Are Schotty & Sparano weak OC's, or do the Jets just have no talent on offense?

[gangreenman]

I think it was Bill Walsh who said, basically, that you draft a QB, then you host a fire drill to surround that QB with every player, position coach, playbook, and coaching emphasis to get absolutely everything you can out of that QB, and if you don't, you've wasted that draft pick. I think, more than anything, the Jets have no concept of building a team, historically preferring to slap disparate parts together and hoping it works. The Bradway/Tannenbaum Era has been marked by this, most especially on offense. There's no coherent plan because there's no adult in the room--it's an accountant sitting in a room with a silver-spoons billionaire and a defensive coordinator pretending he's a Head Coach.

Giving Baby Schottenheimer autonomy was as stupid then as giving Sparano autonomy is now. Both of them needed to be bailed out by falling backwards into the next Tom Brady, but that will never happen. I think they're all legitimately flummoxed by the fact that Sanchez hasn't become Eli Manning, as if they're the collective victims of some cruel, cosmic hoax.

So, to answer the question, it's Woody's fault.

The bolded is kinda ironic, seeing as thats how you put together your whole argument.

In Sanchez's rookie year (2009). The Jets:

Lead the league in rushing

Lead the league in just about every defensive stat.

Were among the leaders in sacks allowed

They also traded for Braylon Edwards, to give their rookie QB a legit #1 target.

That following offseason, they realized they could do more, as Braylon wasn't great over the middle, and they didn't really have any good receivers coming out of the backfield. So...

They trade for Santonio Holmes to give Sanchez a target that can go over the middle

They Sign Ladanian Tomlinson, who is only one of the best in the history of the NFL as a pass-catching back

So, Im curious...What do you mean by your statement that the Tanny era as been marked by "slapping together disparate parts and hoping it works"? I fail to see the logic in that.

To me, the plan was plainly coherent. We traded up to draft Sanchez as our franchise QB. We will play this young QB from the beginning, as he will be walking in behind a dominant OL, with a proven RB in Thomas Jones. Because he is still young and inexperienced, we will trade for or sign whatever talented players we can find, even if it means sacrificing future draft picks, to ensure Sanchez has all the tools he needs to develop into our franchise QB. These players will be mostly older "stopgaps", because if Sanchez becomes elite and is, indeed, our franchise QB in four or five years... We don't need all stars at every position. If he is not, then we will need to start over anyway, so all these parts are pretty much expendable.

[BlackDynamite]

Gangreenman

Slow your ignorance. If the Jets want to run the ball and play defense, why would I complain about getting the best rusher in football?

If Mr. T didn't call the Jags about MJD, he didn't do his job, that's all I'm saying. he makes the jets instant deep playoff threats!

You saying the Jets are a better team this year with Tebow and a #2 pick next year instead of MJD?

BD

[SenorGato]

Why would MJD only cost a two? Why use another high draft pick and pick RB to be the position to use it for.

[T0mShane]

The bolded is kinda ironic, seeing as thats how you put together your whole argument.

In Sanchez's rookie year (2009). The Jets:

Lead the league in rushing

Lead the league in just about every defensive stat.

Were among the leaders in sacks allowed

They also traded for Braylon Edwards, to give their rookie QB a legit #1 target.

That following offseason, they realized they could do more, as Braylon wasn't great over the middle, and they didn't really have any good receivers coming out of the backfield. So...

They trade for Santonio Holmes to give Sanchez a target that can go over the middle

They Sign Ladanian Tomlinson, who is only one of the best in the history of the NFL as a pass-catching back

So, Im curious...What do you mean by your statement that the Tanny era as been marked by "slapping together disparate parts and hoping it works"? I fail to see the logic in that.

To me, the plan was plainly coherent. We traded up to draft Sanchez as our franchise QB. We will play this young QB from the beginning, as he will be walking in behind a dominant OL, with a proven RB in Thomas Jones. Because he is still young and inexperienced, we will trade for or sign whatever talented players we can find, even if it means sacrificing future draft picks, to ensure Sanchez has all the tools he needs to develop into our franchise QB. These players will be mostly older "stopgaps", because if Sanchez becomes elite and is, indeed, our franchise QB in four or five years... We don't need all stars at every position. If he is not, then we will need to start over anyway, so all these parts are pretty much expendable.

Holmes, Edwards and Tomlinson were literally exiled from their former teams. Then they get Derrick Mason, thrown out of Baltimore, then sign Plaxico out of prison, who led a mutiny against the QB. Then they replace Thomas Jones with Shonn Greene. Meanwhile, they're extending Wayne Hunter and signing rugby players because they'd run out of draft picks.

