Green and White Scrimmage

[T0mShane]

Hey, I'm not the one who lives such a miserable life that they need to bitch about EVERYTHING on a message board. I'm an eternal optimist, I try to find something positive in everything I see, but you're just so miserable all the time. You never have one nice thing to say about anything related to this team, it's kind of sad. I honestly feel sorry for you to have to watch something that makes you feel so bad.

Cheer up, buttercup, things will get better.

I say positive things all the time, my man. You're just focused on the negative. YOU CHEER UP. YOU.

[T0mShane]

I see variations on this quote everywhere, that's not how life works in the NFL. if your starters get hurt your depth is not going to be starter quality, or even close to it. That's because of the salary cap. There very few teams in the league that could replace Nick Mangold with a backup and feel no pain.

I'm not saying we have to stash an All-Pro behind Mangold, buy how about a serviceable vet? Why go from Nick Mangold to, say, Colin Baxter?

[T0mShane]

Nice Tom. Sounds like Tim will be under center sooner than we think. I'm not as concerned about the line getting dominated all night, as I am that Mark still can't handle pressure and Tim stepped up under it. This is Tim's year

I'm preferring to believe that having Mangold and Moore back makes the offense 76% better moving forward.

[KSJets]

I say positive things all the time, my man. You're just focused on the negative. YOU CHEER UP. YOU.

Are you still drunk from last night?

[LionelRichie]

I'm not saying we have to stash an All-Pro behind Mangold, buy how about a serviceable vet? Why go from Nick Mangold to, say, Colin Baxter?

Like the guy whose leg ducasse broke last year (forgot his name). How did Tanny let him walk with nobody there to replace him?

[bitonti]

I'm not saying we have to stash an All-Pro behind Mangold, buy how about a serviceable vet? Why go from Nick Mangold to, say, Colin Baxter?

Rob Turner got hurt in preseason. He was serviceable. most teams don't have a 3rd center.

[slats]

Moore's been banged up for two years and Mangold's absence last year almost capsized the entire season. How does this team go into 2012 without even trying to upgrade the depth on the OL? It's mind-numbingly stupid.

You know you know that you know that this is the cost of the way Tannenbaum does business. Its not that he didn't try to upgrade the OL depth this year, it's that he traded away half his picks for most of his career. Those third, fourth, and fifth rounders that should be deepening the OL and LB groups. This is the cost of spending three picks to acquire Shonn Greene. This is the cost of filling more needs thru free agency than thru the draft, eventually you get to a pay the piper year and this was it. They were up against the cap, and it didn't get raised like it usually does, so they were stuck. Doesn't help that Tanny traded more picks this year.

The depth has always been thin here under Tannenbaum, and it will continue to be thin as long as he keeps doing things the same way. If the cap continues to not move, it'll get worse.

[Jet-T's]

The morning after.....

This bum will never be an NFL QB.

He should never have been drafted at all, in any round at any position.

The Jet's coaches should stop hampering Mark by wasting practice snaps on him.

When the Jets trim down to 53 for the season, he should be cut from the team keeping an extra OL instead.

This will have the extra benefit of ending the Jet's Media circus forever.

And the fans have also spoken:

Saturday Scrimmage - Sanchez/Tebow shirts ratio in the stands: 39/19

So get rid of this bum now so that the 'real' Jets can go win a SB.

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Some media quotes are included for interpretation.

To be fair to Tebow, (but why start now)[i/] not much went right with the rest of the offense while he was on the field.

~ RB Joe McKnight fumbled on what would have been a first-down run.

~ C Caleb Schlauderaff twice botched the snap.

~ C Schlauderaff had another bad snap in the shotgun formation.

Two of Tebow’s passes were deep and on target – one to Dexter Jackson and one to Jeff Cumberland –

But each was stopped by the defense.

WR Eron Riley dropped the third Tebow pass attempt. Tebow goes 0 for 3.

