Jet/BosoxFan Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Please...please...please!!! Give Manny to Baltimore and take a disgruntled Miguel Tejada off their hands! He wants out of Baltimore after 2 years of not contending. Through no fault of his own of course! To the Stealth Ninjas in the Front Office: MAKE THIS HAPPEN ALREADY! I promise I will never ask another thing from you people for the next 10 years. I speak on behalf of Red Sox Nation. We got rid of Edgar (still owe $11 mil on that, but hey...thats what happens when you buy high and sell low) Still, B-more can replace all of Miggy's offense and then some AND save some money! We get the hands down BEST PLAYER in the game bar none, yes that includes you Pooh-holes! We get the all important...cough-cough-overrated-cough..."protection in the lineup for Big Paps. Manny gets to leave town for a baseball oblivious, media-free setting. its a win-win-win all the way around. Oh, and "Miggy's better" chants will be uprorious at Fenway and Yankee fans will have no choice but to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Lmao...Keep beggin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet/BosoxFan Posted December 9, 2005 Author Share Posted December 9, 2005 Lmao...Keep beggin. we'll see how hard youre laughing when we are talking about the "Red Sox Dynasty Years of the New Millenium" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 we'll see how hard youre laughing when we are talking about the "Red Sox Dynasty Years of the New Millenium" Redsox Dynasty?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 The Beckett trade emptied the farm system. Want Tejada? Start with Hansen, Palpabon and keep adding stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 The Beckett trade emptied the farm system. Want Tejada? Start with Hansen, Palpabon and keep adding stuff. Emptied the farm system? Are you high? Do have any idea just how deep any non-yankee systems are? Sure it took some prospects, but it hardly killed off the farm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet/BosoxFan Posted December 9, 2005 Author Share Posted December 9, 2005 The Beckett trade emptied the farm system. Want Tejada? Start with Hansen, Palpabon and keep adding stuff. You cant have Hansen or Papelbon for Tejada with $50+ million left on his contract, plus Manny, plus eating some of Manny's money! I will give Baltimore Manny Ramirez, the best RH hitter in the game mind you who is good for 40+ and 120+ every year AND eat some of his contract up to $20 million over 3 years. Thats all you get. Now give me Miggy. And bugg, youre way off on the "emptied the farm" quote and you ought to take it back ASAP. H. Ramirez was totally expendable because of Dustin Pedroia, who along with outfield stud Brandon Moss is every bit as highly touted. J. Papelbon, C. Hansen and Manny Delcarmen for that matter are brought-ups that are expected to produce as early as THIS year! C. Weatherby and P. Dumatrait are also prospects that the Stealth Ninja front office claims to "want to hold on to." But above all else...Jon Lester is the cant miss, blue chip prospect of the farm system! The only thing empty is the substance from your posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 trade manny for the 3rd best shortstop in the AL East? thats a ripoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 If the Bosox do this deal, they lose on the offensive side of the deal. Miggy is real good, but he's no 40 and 120. Not at all. He will add some better "D" then Edger did last year though. But anyone who can put on a glove would add better "D" then Edgar. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 If the Birds are going to do it with a team in the dvision, they aren't paying or taking back any salary.The idea that they'd take back Ramirez is insane. Your posts as of of late have been pretty coherent-even intelligent, JBF. This is a departure. The Orioles will want young and cheap blue chip prospects to trade him to a team that will play them 19 times a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 If the Bosox do this deal, they lose on the offensive side of the deal. Miggy is real good, but he's no 40 and 120. Not at all. He will add some better "D" then Edger did last year though. But anyone who can put on a glove would add better "D" then Edgar. :wink: You are aware Tejada has put up 131 and 150 RBI seasons? No one is Manny but when you get the best offensive SS in BB you aren't considered a loser in the deal especially if you have wanted Manny moved for 2 years now. My problem would be that they are both jump ship guys when things aren't going great which is why if the Mets don't get Manny we won't go crazy over the loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 You are aware Tejada has put up 131 and 150 RBI