... ok. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 It is pretty clear where this team is headed..rebuilding...do you have faith in Terry Bradway to draft the players needed to speed up the process? Do you think Bradway has fortitude to cut veteran "leader like" players? Can Herm forego his friendships and bench veteran players? Will Herm ever improve his game management? Will Herm ever get to the point where he will discipline his players and actually make them hit the gym? Answer these questions and there is your answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bman Posted December 8, 2005 Author Share Posted December 8, 2005 The defense went from Putrid To very very good within 1 year... There's no reason you cant do it with the offense and make it a playoff caliber team... The Plan: SIGN Sam Adams,Brad Johnson To Start, and the best available Guard... Draft Bush rd 1, Cutler Rd 2, OT rd 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 Even if Herm and Terry decide to retool this is no 6-8 win team. Even with a last place schedule this team with struggle next year. They are just lacking in too many key areas. Add to the fact that Herm/Terry have never developed anyone on their own and you have disaster season #2 and #3 following. When a new regime finally comes in and guts the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 We're gonna get this thing turned around. Herm and Terry are on the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 You guys continue to miss the big picture. The real problem with the Jets right now is not Bradway or Hermy. The real problem falls on the shoulders of Woody Johnson. This clown was more concerned with getting a West Side Stadium rather then building a winning football team. Does Woody even have a clue about the football operations of the team? I highly doubt it. Woody should have given Bradway and Hermy an ultimatum 3 years ago. "I'll give you everything in my power but my bare minimum expectation is the Jets at least play in an AFC Championship game. If that doesn't happen for whatever reasons, I will need to make changes." Right now, Bradway and Hermy have no accountability whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Add to the fact that Herm/Terry have never developed anyone on their own Amazing how that always gets overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 You guys continue to miss the big picture. The real problem with the Jets right now is not Bradway or Hermy. The real problem falls on the shoulders of Woody Johnson. This clown was more concerned with getting a West Side Stadium rather then building a winning football team. Does Woody even have a clue about the football operations of the team? I highly doubt it. Woody should have given Bradway and Hermy an ultimatum 3 years ago. "I'll give you everything in my power but my bare minimum expectation is the Jets at least play in an AFC Championship game. If that doesn't happen for whatever reasons, I will need to make changes." Right now, Bradway and Hermy have no accountability whatsoever. Yup. Even after Herm and Terry are gone (the earliest that's gonna happen is maybe after the 2008 season) Woody is still here. It's a lost cause. That's why I'm bailing. As for "accountability" the defense is giving up 400+ yards of offense per game. That is a disgrace. We're talking guys like: Ty Law John Abraham Shawn Ellis Rerun Robertson Any shame? Heck no. It's all good. Herm says "the guys are trying" and his media arm apes it. Woody the dumb*ss continues to sign the checks. Who's getting screwed? The fans. But from reading these MB's, I ascertain quite a few of them like getting dry humped in the *ss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Rerun Robertson Post of the Week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Yup. Even after Herm and Terry are gone (the earliest that's gonna happen is maybe after the 2008 season) Woody is still here. It's a lost cause. That's why I'm bailing. As for "accountability" the defense is giving up 400+ yards of offense per game. That is a disgrace. We're talking guys like: Ty Law John Abraham Shawn Ellis Rerun Robertson Any shame? Heck no. It's all good. Herm says "the guys are trying" and his media arm apes it. Woody the dumb*ss continues to sign the checks. Who's getting screwed? The fans. But from reading these MB's, I ascertain quite a few of them like getting dry humped in the *ss. Again-the defense is missing one guy-Barton. If Johnson doesn't change the people in the top jobs, we'll know that he's more interested in making money as a go along, get along member of the NFL owners' club than a man who wants to win a championship. Thing that always worried me was Parcells(again, by no means a saint, but still a solid football guy) wanted no part of sticking around with Johnson, but was willing, less than 2 years later, to go work for a huge braying a$$ like Jerry Jones, and do it in a market that was half a continent away from his home base. SOme of the more left-leaning people on this board might not like this, but inherited wealth is always less impressive than the original.Witness the Kennedy family or Prince Charles. Suspect he tries too much to fit in-yes, Commissioner Taglibue, I'd love to hire your minority candidate school guy over people like Lewis and Fox who've