Both Tebow and Sanchez had to go to work without three of their first-team lineman,

> but as usual, that fact is not mentioned until they start their talk about the Sanchise performance.

* The first-team offense (Sanchez) only picked up one first down.

* The Sanchez TD pass was on an deep accurate throw for 8 yds....

Tebow was at one other major disadvantage in the scrimmage – he still couldn't be hit.

So the defense sat back in two-man coverage.

That's something that an opponent won't be able to get away with on game day.

In a normal game, playing two-man defense against Tebow would be a near impossibility. With the safeties back and everyone else on a man, Tebow could take off running for a big gain each time. On Saturday, all the defenders had to do was put a hand on Tebow to end the run.

“Tebow’s like, ‘Mike, you're playing two-man against me! (but he can't read a defense)

You know you can't play two-man against me!’” >>> Ryan added. <<<

RB Shonn Greene had 6 carries for 5 yards, .83 ypc.

Tebow scrambled 3 times for 14 yds, 4.6 ypc. (gave up 1 sack)

Sanchez gave up 3 sacks but did manage to throw one deep accurate 8 yard TD pass during his 16 attempts.

Headlines read: Sanchez Out-Performs Tebow. (typical)

Sanchize starts, Tebow plays, chips fall were they may....

[T0mShane]

You know you know that you know that this is the cost of the way Tannenbaum does business. Its not that he didn't try to upgrade the OL depth this year, it's that he traded away half his picks for most of his career. Those third, fourth, and fifth rounders that should be deepening the OL and LB groups. This is the cost of spending three picks to acquire Shonn Greene. This is the cost of filling more needs thru free agency than thru the draft, eventually you get to a pay the piper year and this was it. They were up against the cap, and it didn't get raised like it usually does, so they were stuck. Doesn't help that Tanny traded more picks this year.

The depth has always been thin here under Tannenbaum, and it will continue to be thin as long as he keeps doing things the same way. If the cap continues to not move, it'll get worse.

Agreed. Makes missing on a Vlad pick that much more glaring. I suppose it's a credit to Tannenbaum that he's staved off the attrition for as long as he has.

[T0mShane]

Rob Turner got hurt in preseason. He was serviceable. most teams don't have a 3rd center.

So you lose Rob Turner in preseason and do nothing? This is a plan?

[Matt39]

You know you know that you know that this is the cost of the way Tannenbaum does business. Its not that he didn't try to upgrade the OL depth this year, it's that he traded away half his picks for most of his career. Those third, fourth, and fifth rounders that should be deepening the OL and LB groups. This is the cost of spending three picks to acquire Shonn Greene. This is the cost of filling more needs thru free agency than thru the draft, eventually you get to a pay the piper year and this was it. They were up against the cap, and it didn't get raised like it usually does, so they were stuck. Doesn't help that Tanny traded more picks this year.

The depth has always been thin here under Tannenbaum, and it will continue to be thin as long as he keeps doing things the same way. If the cap continues to not move, it'll get worse.

problem is the depth is thin and the guys we traded up for are average. Our drafts have been horrendous.

[bitonti]

So you lose Rob Turner in preseason and do nothing? This is a plan?

serviceable vets start. they don't backup waiting for Nick Mangold and Rob Turner to get hurt.

in general the OL stuff is way overblown. if we had a QB that could deal with an average amount of NFL pressure, this wouldn't be an issue. There are 25 QBs that would trade OL's with the Jets in a second.

[SayNoToDMC]

serviceable vets start. they don't backup waiting for Nick Mangold and Rob Turner to get hurt.

in general the OL stuff is way overblown. if we had a QB that could deal with an average amount of NFL pressure, this wouldn't be an issue. There are 25 QBs that would trade OL's with the Jets in a second.

Do you not think Turner would have been worth the 1 year 700k he got given we have no alternatives?

