Knix Tix Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 If those draft picks weren't going to work out, I'm glad we're doing something about it now while we have the chance. Something tells me a big move is in the works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I've never seen so much hand wringing over 7 guys who won't play on game day wtf people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) I've never seen so much hand wringing over 7 guys who won't play on game day wtf people Very rarely do you see a late-rounder contribute immediately, but perhaps a few of those 7 guys could have been something for us down the line. The job of a front office is to, you know, OCCASIONALLY find a diamond in the rough from the late rounds/UDFA pile. Edited September 2, 2012 by Jetsfan80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 My major issue so far is that Tannenbaum gave the impression that he'd use this weekend to shore up obvious holes on this roster, and that hasn't been the case. No blocking TE, no back, no OL help, nothing but a fourth nose tackle, a third finesse TE, and a WR that will never play. Cutting the draft picks isn't a big deal in practical terms, but in the big picture it looks sh*tty because this was really the first year Tannenbaum placed a value on using late picks to stock the back end of the roster with young, developmental prospects. Instead, they're going with Jason Smith and Yeremiah Bell, neither of whom will be on the roster next year. Water-treading. I dont like cutting them because it shows a pretty big failure on the part of the organization to identify even marginal talent. It means you could not even find players to contribute on special teams. Back when I did my projections on the players there were the takeaways on round 6 and 7: "You cant expect much from the players here. Terrance Ganaway is likely a total throwaway selection and may not even play much this year before being released in year 2. Bush has a chance to be a special teams contributor and perhaps slightly more. If he lasted for 3 years it would be a decent pick for the team. In Griffin's case he probably can have the same upside as a Slauson but the most likely scenario is cut by the start of year 2013." "Based on the Jets track record we can project that Antonio Allen has about a 10% chance of never appearing in a game while Jordan White is closer to 20%. With either player be good? Well the chance is minimal, but if you can get a year or twos worth of decent special teams play and decent practice help you should not really complain much about the selections". So these picks ended up even worse than I thought even with the low expectations. I also think the Jets are in a position where they just fell the need to hang onto certain players due to cap considerations. I think they know they are stuck with the same team in 2013 and they get in 2012 and its better to take a guy who played in the NFL last season than a dud draft pick who they have no feel for. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 IMO this year was business as usual for a guy who has one of the oddest draft philosophies I've ever seen. Wait you mean trading two draft picks for a wide receiver in the second round is odd? The organization told us that Hill has the same raw ability as Calvin Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) The issue is the lack of college scouting and draft planning within the organization. I don't expect the Jets to draft rookie starters in the later rounds but it would certainly be nice to find some developmental players to develop as backups and ultimately fill a need. The idea that the 5th, 6th, and 7th rd is when Tannenbaum starts playing his xbox and just pulls a random name out of the hat really burns my ass. Low round picks: Slauson (09) and Kerley (11) are both starters. This year hopefully we hit on Bush, who is still on the roster, and White, who is now on the practice squad. I dont like cutting them because it shows a pretty big failure on the part of the organization to identify even marginal talent. It means you could not even find players to contribute on special teams. Not even necessarily true. It shows that there were other guys that you think can provide you with more. If the choice is sticking with a 6th rounder that you don't believe in, or cutting him for a guy that you think can make a slightly larger impact, then I'll take the latter. So these picks ended up even worse than I thought even with the low expectations. I also think the Jets are in a position where they just fell the need to hang onto certain players due to cap considerations. I think they know they are stuck with the same team in 2013 and they get in 2012 and its better to take a guy who played in the NFL last season than a dud draft pick who they have no feel for. I don't get this. You're supposed to be a guy who knows better. So one of our 6's ends up on the team, contributing in a special teams role for now... a 7 ends up on the practice squad. These are kind of, you know, run-of-the-freaking-mill NFL events. Edited September 2, 2012 by stoicsentry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) Very rarely do you see a late-rounder contribute immediately, but perhaps a few of those 7 guys could have been something for us down the line. The job of a front office is to, you know, OCCASIONALLY find a diamond in the rough from the late rounds/UDFA pile. Austin Howard, Matt Slauson, Jeremy Kerley... all starters. Aaron Maybin reclaimed and thriving. There's 4 good low round/scrapheap/redemption type guys. Dixon was that for awhile, but really, we're stacked at d-line so whatever. Josh Bush is still on the roster, we'll see what happens with him. Edited September 2, 2012 by stoicsentry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Austin Howard, Matt Slauson, Jeremy Kerley... all starters. Aaron Maybin reclaimed and thriving. There's 4 good low round/scrapheap/redemption type guys. Dixon was that for awhile, but really, we're stacked at d-line so whatever. Josh Bush is still on the roster, we'll see what happens with him. Throw in Mike DeVito as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Wait you mean trading two draft picks for a wide receiver in the second round is odd? The organization told us that Hill has the same raw ability as Calvin Johnson. Totes worth it to replace Braylon's blocking bruh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 A good second running back and a good blocking TE would take this team places. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Tannenbaum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I'm not saying that Mike Tannenbaum pays anyone to post here. I'm just saying that if he did, it would look a lot like stoicsentry. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) I'm not saying that Mike Tannenbaum pays anyone to post here. I'm just saying that if he did, it would look a lot like stoicsentry. Edited September 2, 2012 by pointman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 2, 2012 Author Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) I'm not saying that Mike Tannenbaum pays anyone to post here. I'm just saying that if he did, it would look a lot like stoicsentry. Stoic's in a real bind here. He has to find a way to say that half of Tannenbaum's draft picks were completely wasted without saying that Tannenbaum drafted sh*tty players with half of his draft picks. It won't be long until he claims they were "great girls," but we "just didn't click." Edited September 2, 2012 by T0mShane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GATA Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 BREAKING: TE REULEN WAS HIGH SCHOOL TEAMMATE OF MARK SANCHEZ. WORKS WELL WITH JETS PHILOSOPHY OF "MARK NEEDS MORE ROLL-DAWGS TO SUCCEED." You're slaying here... LMAO I h8 you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I'm not saying that Mike Tannenbaum pays anyone to post here. I'm just saying that if he did, it would look a lot like stoicsentry. With Gato working for free, but trying really, really hard to get on the payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) I'm not saying that Mike Tannenbaum pays anyone to post here. I'm just saying that if he did, it would look a lot like stoicsentry. http://espn.go.com/n...ason-starts-now The fans are over-reacting, of course, tearing down GM Mike Tannenbaum before his team has had the chance to play a real game. Let's see what unfolds, starting in nine days against the Buffalo Bills, before we start firing people. When Rich Cimini says you're too hard on the Jets, that's like Joseph McCarthy saying you're too tough on communism. Edited September 2, 2012 by stoicsentry 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Stoic's in a real bind here. He has to find a way to say that half of Tannenbaum's draft picks were completely wasted without saying that Tannenbaum drafted sh*tty players with half of his draft picks. It won't be long until he claims they were "great girls," but we "just didn't click." LOL @ "half his draft picks." We're talking about compensatory 6th and seventh rounders here. Hardly -realistically- half the draft. Basically glorified UFAs. The common complaint around here is that the Jets hold onto their picks too long. If these guys weren't cutting it, then I'm glad they're gone. Don't understand the commotion around a "blocking TE," either. I'd prefer a TE who can catch, first. The Jets can always trot out Smith for the jumbo package if need be. Sanchez needs big guys who can catch. The WR and NT are probably here because Sparano said they were worth it. Probably the same reason that Chad Henne isn't the Jets backup. For better or worse, Rex has a lot of respect for Sparano. And does anyone know how the mini draft even works? Teams put in priority claims and secondary claims....? I don't know. I'm guessing the Jets probably missed out on a couple guys they wanted because of the dynamics there. Maybe they put in for one of those elusive blocking TEs that someone else took, but didn't want to put in a second claim for another one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Don't understand the commotion around a "blocking TE," either. I'd prefer a TE who can catch, first. As do I. Yet we traded up for a guy like Keller and didn't even bother putting a claim out for a guy like Moore. Le sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 The New York Jets really don't seem to know what the Mini Draft is all about 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Blocking TE and backup RB.....whhyyyyyyyyyyyyy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 LOL @ "half his draft picks." We're talking about compensatory 6th and seventh rounders here. Hardly -realistically- half the draft. Basically glorified UFAs. The common complaint around here is that the Jets hold onto their picks too long. If these guys weren't cutting it, then I'm glad they're gone. Don't understand the commotion around a "blocking TE," either. I'd prefer a TE who can catch, first. The Jets can always trot out Smith for the jumbo package if need be. Sanchez needs big guys who can catch. The WR and NT are probably here because Sparano said they were worth it. Probably the same reason that Chad Henne isn't the Jets backup. For better or worse, Rex has a lot of respect for Sparano. And does anyone know how the mini draft even works? Teams put in priority claims and secondary claims....? I don't know. I'm guessing the Jets probably missed out on a couple guys they wanted because of the dynamics there. Maybe they put in for one of those elusive blocking TEs that someone else took, but didn't want to put in a second claim for another one. If only we could draft a solid blocker at TE who can actually catch the ball a little, without having to burn a high pick or big FA dollars on. I mean, why can't the Jets ever draft someone like Joel Dreesen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 The New York Jets really don't seem to know what the Mini Draft is all about lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 2, 2012 Author Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) LOL @ "half his draft picks." We're talking about compensatory 6th and seventh rounders here. Hardly -realistically- half the draft. Basically glorified UFAs. The common complaint around here is that the Jets hold onto their picks too long. If these guys weren't cutting it, then I'm glad they're gone. Agree with you. My poke at stoic, who seems to endorse everything Tannenbaum does, is that he had to simultaneously praise Tannenbaum for drafting and then cutting the same players. Don't understand the commotion around a "blocking TE," either. I'd prefer a TE who can catch, first. The Jets can always trot out Smith for the jumbo package if need be. Sanchez needs big guys who can catch. The WR and NT are probably here because Sparano said they were worth it. Probably the same reason that Chad Henne isn't the Jets backup. For better or worse, Rex has a lot of