On the coaching front, they give Sanchez to Matt Cavanaugh and Brian Schottenheimer, both fresh on the heels of ruining their last high QB pick, Kellen Clemens.

None of this is to say that Sanchez (or Clemens) would have been great somewhere else. It's just to say that the Jets are to quarterback development what Jerry Sandusky is to babysitting

[Integrity28]

Holmes, Edwards and Tomlinson were literally exiled from their former teams. Then they get Derrick Mason, thrown out of Baltimore, then sign Plaxico out of prison, who led a mutiny against the QB. Then they replace Thomas Jones with Shonn Greene. Meanwhile, they're extending Wayne Hunter and signing rugby players because they'd run out of draft picks.

On the coaching front, they give Sanchez to Matt Cavanaugh and Brian Schottenheimer, both fresh on the heels of ruining their last high QB pick, Kellen Clemens.

None of this is to say that Sanchez (or Clemens) would have been great somewhere else. It's just to say that the Jets are to quarterback development what Jerry Sandusky is to babysitting

This.

[stoicsentry]

Holmes, Edwards and Tomlinson were literally exiled from their former teams.

Besides helping us win several playoff games, I can't really think of anything those guys did for us...

Let's see.. who caught a touchdown in the divisional playoffs against the Patriots?

Well there was Tomlinson first, the second one was to Edwards... and.... oh yeah, Holmes made a beautiful catch for the third.

What was the FO thinking????

[Smashmouth]

Holmes, Edwards and Tomlinson were literally exiled from their former teams. Then they get Derrick Mason, thrown out of Baltimore, then sign Plaxico out of prison, who led a mutiny against the QB. Then they replace Thomas Jones with Shonn Greene. Meanwhile, they're extending Wayne Hunter and signing rugby players because they'd run out of draft picks.

On the coaching front, they give Sanchez to Matt Cavanaugh and Brian Schottenheimer, both fresh on the heels of ruining their last high QB pick, Kellen Clemens.

None of this is to say that Sanchez (or Clemens) would have been great somewhere else. It's just to say that the Jets are to quarterback development what Jerry Sandusky is to babysitting

This.

Pretty much what Ive been saying for 3 years .

Cast Offs, Jailbirds, and Complainers for our young QB

[stoicsentry]

Pretty much what Ive been saying for 3 years .

Cast Offs, Jailbirds, and Complainers for our young QB

He had Cotchery for a few years. Keller has been reliable. Kerley was a decent addition, especially where he was drafted... and they did use a 2nd round pick this year on a WR. Of course, T0m finds a way to take issue with that, too.

I have no problem with the names they brought in here, none at all. In fact, they have done a good job at that. Half of the competent receivers in this league are castoffs, jailbirds, divas, whatever, so it shouldn't come as a surprise. My only complaint is that they haven't given him enough consistency in the corps, and I think that's important.

That said, people have no reason to b*tch on behalf of Sanchez. What did the Jets do to "surround him with talent?"

First, they gave him a top 5 defense that returned the ball to the offense constantly, year in, year out.

Next, they gave him great returns on special teams, that gave the offense the ball in good field position year in, year out.

Then, they gave him an incredible running game, which takes a lot of pressure off of a young QB.

Finally, they gave him an offensive line that had 3 or 4 pro-bowl players on it every year in Ferguson, Mangold, Moore and Woody.

That's not enough help? Any QB would probably sign up for that without even seeing who the receivers were, and let's be honest, it's not as if they were running UDFA's out there at the skill positions with guys like Cotchery, Holmes, Edwards, Keller, Tomlinson, Burress, etc,

[Integrity28]

Pretty much what Ive been saying for 3 years .

Cast Offs, Jailbirds, and Complainers for our young QB

Yes. But TomShane says it so much more eloquently than you.

[Smashmouth]

Besides helping us win several playoff games, I can't really think of anything those guys did for us...

Let's see.. who caught a touchdown in the divisional playoffs against the Patriots?

Well there was Tomlinson first, the second one was to Edwards... and.... oh yeah, Holmes made a beautiful catch for the third.

What was the FO thinking????

Ok Tomlinson was at the tail end of his career, some were calling him finished. He played better than I expected but really nothing special and obviously nothing long term for our young QB to grow with. Last year he caught 52 balls whos replacing that production ? Who of the Jets current RB's can we rely on to block for the Qb in our 3rd down schemes ? Tomlinson was one of the best ever Joe McKnight is horrible and Powell has been having issues picking up blitzes.