[Matt39]

wrong thread

[Matt39]

dammit wrong thread

[sirlancemehlot]

serviceable vets start. they don't backup waiting for Nick Mangold and Rob Turner to get hurt.

in general the OL stuff is way overblown. if we had a QB that could deal with an average amount of NFL pressure, this wouldn't be an issue. There are 25 QBs that would trade OL's with the Jets in a second.

You're right, serviceable vets start. Which is why we need one. Slauson is okay, but Hunter is a nightmare. A vet at right tackle would allow Hunter to backup the rest of the line like Turner did. Slauson backs up center if Vlad ever becomes "serviceable". This would make an injury scenario survivable. As it stands we can't afford one injury. Two would be season ending. That's an unreasonable risk if you ask me, especially considering we've been dealing with this risk since preseason last year.

[Jerichoholic]

your underestimating Mr. T. Coples was drafted to play both ways and is already our second best offensive lineman.

Was he playing both ways simultaneously last night?

[JoeC36]

Was he playing both ways simultaneously last night?

I highly doubt it, but i wasnt there. I was just being an a$$hole.

[Jerichoholic]

I highly doubt it, but i wasnt there. I was just being an a$$hole.

Same here

[stoicsentry]

serviceable vets start. they don't backup waiting for Nick Mangold and Rob Turner to get hurt.

in general the OL stuff is way overblown. if we had a QB that could deal with an average amount of NFL pressure, this wouldn't be an issue. There are 25 QBs that would trade OL's with the Jets in a second.

You're right. I listened to one show last year where they were constantly saying that Mark Sanchez' agent should "sue" Mike Tannenbaum for not giving him a better O-line to protect him.. LOL. They ceretainly weren't the worst pass blocking offensive line in the league, and that's after some serious injuries.

[JoeC36]

Same here

lol i completely missed "simultaneously" haha oops

[SoFlaJets]

I'm glad that I already have the mindset of "the Jets are not going to affect my (pretty much happy person) state of mind this year-or EVER again" because this is once again looking like we will not get to where it is that we ALL want to see the Jets get to...

Nothing else matters or is good enough-it's Super Bowl or it's a bust...

Thanks Tom for your honest assessment-too bad there are some dikwads who will continue to give you sh*t no matter what you say, do, or write...you continue to be an asset here at JetNation

[T0mShane]

I'm glad that I already have the mindset of "the Jets are not going to affect my (pretty much happy person) state of mind this year-or EVER again" because this is once again looking like we will not get to where it is that we ALL want to see the Jets get to...

Nothing else matters or is good enough-it's Super Bowl or it's a bust...

Thanks Tom for your honest assessment-too bad there are some dikwads who will continue to give you sh*t no matter what you say, do, or write...you continue to be an asset here at JetNation

Thank you, Jimmy. Much like the great rapper Drake, I use the haters to fuel the inferno that burns inside my artistic blast furnace.

[JoeC36]

Thank you, Jimmy. Much like the great rapper Drake, I use the haters to fuel the inferno that burns inside my artistic blast furnace.

if you are any rapper, you're a much gayer version of Vanilla Ice

[JustInFudge]

I dont believe anything T0mShane says.

[Matt39]

there's so much wrong with this quote. First off Irvin was a full round reach if not a 2 round reach. We are talking about a 1 trick pony who was arrested 6 weeks before the draft. The Jets would not have drafted this player, it's basically like drafting a 2nd Aaron Maybin. Which is tough because the first Maybin isn't a starter. Irvin is going to be a 3rd down specialist playing 20 snaps a game. The Jets don't need this player. If we want to compare Coples to anyone it's probably Melvin Ingram (and even then I think they made the right call).

Second Coples is a stiff based on what, him not dominating training camp? Coples isn't gonna be Demarcus Ware but he could be another Shaun Ellis. Let's not forget Ellis would disappear for weeks at a time and then show up and dominate. I could see Coples being hot and cold, he was hot during minicamps he's cold right now. Give him a couple weeks he'll be hot again. Alot of potential there. Besides the fact he was the 16th pick not the 6th pick. If Coples was an elite amazing instantly awesome player he's not there at 16.

