Leberfeld on MSG-Inmates running the asylum?

[Bugg]

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Bam, smack, POW!

Dan Leberfeld

Are the inmates running the asylum?

Dec 12, 2005

Jets backup tailbacks Cedric Houston and B.J. Askew looked pretty good in the team's 26-10 win over the Oakland Raiders.

Houston ran for 74 yards and Askew amassed 54 yards.

They were filling in for an injured Curtis Martin, whose season is over due to a right knee injury. Martin injured his knee in the Jets

[RSJ]

I was really impressed with Askew and suprised.

[JetsMan57]

Sans his strong love affair for Bolly this year (I agree with Leber that Bolly should have been given more of a shot earlier on - but he just kept riding it like we had Brady on the bench or something) Leberfeld has been spot on in killing Herm this year. I actually have a new found respect for him. He took Herm to task all year.

[PatsFanTX]

But sometimes you wonder if the inmates are running the asylum in Hempstead. Chad Pennington talked his way back into the Jacksonville game with a serious shoulder injury. Martin convinced the coach that he was okay to play with a knee that requires surgery. Vinny Testaverde lobbies his way back on the team, when he was terrible fit for a club with major protection issues.

Wow, on most teams in the NFL, the HC makes these kind of decisions.

Only on the Jets do the players call the shots.

Quick BZ, spin this one for me. :wink:

[AFJF]

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Bam, smack, POW!

Dan Leberfeld

Are the inmates running the asylum?

Dec 12, 2005

Jets backup tailbacks Cedric Houston and B.J. Askew looked pretty good in the team's 26-10 win over the Oakland Raiders.

Houston ran for 74 yards and Askew amassed 54 yards.

They were filling in for an injured Curtis Martin, whose season is over due to a right knee injury. Martin injured his knee in the Jets

[4HCrew]

Brilliant commentary!

[Maxman]

Wow, on most teams in the NFL, the HC makes these kind of decisions.

Only on the Jets do the players call the shots.

Quick BZ, spin this one for me. :wink:

It is fortunate that Herm had the opportunity to learn from this. It will make him a better coach next year. The Jets will be better under his leadership next season.

You know what...I have defended Herm for years. In all seriousness I can NOT defend what happened with Curtis this year.

I got mad when I heard the goal was fopr 1,000 yards. I want my coach to say who cares about records I want to win a SuperBowl. Herm made a comment about Curtis and the Hall Of Fame in his press conference. That is what the fans should be worrying about. Not the head coach.

Also clearly not Curtis' fault. He is a warrior. The coach should decide when he is hurting the team by playing. We fault John Abe for not playing last year in the playoffs. We can't fault Curt for the same thing. He says he can go...the coach needs to make the call.

I guess Dick Curl wasnt' around when Herm and Curtis spoke.

[Bugg]

I guess d!ck Curl wasnt' around when Herm and Curtis spoke.

D1ckie has the easiest job in America-"Great idea, Boss!" Again-we are the only team in the NFL to employ a coach expressly to watch the clock, and he cannot even do that right. And this is part of the HC job most Pop Warner guys grasp almost fully on Day 1. Edwards, at the highest level of football, cannot figure it out even with D1ckie after 5 years. For anyone who has confidence this HC will get better, please, explain to me how you see that happening based on the above item.

[PatsFanTX]

Again-we are the only team in the NFL to employ a coach expressly to watch the clock, and he cannot even do that right.

This is a no-brainer.

If the Jets get rid of Dickie Curl they'll be well under the salary cap for next year.

[JonEJet]

Dan Leberfeld

Now all of a sudden you LOVE Dan??

You bash him all year long,tell us what he writes is sh*t....BUT NOW....he is the know it all?

Why is that Bugg, because he hammered the coach you despise.

Lets see if you agree with Dan next week

[Scott Dierking]

Dan raises SOME valid points but some are just FAR fetched.

Are we really going to judge Askew on a final drive, in a game that means nothing, aigainst a team that has had its will broken, when the clock is running down?

