KINGDIRK Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Good article by Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc....He's not a homer fan with blinders (so I assume this article will be shunned).....just an unbiased view from a guy who gets paid to scout.... After being shut out 34-0 by the San Francisco 49ers on Sunday, what's left to say about the New York Jets? They are cooked. It was simply a miserable performance, with or without Santonio Holmes' injury. While the Jets are 2-2, they look much more like a mediocre team than one contending for the playoffs. What they need to do the rest of this season is some big-picture thinking and figuring out how to get this team back to being a contender. That's right: It's time for the Jets to think about rebuilding. When the Jets were a highly competitive team early in Mark Sanchez's career, they really had everything else besides the difference-making quarterback. Not only has Sanchez possibly regressed, but his supporting cast has gotten worse, as well. The offensive line and running game are the most glaring example. A power running game and a dynamic, reliable tight end would be great comforts for a struggling quarterback like Sanchez. But Shonn Greene and Dustin Keller haven't helped this offense one bit for differing reasons. In fact, I think Greene is one of the worst starting running backs in the NFL. He has little burst, no home run potential and doesn't make anyone miss or contribute as a receiver. Bilal Powell might not ever be a star, but he has to be the lead back going forward. Because New York has so many pressing needs, running back might have to wait, with Powell being the placeholder for 2013 much like Donald Brown currently is for the Colts. Keller hasn't done enough to warrant a big contract (and has been injured since Week 1), but he is a player the Jets must get a lot of opportunities going forward to see what exactly he is worth. Greene and Keller are both free agents after this season and I wouldn't give either player big money, particularly Greene. As for the offensive line, the Jets still have three high-end linemen in D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Brandon Moore and Nick Mangold, but they aren't getting any younger. New York is subpar at the other guard spot, weak at right tackle and the line is very short on depth. This is no longer a dominant front five. An upgrade at right tackle is a must, preferably through the draft to infuse youth up front. Although Holmes, who looked to possibly be seriously injured Sunday, isn't the easiest guy to defend, rarely have I seen an elite wide receiver more frustrated with the guy throwing him the football. Sanchez has left so many plays on the field when targeting Holmes. That has to eventually weigh on Holmes, as he must have no confidence in the ball being where it needs to be. That doesn't excuse Holmes' effort at times, though. Such actions only compound New York's problems and therefore it might be best if the Jets shipped Holmes out of town for draft picks -- even though he is clearly the best receiver on a receiver-starved team. Holmes also makes a lot of money for all the problems he causes. The Jets have to give Stephen Hill a ton of game experience going forward. He is very, very raw, but he is talented. They need to accelerate his development and live with the growing pains.Jeremy Kerley looks like a keeper, but he is a role player and best in the slot. The Jets' biggest problem, however, lies at quarterback. Sanchez has very average tools, and if you have very average tools, you must excel in all other areas. Sanchez, who hasn't connected on 50 percent of his passes since Week 1, simply doesn't excel in the other areas including decision-making, anticipation, dealing with pass-rush pressure and, of course, accuracy. What has been particularly frustrating about Sanchez this year is that his accuracy in the short zones has been very poor, as it was again on Sunday. The Jets should thoroughly explore trading Sanchez. A change of scenery with lower expectations could help his career, and getting him off the books would be fantastic for the Jets' ability to sign free agents and improve their football team. The draft is the path I would take to improve the Jets' QB, as rarely do franchise quarterbacks hit the free-agent market. If it takes New York using all of its offseason resources or draft picks (like the Washington Redskins did to get Robert Griffin III) to land a great quarterback prospect, the Jets have to do it. Even if they can't get into the top five of the draft, could you imagine how much better off the Jets would be with a prospect like Christian Ponder or Ryan Tannehill right now? Also adding a placeholder in the Jason Campbell or Shaun Hill mold could make sense with the plan of eventually making the veteran a strong No. 2 and mentor. I feel obligated to mention Tim Tebow, but the reality to me is that he is rather inconsequential in the big picture. He can't throw well enough to succeed as a pure QB in the NFL and I sure wouldn't be the one to spend the multitude of hours and snaps to develop him into even an average passer, if that is even possible. If keeping him around would be a distraction to the new rookie quarterback, the Jets should ship him out even if they get nothing in return. It's easy to say that the upcoming offseason should be solely dedicated to the offensive side of the