Edwards seemed to mesh nicely with Sanchez and even was the first of the 2 receivers to say he would play for a discount yet the Jets completely ignored him and signed Santonio Holmes to a ridiculous contract probably one of the stupidest contracts in the history of the team TBH. Edwards was younger than what we replaced him with but **** it.

So yeah what was the FO thinking ? To replace Edwards the Jets bring in Plaxico age 34 who is a known disruption and been out of the league for 3 years due to shooting himself in the leg with a loaded gun in a night club. Then they sign an even bigger loudmouth in Mason at the age of 38. Totaly ignoring Cotchery who has been a gamer for this team for years. Nice trade off Cotch for Mason funny thing was Jets fans on this board were actully claiming a WR 10 years older than the one we had was a good move GONE after week 4 after Idiot Rex claims 90 catches. Burress is not catching on with other teams because he is a known locker room cancer he would make a nice red zone specialist for teams in need of a WR but if he fills that role he will just complain that hes not geting the ball more often. Teams simply dont want the disruption

This year we have a known issue at RT but the Jets tell us Wayne Hunters terrible season was a fluke and hes our starting RT. Most fans here are up in arms screaming for the Jets to so something because after all on a ground and pound offense whats more important than the OL right ? So a good RT is available in Eric Winston who signed for much less than I thought he would . The Jets had the money to sign the guy but totally wiffed on the situation just like they did last year when we knew they had major depth Issues on the OL. Turner who blocked well as a big TE in our running game for years and was known to be a tough SOB in the running game was just allowed to walk to the Rams to be replaced by whom ? Oh a guy who they traded for with Wayne Hunter but makes 1.5 mllion more in Salary than Hunter. If you do the math the Jets could have easily Signed Winston and solidified the position for at the very least the next 3-4 years. Nah lets get that # 2 over all player who is being labeled a bust as yet anther castoff to add to the list of castoffs.

Tanny is my ****ing hero. Hes done a bang up Job dismantling a team close to a SB by making bad move after bad move. A team that claims to be a G & P team who can no longer run the football beause we no longer have the horses at TE OL or RB. If you have some Issues on the OL you can get away with some of that by utilizing a shifty back who can make something out of nothing you know a MJD type. Ive seen the Jets make moves before to create cap space but we dont want Drew According to some because you dont sign RB's to their second contract. I love this stance Certainly hurt us bad when we signed Thomas Jones and Curtis Martin what a mess those guys turned out to be. Some may dislike Jones but he played well here and never fumbled the football and certainly knew how to get a first down on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1. What do we have now ? Whos our 3rd down back Tim Tebow ?

[THE ILK]

JiF, next year draft our offense, OK thanks!

[#27TheDominator]

I think it was Bill Walsh who said, basically, that you draft a QB, then you host a fire drill to surround that QB with every player, position coach, playbook, and coaching emphasis to get absolutely everything you can out of that QB, and if you don't, you've wasted that draft pick. I think, more than anything, the Jets have no concept of building a team, historically preferring to slap disparate parts together and hoping it works. The Bradway/Tannenbaum Era has been marked by this, most especially on offense. There's no coherent plan because there's no adult in the room--it's an accountant sitting in a room with a silver-spoons billionaire and a defensive coordinator pretending he's a Head Coach.

Giving Baby Schottenheimer autonomy was as stupid then as giving Sparano autonomy is now. Both of them needed to be bailed out by falling backwards into the next Tom Brady, but that will never happen. I think they're all legitimately flummoxed by the fact that Sanchez hasn't become Eli Manning, as if they're the collective victims of some cruel, cosmic hoax.

So, to answer the question, it's Woody's fault.

It's funny that you quote Walsh there as if the problem is that these guys haven't done that. IMO their biggest problem is that is what they are doing [Edit: should say trying to do]. They are running round and round trying to make Sanchez the guy we all want him to be. They keep trying to have a "franchise" QB. **** that. We don't need one. We have the horses. I don't blame the attempt with Sanchez, but I don't want to spend any more money or chain myself to the guy. Suppose we did our best to spend all our money making the strongest team without worrying about QB. Would be much worse off with Tavaris Jackson starting and Vince Young at wildcat/punt protector? Most "dynasty" teams use a high draft pick on a QB and ride him, but there are plenty of guys that come out of nowhere and run better offenses - Gannon, Warner, Trent Green. Put one of those guys on the Jets and the Pats are scared sh*tless.