Now, Askew is deemed someone we should have undeniably been using all along?

And exactly what stat are we looking at that made Houiston such a star on Sunday? Because he sniffed the goal line against a team that didn't care when the game was in garbage time mode?

I will grant that I like watching the younger players play, and there was some flashes. But to sit here and say that the messiahs were on the bench all this time and that we had an awakening, is just pushing a point to further an agenda.

[Cant Hackett]

It is fortunate that Herm had the opportunity to learn from this. It will make him a better coach next year.

I agree. Just like Herm's learning about clock management. :wink:

[Maxman]

I agree. Just like Herm's learning about clock management. :wink:

Are you saying that it just doesn't add up?

I agree though, my joke sucked.

[Cant Hackett]

Are you saying that it just doesn't add up?

I agree though, my joke sucked.

I'm saying Pavlov's dog learned quicker than Herm.

[afosomf]

This just adds fuel to the fire on how stupid Herm is!

If CM was at 50-60% after week2, he should have been shutdown, who knows how many wins we may have had with cedric and Oral Askew?

And we wouldn't be talking about the golden bush?

Same ole jests!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jetfan13]

This just adds fuel to the fire on how stupid Herm is!

If CM was at 50-60% after week2, he should have been shutdown, who knows how many wins we may have had with cedric and Oral Askew?

And we wouldn't be talking about the golden bush?

Same ole jests!!!!!!!!!!!

youre right, then we would be saying what a great coach we have and we should sign him to a long extension

[Scott Dierking]

This just adds fuel to the fire on how stupid Herm is!

If CM was at 50-60% after week2, he should have been shutdown, who knows how many wins we may have had with cedric and Oral Askew?

And we wouldn't be talking about the golden bush?

Same ole jests!!!!!!!!!!!

Curtis Martin:

Week 6- 18-148

Week 9- 21-72

Week 10- 19-75

Week 12-24-91

While those stats are not great, if those were accomplished with a knee that was 50-60%, then, ladies and gentleman, we have our back for '06.

I think that we all realize that is not the case. This is being overexaggerated

[afosomf]

Curtis Martin:

Week 6- 18-148

Week 9- 21-72

Week 10- 19-75

Week 12-24-91

While those stats are not great, if those were accomplished with a knee that was 50-60%, then, ladies and gentleman, we have our back for '06.

I think that we all realize that is not the case. This is being overexaggerated

SD- CM has looked slow all season.. Give me a break!

[Scott Dierking]

SD- CM has looked slow all season.. Give me a break!

And my point remains-If he accomplished those stats at 50-60 percent, imagine hwat a healthy CM could do!!!!!!!!

Are you really going to bite and swallow that tripe?

[Bugg]

Curtis Martin:

Week 6- 18-148

Week 9- 21-72

Week 10- 19-75

Week 12-24-91

While those stats are not great, if those were accomplished with a knee that was 50-60%, then, ladies and gentleman, we have our back for '06.

I think that we all realize that is not the case. This is being overexaggerated

Other than John Riggins-who had a few career hiatuses due to holdouts and strikes-no back(no Payton, Not Smith, not Harris-all at Martin's age at the end) in at the age martin will be next year has ever rushed for 1000 yards. Riggins also was a big bruiser rather than a finesse cutback guy like Martin. Now, i'd conced martin in small doses in a backfield with a few different guys divvying up carries might be effective. but if your model is to givwe a 34-year olf back 300+ carries,Martin the feature back next year coming off a major injury is probably one qway Edwards can gaurantee a. a crappy season and b. his own firing in 2006.

[Scott Dierking]

Other than John Riggins-who had a few career hiatuses due to holdouts and strikes-no back(no Payton, Not Smith, not Harris-all at Martin's age at the end) in at the age martin will be next year has ever rushed for 1000 yards. Riggins also was a big bruiser rather than a finesse cutback guy like Martin. Now, i'd conced martin in small doses in a backfield with a few different guys divvying up carries might be effective. but if your model is to givwe a 34-year olf back 300+ carries,Martin the feature back next year coming off a major injury is probably one qway Edwards can gaurantee a. a crappy season and b. his own firing in 2006.