Ive watched Coples plenty at UNC. Guy was a stiff. from all the reports, writing was on the wall the Jets wanted to take Irvin there to help their pass rush. Coples isnt a pass rusher regardless of his sack totals at UNC. Watch him play, racking up sacks against Duke going unblocked doesnt prove anything. He doesnt have the instincts of a natural pass rusher to lower his body, find space and get to the QB. Please stop with the reach stuff. There is no such thing as a reach in the NFL draft anymore.

Just seemed like a rushed pick. Dline was our deepest position already. Adding Wilkerson and Ellis last year should have been where we stopped. Devito is underrated. Dixon is serviceable. The offense looks horrendous. Never understood the pick

[T0mShane]

if you are any rapper, you're a much gayer version of Vanilla Ice

I'd sign up for that right now.

[T0mShane]

Ive watched Coples plenty at UNC. Guy was a stiff. from all the reports, writing was on the wall the Jets wanted to take Irvin there to help their pass rush. Coples isnt a pass rusher regardless of his sack totals at UNC. Watch him play, racking up sacks against Duke going unblocked doesnt prove anything. He doesnt have the instincts of a natural pass rusher to lower his body, find space and get to the QB. Please stop with the reach stuff. There is no such thing as a reach in the NFL draft anymore.

Just seemed like a rushed pick. Dline was our deepest position already. Adding Wilkerson and Ellis last year should have been where we stopped. Devito is underrated. Dixon is serviceable. The offense looks horrendous. Never understood the pick

I don't mind gambling on a pass rusher so much, but what killed me was doubling down on that gamble with Hill in the second. I thought they needed a safer bet (OL) in Rd. 2 to cover themselves in the event Coples busts. Anyone projecting even competence for Hill at this point is straight up guessing.

[KSJets]

I don't mind gambling on a pass rusher so much, but what killed me was doubling down on that gamble with Hill in the second. I thought they needed a safer bet (OL) in Rd. 2 to cover themselves in the event Coples busts. Anyone projecting even competence for Hill at this point is straight up guessing.

It wouldn't have mattered who we picked, you and your fellow gloom-n-doomers would have bitched about it.

[Irish Jet]

It wouldn't have mattered who we picked, you and your fellow gloom-n-doomers would have bitched about it.

"That would be nice. I'm trying to think of another team whose season would end if they lost a WR. Can't do it."

"I'm not saying we have to stash an All-Pro behind Holmes, but how about a serviceable vet? Why go from Santonio Holmes to, say, Antonio Cromartie?"

"I don't mind gambling on a pass rusher so much, but what killed me was doubling down on that gamble with Jeff Allen in the second. I thought they needed a safer bet (WR) in Rd. 2 to cover themselves in the event Coples busts. Anyone projecting even competence for Allen at this point is straight up guessing."

[sirlancemehlot]

Thank you, Jimmy. Much like the great rapper Drake, I use the haters to fuel the inferno that burns inside my artistic blast furnace.

Ahhh Shane...such a rare and yet udervalued talent. You seriously say sh*t that I would totally say if I weren't too lazy to think it up myself in the first place. Still, I admire the fact that you push on in the face of overwhelming disdain. You will be appreciated eventually. Probably posthumously...but eventually.

[Thor99]

You will be appreciated eventually. Probably posthumously...but eventually.

Can't come soon enough.

[SenorGato]

Guys I need the game film and the data. Anyone get Sanchez's numbers?

[RutgersJetFan]

Oh well, at least Ellis is legit. Planet Theory win.

[RutgersJetFan]

Ahhh Shane...such a rare and yet udervalued talent. You seriously say sh*t that I would totally say if I weren't too lazy to think it up myself in the first place. Still, I admire the fact that you push on in the face of overwhelming disdain. You will be appreciated eventually. Probably posthumously...but eventually.

Van Gogh, Melville,Toole, Shane.