ball. And I wouldn't totally argue with it, especially if New York was to draft a quarterback high in the draft, like Indianapolis did this offseason. But the Jets aren't without issues on defense. The biggest problem is that Gang Green lacks a pass-rusher that frightens the opposition. Instead, Rex Ryan has to dial up blitzes to get pressure. That works fine with a stacked group of cover men, but the Jets desperately need a 3-4 outside linebacker who is a consistent double-digit sack guy. It might be wise for New York to field calls for any of its high-priced veteran defensive talent when the trade deadline rolls around. Maybe a contender bites on Antonio Cromartie, Bart Scott or David Harris. Of those three, Cromartie would be one New York should be most reluctant to part with. The bottom line is that the Jets need a lot of help right now and are far from contending. Compounding matters, they need serious help at positions that are difficult to find or expensive to acquire. Even if done right, this will not happen overnight. But they could be worse off. A decent quarterback would make the lesser problems go away. That must be the Jets' priority and they must find that quarterback at all costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 it's this kind of thinking that could make this season interesting and maybe even worth watching-play the young guys-dump Greene-play Powell and McKnight and I would love to see the redheaded kid play QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Start McKnight. Start McElroy. Start Demario Davis. Pick up a WR. Trade Teblow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Great article. I agree 100%. This team needs to be blown up - but for now, play the young guys and see if we can use that $8 million in cap space to eat some signing bonuses and get any picks we can in trade for the vets on this roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 They've been rebuilding since 1969, we should have a ****ing pyramid by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Good article by Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc....He's not a homer fan with blinders (so I assume this article will be shunned).....just an unbiased view from a guy who gets paid to scout.... Yeah, because JN is home of the homers... The Jets need more athleticism on the field on both sides of the ball, and they need to figure out what they have going forward whether they're going to be rebuilding next year or not - particularly at the RB and LB positions. I'd be getting a lot of playing time to Powell, McKnight, McIntyre, Maybin, Sapp, etc. Sanchez needs Keller and Hill back ASAP. He may very well suck, but he's got absolutely no chance of showing anything with his current supporting cast. I understand the argument that Tebow might bring leadership to the table -if not passing ability- but I think even that best case scenario would only serve to muddy the waters going forward. No one in the organization sees him as a potential starter, so why start with him? Thing is, I don't want Tannenbaum overseeing the rebuild. Either the Jets he has get their sh*t together ASAP, or he needs to go. Don't see a middle ground there that produces success. I'd fire Tanny, but keep Rex and his staff, and let the new GM evaluate the entire organization for a full year before deciding how, exactly, to blow it all up in 2014 - when cap room should again become available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGDIRK Posted October 2, 2012 Author Share Posted October 2, 2012 Yeah, because JN is home of the homers... LOL - trying to keep it light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGDIRK Posted October 2, 2012 Author Share Posted October 2, 2012 Great article. I agree 100%. This team needs to be blown up - but for now, play the young guys and see if we can use that $8 million in cap space to eat some signing bonuses and get any picks we can in trade for the vets on this roster. Every young player on this roster should be playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGDIRK Posted October 2, 2012 Author Share Posted October 2, 2012 Thing is, I don't want Tannenbaum overseeing the rebuild. Either the Jets he has get their sh*t together ASAP, or he needs to go. Don't see a middle ground there that produces success. I'd fire Tanny, but keep Rex and his staff, and let the new GM evaluate the entire organization for a full year before deciding how, exactly, to blow it all up in 2014 - when cap room should again become available. If Tanny is allowed to oversee the rebuild, I give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 If Tanny is allowed to oversee the rebuild, I give up. 4 yrs of hell comin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Blow it up. Fire Tanny. Keep Rex. Trade as many players as you can for as many draft picks as possible. I've been told mid round picks win SB's. Dynasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 don't want to be standing close when they blow up this pile of manure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets62 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Could we get Bill Cowher out of the booth? A team is a reflection of the head coach. Rex has been a distraction and a clown not to mention unprofessional. This whole Ryan,Tanny, Sanchez debacle has got to go. And stop with the 2 AFC Championship games that Rex is still living off. We