Fin Fan In Cali Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Hey do you guys go after Pete Carroll, or perhaps Charle Weis out of Notre Dame? If you had your pick who would you go after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Pete Carroll has already proved to be an unsuccessful NFL coach. And for the Jets, no less. As for Weis, I would love to have him, but it ain't happening. He'll be in South Bend for the next ten years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Fan In Cali Posted December 14, 2005 Author Share Posted December 14, 2005 Smizzy, I agree with what you said earlier, that you guys need a harder coach, who will hold your players more accountable, and bring the discipline. If you guys do make a change keep in mind the Capers will be gone in Texas, and Mularky could be gone in Buffalo, so you might want to make your move sooner then later once the season is over. I like Herm, but I don't think he is head coach material but more of the lines of Coordinator. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Fan In Cali Posted December 14, 2005 Author Share Posted December 14, 2005 Pete Carroll has already proved to be an unsuccessful NFL coach. And for the Jets, no less. As for Weis, I would love to have him, but it ain't happening. He'll be in South Bend for the next ten years. I thought that too, but he USC turned around, and losing Chow, he keep on running. I know he had Reggie Bush though. I just wanted to see if Jet fans would give him another chance, since he developed, and matured more as a coach, and may have a better approach to the game this time around. I know how the New Yorkers are on local sports. I was born in Mount Vernon, NY, and lived there for 12 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celtkin Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I think that Weis may be available sooner than you think (just a guess). My guess is 3 years on the outside. Is there a fan favorite if the Jets have a coaching vacancy in '06? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Smizzy, I agree with what you said earlier, that you guys need a harder coach, who will hold your players more accountable, and bring the discipline. If you guys do make a change keep in mind the Capers will be gone in Texas, and Mularky could be gone in Buffalo, so you might want to make your move sooner then later once the season is over. I like Herm, but I don't think he is head coach material but more of the lines of Coordinator. Good luck. Sooner would be better but we never move fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Smizzy, I agree with what you said earlier, that you guys need a harder coach, who will hold your players more accountable, and bring the discipline. If you guys do make a change keep in mind the Capers will be gone in Texas, and Mularky could be gone in Buffalo, so you might want to make your move sooner then later once the season is over. I like Herm, but I don't think he is head coach material but more of the lines of Coordinator. Good luck. Why would Herm make a good coordinator? Because he likes starting his injured/slumping buddies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Fan In Cali Posted December 14, 2005 Author Share Posted December 14, 2005 Why would Herm make a good coordinator? Because he likes starting his injured/slumping buddies?I just think it would be a lot less pressure on him then he has now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I just think it would be a lot less pressure on him then he has now. There can't be less in-game pressure on a coach than doing nothing (other than the pressure of "What am I going to say at the press conference if we lose?"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 It really does not matter what anyone wishes...Hermie and his free pass are toting the line in 2006. Weis would be great especially since he is a NJ guy but that is merely a pipe dream. No thanks with Carroll been there done that. I would like a Jim Mora Jr type of coach... young, feisty and aggressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Herm. Thanks. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Herm. Thanks. BZ ya good idea,, maybe he can get aquire a team of all old vets who have injury factors in the 45% range and play them over healthy young players,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 ya good idea,, maybe he can get aquire a team of all old vets who have injury factors in the 45% range and play them over healthy young players,,, Maybe he can get us to the playoffs for the 4th time in 6 years and still be called a crap coach by a bunch of pessamistic blow hards who think they next great Super Bowl team is just sitting on the bench waiting to be played. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Maybe he can get us to the playoffs for the 4th time in 6 years and still be called a crap coach by a bunch of pessamistic blow hards who think they next great Super Bowl team is just sitting on the bench waiting to be played. BZ we had teams deserving of home fields and better seedings,, he undercoached those teams and left wins on the table by poor clock management. we also struggled into last week to get in thereby not resting dinged players to get ready for playoffs. and he has consistently shown he cant rip a player over poor play or BENCH a VET due to diminished play or INJURY. "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 we had teams deserving of home fields and better seedings,, he undercoached those teams and left wins on the table by poor clock management. we also struggled into last week to get in thereby not resting dinged players to get