[Jetscode1]

Ok Tomlinson was at the tail end of his career, some were calling him finished. He played better than I expected but really nothing special and obviously nothing long term for our young QB to grow with. Last year he caught 52 balls whos replacing that production ? Who of the Jets current RB's can we rely on to block for the Qb in our 3rd down schemes ? Tomlinson was one of the best ever Joe McKnight is horrible and Powell has been having issues picking up blitzes.

Edwards seemed to mesh nicely with Sanchez and even was the first of the 2 receivers to say he would play for a discount yet the Jets completely ignored him and signed Santonio Holmes to a ridiculous contract probably one of the stupidest contracts in the history of the team TBH. Edwards was younger than what we replaced him with but **** it.

So yeah what was the FO thinking ? To replace Edwards the Jets bring in Plaxico age 34 who is a known disruption and been out of the league for 3 years due to shooting himself in the leg with a loaded gun in a night club. Then they sign an even bigger loudmouth in Mason at the age of 38. Totaly ignoring Cotchery who has been a gamer for this team for years. Nice trade off Cotch for Mason funny thing was Jets fans on this board were actully claiming a WR 10 years older than the one we had was a good move GONE after week 4 after Idiot Rex claims 90 catches. Burress is not catching on with other teams because he is a known locker room cancer he would make a nice red zone specialist for teams in need of a WR but if he fills that role he will just complain that hes not geting the ball more often. Teams simply dont want the disruption

This year we have a known issue at RT but the Jets tell us Wayne Hunters terrible season was a fluke and hes our starting RT. Most fans here are up in arms screaming for the Jets to so something because after all on a ground and pound offense whats more important than the OL right ? So a good RT is available in Eric Winston who signed for much less than I thought he would . The Jets had the money to sign the guy but totally wiffed on the situation just like they did last year when we knew they had major depth Issues on the OL. Turner who blocked well as a big TE in our running game for years and was known to be a tough SOB in the running game was just allowed to walk to the Rams to be replaced by whom ? Oh a guy who they traded for with Wayne Hunter but makes 1.5 mllion more in Salary than Hunter. If you do the math the Jets could have easily Signed Winston and solidified the position for at the very least the next 3-4 years. Nah lets get that # 2 over all player who is being labeled a bust as yet anther castoff to add to the list of castoffs.

Tanny is my ****ing hero. Hes done a bang up Job dismantling a team close to a SB by making bad move after bad move. A team that claims to be a G & P team who can no longer run the football beause we no longer have the horses at TE OL or RB. If you have some Issues on the OL you can get away with some of that by utilizing a shifty back who can make something out of nothing you know a MJD type. Ive seen the Jets make moves before to create cap space but we dont want Drew According to some because you dont sign RB's to their second contract. I love this stance Certainly hurt us bad when we signed Thomas Jones and Curtis Martin what a mess those guys turned out to be. Some may dislike Jones but he played well here and never fumbled the football and certainly knew how to get a first down on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1. What do we have now ? Whos our 3rd down back Tim Tebow ?

Agree completely on your analysis on how we got here. Just don't like your proposed solution in MJD. The cost is too high in both compensation to the players and the Jags. The sad part is, if the situation continues with MJD in Jacksonville, I actually could see Tanny trying to pull off this deal.

[Smashmouth]

Agree completely on your analysis on how we got here. Just don't like your proposed solution in MJD. The cost is too high in both compensation to the players and the Jags. The sad part is, if the situation continues with MJD in Jacksonville, I actually could see Tanny trying to pull off this deal.

This may very well be the case. I get not signing a RB in some circumstances but we are talking about the whole package here in MJD he can run hard, hes shifty, and he can catch the ball out of the backfield. teams will have to account for him at all times making our play action game that much better. It should even help with pass protection because teams will have to respect him. I think he is the Missing link in this offense. The guy is also built like a tank its not like hes the type of guy whos just going to fizzle out but if we sign him for 5 years and get 3 great years out of him I think its well worth it.The key here is we dont have to run the guy into the ground .

[gangreenman]

Holmes, Edwards and Tomlinson were literally exiled from their former teams. Then they get Derrick Mason, thrown out of Baltimore, then sign Plaxico out of prison, who led a mutiny against the QB. Then they replace Thomas Jones with Shonn Greene. Meanwhile, they're extending Wayne Hunter and signing rugby players because they'd run out of draft picks.