lost both games,cased closed. The Jets dont have to rebuild,changes at the top is needed. They need a culture change and that starts with the head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 We're in week #4. Can we wait until AFTER week 17 to decide to blow this up or not??? God Damn people are ridiculous. Calm the f#ck down. Yes, we suck. Yes, its probably going to be a painful year, but lets wait a little while longer with this blow up the jets crap. I hate the media, the pretend media, bloggers, twitterers, facebookers, pundits, rustlers, cutthroats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperadoes, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, half-wits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswagglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass kickers, sh*t kickers – and Methodists. NOW GO DO THAT VOODOO THAT YOOOO DOOOOOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Thing is, I don't want Tannenbaum overseeing the rebuild. Either the Jets he has get their sh*t together ASAP, or he needs to go. Don't see a middle ground there that produces success. I'd fire Tanny, but keep Rex and his staff, and let the new GM evaluate the entire organization for a full year before deciding how, exactly, to blow it all up in 2014 - when cap room should again become available. Here's the problem Slats - as fans we could accept it if the Jets came out and said they were "blowing it up" and just cleared out all of the bloated contracts and dead cap money. The challenge is who oversees the blowup? If they throw in the towel this year and start figuring out which young guys (do they even have any?) are worth keeping then Rex gets fired - so there is no way he goes along with this plan. Same goes for 2013. A more likely scenario is Rex grinds our 7 or 8 wins this season and they blame the poor performance on all of the injuries. 2013 becomes a "hot-seat" year for Rex/Tanny/Sanchez and then they start all over with full regime change in 2014. The only other scenario I can think of is there is a total meltdown this year and Rex loses the team so completely that Woody goes with regime change this offseason and he brings in a guy like Gruden to try to salvage Sanchez and his uncuttable contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Good article by Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc....He's not a homer fan with blinders (so I assume this article will be shunned).....just an unbiased view from a guy who gets paid to scout.... LOL yeah he's not a homer, but he's also NOT objective or unbiased as you say. He hated on the Jets in 09 and 10, too. Now he pats himself on the back for finally being right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 We're in week #4. Can we wait until AFTER week 17 to decide to blow this up or not??? God Damn people are ridiculous. Calm the f#ck down. Yes, we suck. Yes, its probably going to be a painful year, but lets wait a little while longer with this blow up the jets crap. 10-10 in our last 20 games!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND? .500 teams routinely get blown up!!!!!!!!! I SWEAR! SKY IS FALLING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 This team has alooooooooooot of young players. Even the non-FA veterans - Revis, Mangold, D'Brick, Harris, Keller - are prime aged rather than old. Hell, throw in the two trade guys Holmes and Cromartie, both prime aged rather than grizzled Damien Woody aged vets. Really, these guys just need to get their act together. To be 2-2 with losses to garbage like the Steelers and 49ers through four is absolutely ridiculous...f'n embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Yeah, because JN is home of the homers... The Jets need more athleticism on the field on both sides of the ball, and they need to figure out what they have going forward whether they're going to be rebuilding next year or not - particularly at the RB and LB positions. I'd be getting a lot of playing time to Powell, McKnight, McIntyre, Maybin, Sapp, etc. Sanchez needs Keller and Hill back ASAP. He may very well suck, but he's got absolutely no chance of showing anything with his current supporting cast. I understand the argument that Tebow might bring leadership to the table -if not passing ability- but I think even that best case scenario would only serve to muddy the waters going forward. No one in the organization sees him as a potential starter, so why start with him? Thing is, I don't want Tannenbaum overseeing the rebuild. Either the Jets he has get their sh*t together ASAP, or he needs to go. Don't see a middle ground there that produces success. I'd fire Tanny, but keep Rex and his staff, and let the new GM evaluate the entire organization for a full year before deciding how, exactly, to blow it all up in 2014 - when cap room should again become available. Ummm The New GM should bring in His HC, if he thinks it is the Grand Pooba so be it, i think rexey is toast myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraVerde Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 People need to chill the f out and let these guys play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 People need to chill the f out and let these guys play. Yet another poster driven insane by this team's humiliating play to start the season. You realize you are asking the world? that the next 12 opponents can pretty much pencil in a W