seasons? No one is Manny but when you get the best offensive SS in BB you aren't considered a loser in the deal especially if you have wanted Manny moved for 2 years now. My problem would be that they are both jump ship guys when things aren't going great which is why if the Mets don't get Manny we won't go crazy over the loss. Oh, I know that. But IMO, Tejeda is not "preceived" as the threat like Manny is, and I don't think he is the "write-it-down" type for a guaranteed 40+ and 120+, like Manny is. Again, just my opinion. This trade would be as fair a return for the Bosox as they can expect for Manny. They will not get equal value, but this is as close as they probably will get. Yet, in spite of the "closeness" of the abilities of the players, I suspect that the Birds will want some kids along with Manny. They are taking on a less team-oriented" player, and in the process, losing one of their leaders, as the papers have reported the past 2 seasons. This begs teh question, how much in terms of top-rated minor league talent will it take for the Birds to be satisfied? And how highly rated must that talent be? Stay tuned. This could be the blockbuster of teh decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Baltimore plays in a band-box so all offensive #'s there are inflated: Tejada pre-steroid testing: .311 34 HR 150 RBI Tejada w/steroid testing: .304 26 HR 98 RBI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 True on bandbox. Tejada hit 34 HR's in Oakland as well. I dont consider a 8HR drop with no protection in the batting order last year as a indication of steroids. RBI's as you know is a product of one's line-up and has nothing to do with steroids. Could he have been a user? Sure but that can be said for 3/4 of MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet/BosoxFan Posted December 10, 2005 Author Share Posted December 10, 2005 You guys can TRY to hijack my thread all you want with boring talk of prospects...youre not killing my buzz: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 One crazy thing-Ramirez in Camden would hit 65 HRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 The thing I like most about Tejada is how he finishes behind Jeter in the Gold Glove voting each year. Great offensive player though. I wouldn't worry about his lack of instincts for the game though. I mean I am sure that Giambi squared that away in the playoffs in between innings a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet/BosoxFan Posted December 10, 2005 Author Share Posted December 10, 2005 Its funny how karma works...because that (Juicin' Jason shouting down Miggy for not sliding) was the single most out-of-line incident I have ever seen in baseball, if not all of sports. Nothing short of puke-inducing! Considering how Miggy's star has risen and Giambi's* has fallen...I'd say justice has been served. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaborJet Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Its funny how karma works...because that (Juicin' Jason shouting down Miggy for not sliding) was the single most out-of-line incident I have ever seen in baseball, if not all of sports. Nothing short of puke-inducing! Considering how Miggy's star has risen and Giambi's* has fallen...I'd say justice has been served. Giambi's has fallen? You mean the comeback player of the year? Here JBF, here is some gasoline for your fire: Ramirez-for-Tejada deal unlikely, but ... O's have started to listen to offers for shortstop, including from Red Sox In private conversations on Monday between the Orioles and Miguel Tejada's representatives, the shortstop's trade demand first surfaced and Baltimore, according to one team source, has begun listening to offers for their superstar. The Boston Red Sox, likely offering Manny Ramirez, could be a suitor, and the idea of a Tejada for Ramirez deal has not been dismissed by Baltimore. Several teams have already expressed interest but Boston may be the best fit. "It is a logical suggestion," one team official said of the Tejada-for-Ramirez possibility. "It does seem unlikely. But who knows?" Baltimore owner Peter Angelos, who doesn't necessarily want to trade Tejada, said he would be reluctant to take on the approximately $60 million Ramirez is owed for the next three seasons, but never said he would reject a deal for the Boston outfielder. If the Ramirez for Tejada -- who is owed approximately $60 million for the next four years -- rumors are to gain momentum, it's likely that the Red Sox would have to offer to pay for some of the difference in annual salary. "I'd find it difficult to justify a $20 million salary per year for anybody," Angelos said. "The economics of the game don't support that type of salary for any player." The Red Sox have already made overtures, and Angelos said he wouldn't have a problem