On the coaching front, they give Sanchez to Matt Cavanaugh and Brian Schottenheimer, both fresh on the heels of ruining their last high QB pick, Kellen Clemens.

None of this is to say that Sanchez (or Clemens) would have been great somewhere else. It's just to say that the Jets are to quarterback development what Jerry Sandusky is to babysitting

The only valid point you made really was the Hunter extension, which, I admit, was mind boggling.

So what if Holmes, Edwards, and Tomlinson were "exiled from their former teams"? Your first post you quoted Bill Walsh who said you do whatever you can to surround your QB with talent. Now its, you do whatever you can to surround your young QB with the best talent, so long as you have to give up too much to get that talent? They signed Plax because they thought he'd be a real redzone threat and an upgrade over Braylon. They signed Mason because he is a better player than Cotchery. They were hoping (assuming) Sanchez would take a big step in his third year, and when he didn't the whole plan fell apart. Also, Their 5th round pick at WR, Kerley, was beating out Mason, allowing the Jets to trade him, for a draft pick... Oh, the humanity!!

You do realize Brian Schottenheimer's first QB was Drew Brees, right? How long did it take him to develop into a HOF caliber QB? And if you're a Saints fan, you would complain that the GM should never have picked him up, considering he was exiled from SD, right? Hindsight is 20/20 pal, just because the plan hasn't worked as perfectly as they would have liked, doesn't mean there wasn't a plan.

[Lizard King]

Schotty picked a team with even less talent on offense than the Jets so who knows. Amendola and Brandon Gibson. Yikes.

Amendola has wheels I wish we had him it would be adios Tone time

[gangreenman]

Gangreenman

Slow your ignorance. If the Jets want to run the ball and play defense, why would I complain about getting the best rusher in football?

If Mr. T didn't call the Jags about MJD, he didn't do his job, that's all I'm saying. he makes the jets instant deep playoff threats!

You saying the Jets are a better team this year with Tebow and a #2 pick next year instead of MJD?

BD

MJD is good, but probably not worth what the Jags are requesting for his services. He is an older RB now, and the shelf life for that position is probably the shortest in the league. I think there have been below-average RBs that have had great seasons when lining up behind an OL capable of blocking and a QB capable of throwing. On the flip side, Ive seen a lot of good RB's have down years when they have an incompetent OL blocking for them and a QB that sucks.

If we traded a 1st or 2nd round pick, and MJD struggled this year...You're going to tell me you wouldn't look back and complain about Tanny wasting a draft pick, and allotting a big money contract, when he could have drafted (insert prospect x, y, or z) with that pick instead and had him for cheap?

Shonn Greene is in the final year of his contract. Bilal Powell is having a nice camp/preseason. I like the idea of running Greene into the ground during the season, and letting Powell start coming in late in the season and in the playoffs, much like we did with Jones and Greene in 09. Then we can draft another RB next offseason.

[T0mShane]

The only valid point you made really was the Hunter extension, which, I admit, was mind boggling.

So what if Holmes, Edwards, and Tomlinson were "exiled from their former teams"? Your first post you quoted Bill Walsh who said you do whatever you can to surround your QB with talent. Now its, you do whatever you can to surround your young QB with the best talent, so long as you have to give up too much to get that talent? They signed Plax because they thought he'd be a real redzone threat and an upgrade over Braylon. They signed Mason because he is a better player than Cotchery. They were hoping (assuming) Sanchez would take a big step in his third year, and when he didn't the whole plan fell apart. Also, Their 5th round pick at WR, Kerley, was beating out Mason, allowing the Jets to trade him, for a draft pick... Oh, the humanity!!

You do realize Brian Schottenheimer's first QB was Drew Brees, right? How long did it take him to develop into a HOF caliber QB? And if you're a Saints fan, you would complain that the GM should never have picked him up, considering he was exiled from SD, right? Hindsight is 20/20 pal, just because the plan hasn't worked as perfectly as they would have liked, doesn't mean there wasn't a plan.

Look at the roster on offense. If, in Year Four of the Sanchez Era, this was the group of players you expected him to succeed with, you had no plan.

[T0mShane]

It's funny that you quote Walsh there as if the problem is that these guys haven't done that. IMO their biggest problem is that is what they are doing [Edit: should say trying to do]. They are running round and round trying to make Sanchez the guy we all want him to be. They keep trying to have a "franchise" QB. **** that. We don't need one. We have the horses. I don't blame the attempt with Sanchez, but I don't want to spend any more money or chain myself to the guy. Suppose we did our best to spend all our money making the strongest team without worrying about QB. Would be much worse off with Tavaris Jackson starting and Vince Young at wildcat/punt protector? Most "dynasty" teams use a high draft pick on a QB and ride him, but there are plenty of guys that come out of nowhere and run better offenses - Gannon, Warner, Trent Green. Put one of those guys on the Jets and the Pats are scared sh*tless.