for themselves? That you dishonor your family by saying things like "let these guys play?" IT'S BEEN FOUR GAMES OF PLAY! What are we waiting for here? If they can't beat the Steelers or 49ers, AND can only rack up a not loss to the Dolphins, who do you expect to beat? This is one of the worst collections of talents ever assembled on an NFL field, I am talking HISTORICALLY bad here. Next time you try and pull this sh*t I won't be so nice. There will be a condescending picture of some kind, possibly animated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 First we need to do post mortem, OK go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 remember that time in 2010 when we got worked by the patriots, 45-3? so glad we gave up and threw in the towel that year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 . Keep Rex. Nope. Not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Matt Williamson should be the Jets next GM. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Blow it up. Fire Tanny. Keep Rex. Trade as many players as you can for as many draft picks as possible. I've been told mid round picks win SB's. Dynasty. I think if you hire a new GM-he has to pick the coach he wants. He may want Rex, but he should have the choice. Otherwise, Woody is guiding the organization. Heaven knows, Rex can coach, but he cannot be the guiding light of an entire organization Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Who the coach is doesn't really matter in the rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Blow it up. Fire Tanny. Keep Rex. Trade as many players as you can for as many draft picks as possible. I've been told mid round picks win SB's. Dynasty. I admire your ability to look past Rex's excuse making and blatant disregard for doing his job well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 JiF might have a point on these mid round picks. Hard to win a SB with so few on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Nope. Not at all. Yes. Yes it all. I think if you hire a new GM-he has to pick the coach he wants. He may want Rex, but he should have the choice. Otherwise, Woody is guiding the organization. Heaven knows, Rex can coach, but he cannot be the guiding light of an entire organization Of course he does, I'm just recommending the new GM keeps Rex around. Rex is a damn good Football coach. I admire your ability to look past Rex's excuse making and blatant disregard for doing his job well. Never had a losing record with the worst starting QB in the NFL and roster full of sh*t. I'd say he does more with less than anyone else in the league. JiF might have a point on these mid round picks. Hard to win a SB with so few on the roster. Mid round picks!!! FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Yes. Yes it all. Of course he does, I'm just recommending the new GM keeps Rex around. Rex is a damn good Football coach. Never had a losing record with the worst starting QB in the NFL and roster full of sh*t. I'd say he does more with less than anyone else in the league. Mid round picks!!! FTW. Rex is a mascot. He is designed to help pump up mid-level fans into buying PSLs. After that, there does not seem to be much substance as to sustainable football acumen. This team has been in steady decline. That falls on the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Never had a losing record with the worst starting QB in the NFL and roster full of sh*t. I'd say he does more with less than anyone else in the league. Jets have more former first rounders on their current roster than any other team don't they? sh*t? I dunno about that... I think this team has plenty of talented guys on it, the way they are managed is a problem and their lack of balls is a problem. Either way, if we had a shot at getting a real football guy in here as GM - and the price was losing Rex, I'd be okay with that based on the assumption a football-oriented GM isn't going to miss on his HC hire. I honestly don't want to see this team dive into another 3-4 year build and crash like they've done with Herm, Mangini and now Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Rex is a mascot. He is designed to help pump up mid-level fans into buying PSLs. After that, there does not seem to be much substance as to sustainable football acumen. This team has been in steady decline. That falls on the coach. Nobody in football more over-rated than the Ryan Brothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Is a "real football guy" at GM like the real baseball guys at GM from last decade? Or are they even MORE endowed with special knowledge that can only be attained through playing The Game? Accidental rep handed out since you can't select a portion of a post without quoting the whole thing on a phone at random moments in time. ANYWAY...how do you not want a 3-4 year rebuild but call for a rebuild? OH NFL fans...scary breed of sport fan....over reactionary muhfckas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Rex is a mascot. He is designed to help pump up mid-level fans into buying PSLs. After that, there does not seem to be much substance as to sustainable football acumen. This team has been in steady decline. That falls on the coach. It falls on the personnel department. The talent level has gotten worse every year he's been here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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