trading Tejada to an American League East team if that's what the front office desired. "It all depends on what you get back in return," he said. But it's unknown whether Ramirez, who has a full no-trade clause in his contract, would accept a trade to Baltimore. Regardless, Boston seems eager to try to acquire Tejada, who is admired by Red Sox Manager Terry Francona, a former bench coach in Oakland where Tejada spent seven seasons. Tejada also is close friends with Boston designated hitter David Ortiz, and both have the same representation. "Boston is hopping on him," one baseball official said. The landscape involving Tejada significantly changed on Thursday night when an Associated Press report quoted the shortstop as saying he wanted to be traded. Some people, including some of his teammates, wondered if the quotes -- which seemed uncharacteristic of Tejada -- had been taken out of context. But conversations between Baltimore and Tejada's representatives proved Tejada wants to be traded and a team official said the Orioles were told, "He wasn't going to change his mind." Tejada's representatives did not return several phone calls. It appears that Tejada at the least is trying to force the Orioles to make several roster changes this offseason, a tactic that has displeased the Baltimore front office. Through third baseman Melvin Mora, Tejada said he was showing his frustration in part because of his affection for Baltimore fans. "He just wants to tell everyone it has nothing to do with the city or the fans," said Mora, who spoke to Tejada on Monday afternoon. "He saw the Toronto Blue Jays getting big names and saw all the teams spending money and we don't do anything. He feels he wants to give more to Baltimore fans. He doesn't want to be traded. He loves Baltimore and the fans. If the front office doesn't convince him they want to win, then he wants a trade." Angelos disputed Tejada's assessment that the team hasn't made enough moves to win, saying he couldn't justify throwing millions at closer B.J. Ryan and starting pitcher A.J. Burnett, who both signed with Toronto. "[Tejada] has only been here two years, so I don't know what he's talking about," Angelos said. "We're not spending $50 million on a closer who's been a closer for only one year and $55 million for a guy who hasn't won more than 12 games in a year. If that's what his criticism is based on, it just shows he wouldn't be a great general manager." There have been communication problems with the Orioles and Tejada since the end of the season. As of Monday evening Orioles Executive Vice President Mike Flanagan, who declined to comment on Tejada's status on the team, had not spoken with the shortstop but only with his representatives. Orioles spokesman Bill Stetka said the team had been trying to get the shortstop on the phone but had difficulties because he was in the Dominican Republic. But only a few minutes after Stetka had made the point, Mora, who is on vacation in Puerto Rico, called a reporter to say he had just talked to Tejada. In late November, Orioles Vice President Jim Duquette, while on a trip to the Dominican Republic, wanted to see Tejada but was never able to set up a meeting. Within the last week the Orioles, according to a team source, finally spoke with Tejada, who voiced his desire for the team to acquire free agents Olmedo Saenz and Erubiel Durazo, who are both represented by Tejada's agents. The Orioles did not have much interest in either player. The timing of the trade request seems peculiar considering the Orioles are on the verge of announcing the signing of Ramon Hernandez, who was Tejada's teammate with Oakland for five seasons. Tejada is the godfather of one of the catcher's children. Mora said Tejada was aware of the signing of Hernandez, but said, "I think that's not good enough for him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Tejada would be an even sh*ttier defensive shortstop then Renteria was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Its funny how karma works...because that (Juicin' Jason shouting down Miggy for not sliding) was the single most out-of-line incident I have ever seen in baseball, if not all of sports. Nothing short of puke-inducing! Considering how Miggy's star has risen and Giambi's* has fallen...I'd say justice has been served. Oh I agree 100% about him being out of line. Giambi handled that wrong. But now that Jason is learning from Derek something like that will never happen again. That being said Jason will put up better offensive numbers next season (compared to Miguel). Now Miguel is a SS and he can at least put on a glove so he is a better player. Just saying Jason is back, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Just saying Jason is back, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet/BosoxFan Posted December 10, 2005 Author Share Posted December 10, 2005 When the BoSox moved Edgar and Miggy demanded a trade out of B-more on the same day...of course the Manny for Miggy talk was bound to happen. Every Sox fan I know is busting a nut over this rumor, unlikely as it may be... Here is some food for thought: 1. I like Tejada more than I like Manny. 