In the history of the Jets franchise, when have they ever come up with a Rich Gannon or Kurt Warner?

[SMC]

I think judgment should be withheld on Spo & the offense until we have some regular game samples (first four), with full game planning, full compliment of plays, and seeing how he adjusts in the second half.

[gangreenman]

Look at the roster on offense. If, in Year Four of the Sanchez Era, this was the group of players you expected him to succeed with, you had no plan.

Aside from the RT position, I think the roster is pretty solid. Definitely good enough for what they expected to be a franchise-caliber QB entering his fourth season. Look at the Saints roster, or the Giants, or whoever. They all have good to great franchise QB's, with a solid OL, a good pass-catching TE or two, a proven #1 WR, a burner at #2, and a quick speedster as a slot.

Thats what the Jets have, save for maybe the RT position, which I agree, Tanny seems to have messed up on.

If Sanchez is good enough to become an elite, franchise QB for the Jets. This is a roster he should do fine with. If not, then its time to start rebuilding anyway.

[SMC]

You do realize Brian Schottenheimer's first QB was Drew Brees, right? How long did it take him to develop into a HOF caliber QB?

About right after Schitty stopped being his QB coach.

[THE ILK]

In the history of the Jets franchise, when have they ever come up with a Rich Gannon or Kurt Warner?

In the pre-season, Brett Ratliff duh!

[#27TheDominator]

In the history of the Jets franchise, when have they ever come up with a Rich Gannon or Kurt Warner?

Not my point. My point is that we DON'T have to act like QB is the be all end all. With this D we just need competent. Sometimes when you start winning with competent it develops into Trent Green, or Rich Gannon. Other times some sh*thead can get you there or pretty close - Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Kerry Collins, Vinny Testaverde.

[faba]

The biggest key in my mind is to not turn the ball over-last year way too many turnovers to win a number of games. We need Sanchez to play smart to have a chance. Will it happen? we have had that debate ongoing

[NJ]

Schwanse-a-gram!

Fantastic TS

[ZachEY]

If there's anything I've learned, the "it's all the offensive coordinator's fault" argument will never die.

Hackett sucked. Heimerdinger sucked. Schotty sucked. Now Sparano sucks.

Easy.

[NJ]

But to answer the thread title - yes and yes

[SMC]

If there's anything I've learned, the "it's all the offensive coordinator's fault" argument will never die.

Hackett sucked. Heimerdinger sucked. Schotty sucked. Now Sparano sucks.

Easy.

That's true, but the underplayed problem may be the defensive minded HC, which all 4 OCs have in common.

[Afinogenov]

The biggest key in my mind is to not turn the ball over-last year way too many turnovers to win a number of games. We need Sanchez to play smart to have a chance. Will it happen? we have had that debate ongoing

Accidentally neg repped browsing on the iPhone, I agree tho, Sanchez cuts turnovers by 25 percent this year and the offense will instantly appear that much better

[BlackDynamite]

"Sanchez cuts turnovers by 25 percent this year and the offense will instantly appear that much better"

He has one turnover (that was his fault) this preseason in over 100 snaps, so he's on a righteous path.....

BD

[SenorGato]

That's true, but the underplayed problem may be the defensive minded HC, which all 4 OCs have in common.

They also have bad route/play designs, gameplans, and playcalls.

[afosomf]

They also have bad route/play designs, gameplans, and playcalls.

You will find out when rams play jets, Jets Monster Def vs Capgun Ewes O led by anti-christ

[artemusclyde]

"Sanchez cuts turnovers by 25 percent this year and the offense will instantly appear that much better"

He has one turnover (that was his fault) this preseason in over 100 snaps, so he's on a righteous path.....

BD

And has yet to obtain a touchdown or even show signs of moving the chains beside one game. That righteous path of yours isn't looking so good.

[stoicsentry]

And has yet to obtain a touchdown or even show signs of moving the chains beside one game. That righteous path of yours isn't looking so good.

Yeah but then again, he's played, what, one full game worth of snaps?

2 games without 2 of his top 3 receivers, too.

Not a fan of the guy but not as worried as everyone else.