Bugg-I don't disagree with anything you have to say there.

My point is that something doesn't jive here-If Martin was 50-60 percent as he is saying (actually he said he was that up until "game time" and then he was ok(?)) and Martin posted some of the games that I demonstrated, I just find it hard to believe.

So which is right-Herm is a dope because he relies on a hurt Martin-But that can be contradicted because Matin threw some very decent games in the mix, OR

-Martin's injury was degenerative with teh season wearing on, and they just decided to cut bait. -This would leave Martin looking more like he is wearing down, and the injury only played a part in that. I don't think that is what he wants you to think though.

The latter is more likely. It only makes sense

[SouthernJet]

Dan raises SOME valid points but some are just FAR fetched.

Are we really going to judge Askew on a final drive, in a game that means nothing, aigainst a team that has had its will broken, when the clock is running down?

Now, Askew is deemed someone we should have undeniably been using all along?

And exactly what stat are we looking at that made Houiston such a star on Sunday? Because he sniffed the goal line against a team that didn't care when the game was in garbage time mode?

I will grant that I like watching the younger players play, and there was some flashes. But to sit here and say that the messiahs were on the bench all this time and that we had an awakening, is just pushing a point to further an agenda.

u r unreal,, forget the last drive bs,,

Curtis said he was 45%..........

come on, every player on the roster is somewhat capable,,

\u r not gonna tell me that a 100% Houston was not a mpore valid choice than a 45% CM,,,

come on, even u r not that polyanna

[Scott Dierking]

u r unreal,, forget the last drive bs,,

Curtis said he was 45%..........

come on, every player on the roster is somewhat capable,,

\u r not gonna tell me that a 100% Houston was not a mpore valid choice than a 45% CM,,,

come on, even u r not that polyanna

Well, for one game-Houston did not give us much more than Curtis did in the majority of games.

20 some carries, 80 some yards.

Speaking of pollyanna

[SouthernJet]

Well, for one game-Houston did not give us much more than Curtis did in the majority of games.

20 some carries, 80 some yards.

Speaking of pollyanna

yes or no...

do u agree with herms decision to play a 45% Martin over Houston????

[Scott Dierking]

yes or no...

do u agree with herms decision to play a 45% Martin over Houston????

I don't think you understood my point.

My point is that I do not believe that Martin was 45% until the very end, if at all. How do you explain week (6) 148 yards, and week (12) 91 yards while operating at 45%. Do you really believe that? That would be some super-human effort.

I am not buying it.

This is a Martin campaign to say "This is not the real Curtis Martin that you saw this year. The real one was 2004-wink, wink." He is telling us he was never right and that is why the stats are reflecting that.

Again, explain week 6 and week (and others) to me then.

Some of you seem to be caught hook, line and sinker. Hard to believe that this time it is me to have to point it out. Maybe other agendas are clouding you ability to see clearly. I don't know.

[SouthernJet]

I don't think you understood my point.

My point is that I do not believe that Martin was 45% until the very end, if at all. How do you explain week (6) 148 yards, and week (12) 91 yards while operating at 45%. Do you really believe that? That would be some super-human effort.

I am not buying it.

This is a Martin campaign to say "This is not the real Curtis Martin that you saw this year. The real one was 2004-wink, wink." He is telling us he was never right and that is why the stats are reflecting that.

Again, explain week 6 and week (and others) to me then.

Some of you seem to be caught hook, line and sinker. Hard to believe that this time it is me to have to point it out. Maybe other agendas are clouding you ability to see clearly. I don't know.

haha, i knew it,, to avoid callin Herm a fool u r callin Martin or the reporter a liar on the 45% quote,,

u r priceless,,,

[Cant Hackett]

I don't think you understood my point.

My point is that I do not believe that Martin was 45% until the very end, if at all. How do you explain week (6) 148 yards, and week (12) 91 yards while operating at 45%. Do you really believe that? That would be some super-human effort.