respect for Sparano. A blocking TE has to pose at least a minimal threat to get out into the pattern. Putting the extra tackle out there is neat, but it presents an easy matchup situation, especially in the play-action passing offense that Sparano plans to run. Ideally, you have a Heath Miller-type that can do both, but Keller is not that dude. Edited September 2, 2012 by T0mShane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) Agree with you. My poke at stoic, who seems to endorse everything Tannenbaum does, is that he had to simultaneously praise Tannenbaum for drafting and then cutting the same players. The logic: ON DRAFT DAY picking up Antonio Allen, Terrance Gannaway, and White in the 6th and 7th makes sense because we can't trade the comp picks, they produced in college, and some prospect guy out there would make the case that those guys could/should have gone a little earlier. COME ACTUAL FOOTBALL TIME: Turns out they're all JAGS through their first camp and losing them won't effects things significantly one way or another. If you look at it from the lazy and easy POV of "zomg they was just drafted! Potential! Upside! We throw that away so soon!" then yes, it's probably a terrible loss and sign. Edited September 2, 2012 by SenorGato 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Agree with you. My poke at stoic, who seems to endorse everything Tannenbaum does, is that he had to simultaneously praise Tannenbaum for drafting and then cutting the same players. Stoic's fighting the good fight. I think the negativity has been a little over the deep end lately, with the mini-draft causing a lot of silliness. Tannenbaum took a lot of heat for the Coples and Hill picks, that they were both swinging for the fences types, but right about now they're looking pretty good pencilled into the starting lineup. Would've been nice if those later guys stuck, but I think the premise was correct. They used those picks to draft productive college players at need positions. Just didn't work out. I think Allen is the only guy I'm actually disappointed about. Glad White made the practice squad. A blocking TE has to pose at least a minimal threat to get out into the pattern. Putting the extra tackle out there is neat, but it presents an easy matchup situation, especially in the play-action passing offense that Sparano plans to run. Ideally, you have a Heath Miller-type that can do both, but Keller is not that dude. I get the premise. And yeah, the Jets should be able to find someone like that. I don't see why a guy like John Conner can't line up there, though, when a tackle isn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 With Gato working for free, but trying really, really hard to get on the payroll. It's easy to work free when he's still getting some of his salary subsidized by the schotty camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 T0mShane always cracks me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 http://espn.go.com/n...ason-starts-now When Rich Cimini says you're too hard on the Jets, that's like Joseph McCarthy saying you're too tough on communism. The problem is that those countering the argument are acting as if its based solely on the results of this preseason and that's just dead wrong. It's really a load of bull when one side gets stuck having to deconstruct a poor frame encasing a falsely construed narrative. This was his 7th offseason. 7 years, still no offense. Guy's been here since 2006. That's the point and that's more than enough time to construct an offense. It's completely unacceptable work. The whole "but he inherited a mess from Bradway" excuse has been dead and gone since the Bush administration. Last year's meltdown was of epic proportions. With really nothing done this year to rectify anything. Sparano, Hill, and Tebow. That's what we got and that's what we were told would be the fix. And yet, there's been not one sign that this will be the case. Nothing tangible. Tebow sucks. Hill looks light years away from capitalizing on his physical capabiliies. And Sparano looks like the questionable hire that many expected him to be. Thus, preseason, now, serves as the counterpoint to the hammering of naming names as rebuttals for objective criticism throughout the summer; and it's a pretty solid one unless you're ready to sit here and claim that the double secret wildcat is the answer to the apparent continuation of offensive ineptitude that rounded out the disaster of 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 T0mShane always cracks me up. Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 8-8 is epic now? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergen Jet Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 8-8 is epic now? Really? Don't you remember how historically bad 8-8 is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 8-8 is epic now? Really? Again, this is the problem. I say meltdown, you counter with 8-8 and wish to debate hyperbole in some sort of grand, ambiguous frame. Meltdown indicates some sort of decline, which in this case is the last 3 games of 2011. Which were certainly epically bad on the offensive side. It's really not hard to figure out what I'm talking about if you ditch the preconceived notion for just one second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Again, this is the problem. I say meltdown, you counter with 8-8 and wish to debate hyperbole in some sort of grand, ambiguous frame. Meltdown indicates some sort of decline, which in this case is the last 3 games of 2011. Which were certainly epically bad on the offensive side. It's really not hard to figure out what I'm talking about if you ditch the preconceived notion for just one second. Then why not just say meltdown? You said the word epic in front of it, so of course that's going to be called into question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Don't you remember how historically bad 8-8 is? Don't you remember when the Jets were sitting at 8-5 and in control of their own destiny, then completely collapsed? No? Nobody remembers that one anymore huh? Guess I didn't get that memo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Then why not just say meltdown? You said the word epic in front of it, so of course that's going to be called into question. Did you watch those games? An offense that makes me yearn for Chad Pennington is epically bad by any definition of the word. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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