2. Miguel Tejada is better at playing the game of baseball than Ramirez. But Manny is a 10-5 guy, so he can tell Boston "I aint going to no Baltimore, Mang" simply to screw over the Red Sox who would be coming out ahead in the trade. Furthermore, what I really hope happens is that Boston refuses to trade Manny simply because he wants out and makes his life miserable (ie: mandatory 3 hour media sessions before and after each game) You get the idea...he hates to do interviews...find a way to get the most mics in his face as much as humanly possible for the next 3 years. Just once, I would like to see a team REALLY stick it to a prima donna athlete who signs a contract and then wants to double-cross their team! Frankly, I would like to see Baltimore do the same to Tejada! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I didn't think he could do it. Most people didn't. You were right about him. And you were the only one that said give this guy time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Maybe, just maybe, Miggy could go to the Yanks. Jeter to second, Cano to CF. Jeter would then be the 3rd best shortstop on his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Maybe, just maybe, Miggy could go to the Yanks. Jeter to second, Cano to CF. Jeter would then be the 3rd best shortstop on his team. Tejada is a horrible defensive shortstop. Dont make me embarass you Jeter haters again. Jeter is the best SS in MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Tejada is a horrible defensive shortstop. Dont make me embarass you Jeter haters again. Jeter is the best SS in MLB. He's not even the best shortstop on his team. Hello? ARod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 He's not even the best shortstop on his team. Hello? ARod? Big whoop. Put Tejada on the yankees or any other SS and you'd still say their not even the best SS on their own team. Weak arguement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Big whoop. Put Tejada on the yankees or any other SS and you'd still say their not even the best SS on their own team. Weak arguement. When ARod's on your team, no, you're not the best SS on your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 When ARod's on your team, no, you're not the best SS on your team. so Babe Ruth was the best pitcher on the Yankees in 1920? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 so Babe Ruth was the best pitcher on the Yankees in 1920? I'm not quite the historian you are, but wasn't Babe one hell of a pitcher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 I'm not quite the historian you are, but wasn't Babe one hell of a pitcher? from 1914-1918 he was the best left handed pitcher baseball had ever seen, then in 1919 he was part time pitcher part time outfielder, then in 1920 (with NY) he only pitched one game. but considering A-rod only played one game at SS this year (when Jeter left early), that qualifies A-rod to be the best SS on the Yankees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 True on bandbox. Tejada hit 34 HR's in Oakland as well. I dont consider a 8HR drop with no protection in the batting order last year as a indication of steroids. RBI's as you know is a product of one's line-up and has nothing to do with steroids. Could he have been a user? Sure but that can be said for 3/4 of MLB. Only 3/4??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 from 1914-1918 he was the best left handed pitcher baseball had ever seen, then in 1919 he was part time pitcher part time outfielder, then in 1920 (with NY) he only pitched one game. but considering A-rod only played one game at SS this year (when Jeter left early), that qualifies A-rod to be the best SS on the Yankees? Well... ARod was considered the best SS in the game, before he moved to 3rd, so Jeter didn't throw a hissy fit, correct? So... wouldn't he still be the best SS in the game? And, if Babe did pitch, he would have been the best pitcher on those Yankee teams, correct? Just like if ARod were allowed to play shortstop, he'd be the best SS in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 Check out the Babe's pitching stats. He was the best lefty in the game, and according to one Tris Speaker (of Bosox fame, among others) he should have never left pitching. I believe that was a 1920 quote. Of course the Babe was also the best hitter in the game, so the Yankees figured he would help more every day, instead of every 5th day. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.