I am not buying it.

This is a Martin campaign to say "This is not the real Curtis Martin that you saw this year. The real one was 2004-wink, wink." He is telling us he was never right and that is why the stats are reflecting that.

Again, explain week 6 and week (and others) to me then.

Some of you seem to be caught hook, line and sinker. Hard to believe that this time it is me to have to point it out. Maybe other agendas are clouding you ability to see clearly. I don't know.

If Martin is able to come back, it should only be on a part time basis. I would just cut him. The point is a 33 year old RB is D.O.N.E. Done Done Done

[Scott Dierking]

haha, i knew it,, to avoid callin Herm a fool u r callin Martin or the reporter a liar on the 45% quote,,

u r priceless,,,

SJ-I have said that I want Herm gone at the end of the season. How that is protecting him, is a fool's guess.

I NEVER said that the reporter lied. I am guessing you are having a tough time comprehending what I wrote. I don't have any way to make it more simple for you.

[SouthernJet]

SJ-I have said that I want Herm gone at the end of the season. How that is protecting him, is a fool's guess.

I NEVER said that the reporter lied. I am guessing you are having a tough time comprehending what I wrote. I don't have any way to make it more simple for you.

u said u doubt the 45%??

from reporter? from Curtis? or are you MEDICALLY saying u doubt it? that would be hilarious...

[Scott Dierking]

I am doubting it from some of his performances that I saw this year. Buffalo-he had his burst (well consider burst relative to Curtis).

He had 91 vs NO just a few weeks ago.

Again, this is teh same thing I have been stating over and over in this thread, for some reason, you are having a tough time understanding.

Enough on this dead horse

[SouthernJet]

I am doubting it from some of his performances that I saw this year. Buffalo-he had his burst (well consider burst relative to Curtis).

He had 91 vs NO just a few weeks ago.

Again, this is teh same thing I have been stating over and over in this thread, for some reason, you are having a tough time understanding.

Enough on this dead horse

hahahahahahahaha

the great SD says CM was wrong, he was more than 45% so therefore Herm was justified,,

MD SD,,,nice ring to it,,,

i will give u credit, for willing to look like a clown to keep up with your proHerm stance...

[bitonti]

who would have known the Jets have all these potential all-pros if not hall of famers, just sitting on the bench.

Imagine if the franchise had Dan Leberfeld in charge, Bollinger would be signed to a 10 year deal and Houston would be the annointed tailback for the ages. Cotchery would be the #1 receiver and Joel Dreesen would be better than Tony Gonsolez.

oh if only Dan Leberfeld were in charge... preseason would never end

[SouthernJet]

who would have known the Jets have all these potential all-pros if not hall of famers, just sitting on the bench.

Imagine if the franchise had Dan Leberfeld in charge, Bollinger would be signed to a 10 year deal and Houston would be the annointed tailback for the ages. Cotchery would be the #1 receiver and Joel Dreesen would be better than Tony Gonsolez.

oh if only Dan Leberfeld were in charge... preseason would never end

didnt the author say Curtis SAID HIMSELF that he was 45%???

forget the HOF'ers,,this is a issue over a coach just not being able to sit old and or injured vets over youth,,

[Scott Dierking]

hahahahahahahaha

the great SD says CM was wrong, he was more than 45% so therefore Herm was justified,,

MD SD,,,nice ring to it,,,

i will give u credit, for willing to look like a clown to keep up with your proHerm stance...

Here don't I just give you my pass word and yoy can type things under my name and pretty much tell everybiody else how I feel-WRONGLY of course.

Heaven forbid someone has an opinion that is different than yours,,,,,That would be just plain wrong,,,,,,,

[Scott Dierking]

didnt the author say Curtis SAID HIMSELF that he was 45%???

forget the HOF'ers,,this is a issue over a coach just not being able to sit old and or injured vets over youth,,

Oh, I forgot-Crotchety, naive old men believe thing they read.

My bad.