really earned the shot. And the whole West Side thing was doomed from the start. They couldn't build Westway there. They couldn't build a baseball stadium there. What made anyone think that the vipers of NYC politics were going to lie down and allow that? If we're looking at Bradway wheeling and dealing for another coupla guys Edwards won't play and Martin and Pennington as the backfield guys in 2006, I'm doing the Pontius Pilate on this team,and reserving the right to come back only when they get real football guys in there. Bringing back GM Frick and HC Frack would be a wasted year. If Johnson cannot see that, he might have gotten lucky in some ways in birth, but not much in the way of intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 If Johnson doesn't change the people in the top jobs, we'll know that he's more interested in making money as a go along, get along member of the NFL owners' club than a man who wants to win a championship. Bingo. It amazes me that more Jet fans can't see where the real problem is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Post of the Week. I agree, no vote needed - this is definitly the post of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Guys like Synder, Al Davis, Lamar Hunt, Jones, the Mara clan,the Tisches, Kraft-they've worked hard to build businesses, some pretty colorfully. Now, in the press they might very well come off like major league d!cks. But why should Kraft or Snyder have to kowtow to a bunch of journalism majors(and I say that admitting that certain reporters like Zimmerman, Lange and Cimini do a very good job and know the game)? Why does any writer presume any owner, having watched his other businesses carefully, turns into an idiot when he buys football team(excepting anyone named "Bidwell")? Johnson had it all handed to him. He may very well be a nice man. I really don't know what we can expect, because he's never built anything.And it should be a concern. Hess was a great man, but never really took much of an interest in the Jets until the end, which was a shame.And that was mostly because he was building his business. All Johnson does is manage his own money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Bingo. It amazes me that more Jet fans can't see where the real problem is. I agree and I have said the same things before. As long as Woody sells out Giant Stadium, his shampoo and the Jets go 9-7 he is happy. I have always thought that Parcells saw this coming and rode out his contract and Woody was too cheap to put up the dough on quality coaches and GM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 "I'll give you everything in my power but my bare minimum expectation is the Jets at least play in an AFC Championship game. If that doesn't happen for whatever reasons, I will need to make changes." So if Brien makes either kick the franchise is fine? Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 So if Brien makes either kick the franchise is fine? Gotcha. Nice try. How about this: 1). The Jets get completely embarrassed in their final two games last year (one at home against a key divisional rival) but somehow back into the playoffs because the Bills couldn't beat the Steelers 3rd stringers. 2). A highly drafted rookie kicker (how can NFL teams be so friggn' stupid) misses a chip-shot game winning FG in San Diego. 3). PennyBoy and the offense put up a whopping 3 points in a game the Steelers handed to the Jets on a silver platter. 4). Hermy makes a crucial coaching decision and has PennyBoy take a knee and lose 3 yards for a game-winning FG attempt. Yep, I'm sure Woody had a woody over all of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bman Posted December 9, 2005 Author Share Posted December 9, 2005 Edwards is a HORRIBLE offensive coach. He has COST us so many games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Nice try. How about this: 1). The Jets get completely embarrassed in their final two games last year (one at home against a key divisional rival) but somehow back into the playoffs because the Bills couldn't beat the Steelers 3rd stringers. 2). A highly drafted rookie kicker (how can NFL teams be so friggn' stupid) misses a chip-shot game winning FG in San Diego. 3). PennyBoy and the offense put up a whopping 3 points in a game the Steelers handed to the Jets on a silver platter. 4). Hermy makes a crucial coaching decision and has PennyBoy take a knee and lose 3 yards for a game-winning FG attempt. Yep, I'm sure Woody had a woody over all of that. Which is exactly why I quoted your post. You should Woody should lay down the law and declare if they don't make it to the AFC Championship game changes are needed. Uh they came as close to that goal as possible and changes are needed anyway. Terry must go. It is that simple. Time to give Herm the keys and let him take this franchise for a spin around the block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Terry must go. It is that simple. Time to give Herm the keys and let him take this franchise for a spin around the block. Wow, if you didn't own this website, I would say you were about to be chased out of town by the angry mob. Balls. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Herm is neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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