ready for playoffs. and he has consistently shown he cant rip a player over poor play or BENCH a VET due to diminished play or INJURY. "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" Opinion: Teams deserving home field and better seedings Opinion: Undercoaching teams Opinion: Leaving wins on the table Opinion: Benching vets means winning game Opinion: Coaches need to "rip" players to get them to perform. Fact: Herm Edwards took a 9-7 Groh team and got them into the playoffs 3/5 years. Fact: Bill "God" Parcells has only taken Dallas 1 of 3 years (the first). Fact: Jets have only made the playoffs 12 times since 1968, 25% of those under Herm Facts: (stolen from Pac2566 on JI): 2001-2004 - 8 teams have not made the playoffs at all - 9 teams have had 1 playoff appearance - 8 teams have had 2 playoff appearances - 5 teams 3 playoff appearances - 2.. that's right only 2 teams made it all 4 years In this time span Herm has gotten to the playoffs more than: Mike Holmgren Brian Billick Jeff Fisher Mike Shanahan Fact: Herm got the Jets into the Playoffs during a time when the Pats, in the AFC East, were winning 3 out of 4 Super Bowls. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Opinion: Teams deserving home field and better seedings Opinion: Undercoaching teams Opinion: Leaving wins on the table Opinion: Benching vets means winning game Opinion: Coaches need to "rip" players to get them to perform. Fact: Herm Edwards took a 9-7 Groh team and got them into the playoffs 3/5 years. Fact: Bill "God" Parcells has only taken Dallas 1 of 3 years (the first). Fact: Jets have only made the playoffs 12 times since 1968, 25% of those under Herm Facts: (stolen from Pac2566 on JI): Fact: Herm got the Jets into the Playoffs during a time when the Pats, in the AFC East, were winning 3 out of 4 Super Bowls. BZ FACT: Herm STILL cant manage a clock. Imagine what the Jets could do if they had a coach who could manage a clock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 FACT: Herm STILL cant manage a clock. Imagine what the Jets could do if they had a coach who could manage a clock That is it? That is all you have besides your boat load of opinions? I agree. Herm has had problems with the clock. In 2004 he brought in someone to help and in 2005 he handed it over to the Dinger. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 BZ OPINION: it's just as easy to make the playoffs in years one & two of a rebuilding process as it is to do so with a playoff team handed to you already. BZ OPINION: (apparently): Herm is a better coach than Parcells It would then stand to reason that Barry Switzer is someone you'd gladly replace Herm with, right? Playoffs 3 out of 4 years and a superbowl ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 BZ OPINION: it's just as easy to make the playoffs in years one & two of a rebuilding process as it is to do so with a playoff team handed to you already. If it was so easy to make the playoffs witht the "playoff team" why didn't Groh do it? Actually, if it was a playoff team, why didn't Parcells go in his 8-8 season? BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 If it was so easy to make the playoffs witht the "playoff team" why didn't Groh do it? Actually, if it was a playoff team, why didn't Parcells go in his 8-8 season? BZ C'mon brother, I know you didn't start watching the Jets in 2001. Groh was terrible as an NFL HC. Even still, the only difference between his 9-7 (missed playoffs) and Herm's 10-6 (made playoffs) from 2000-2001 is Hall missing a chip-shot vs Detroit in '00 and Hall making a 53-yarder vs Oakland in '01. Herm's next season we got in with that same 9-7 record. I wouldn't use the '99 season as any part of your argument. So Herm inherited a team good enough to go 8-8, with their first-place schedule, after losing Vinny in the opener, and won 8 games with a practice-squad WR at QB. THAT is how strong the rest of the team was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 C'mon brother, I know you didn't start watching the Jets in 2001. Groh was terrible as an NFL HC. Even still, the only difference between his 9-7 (missed playoffs) and Herm's 10-6 (made playoffs) from 2000-2001 is Hall missing a chip-shot vs Detroit in '00 and Hall making a 53-yarder vs Oakland in '01. Herm's next season we got in with that same 9-7 record. I wouldn't use the '99 season as any part of your argument. So Herm inherited a team good enough to go 8-8, with their first-place schedule, after losing Vinny in the opener, and won 8 games with a practice-squad WR at QB. THAT is how strong the rest of the team was. So it was a playoff "ready" team that went 8-8, but next year couldn't get to the playoffs at 9-7 but Herm got them to the playoffs the next year. And that has to do with a guy who left two years before? Riiiiiiight. Parcells is in Dallas for 3 years and got the playoffs once. I certainly wouldn't want to be the guy who takes over in Dallas as no matter what you do it will be Bills "Playoff Ready" team. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 C'mon brother, I know you didn't start watching the Jets in 2001. Groh was terrible as an NFL HC. Even still, the only difference between his 9-7 (missed playoffs) and Herm's 10-6 (made playoffs) from 2000-2001 is Hall missing a chip-shot vs Detroit in '00 and Hall making a 53-yarder vs Oakland in '01. Herm's next season we got in with that same 9-7 record. I wouldn't use the '99 season as any part of your argument. So Herm inherited a team good enough to go 8-8, with their first-place schedule, after losing Vinny in the opener, and won 8 games with a practice-squad WR at QB. THAT is how strong the rest of the team was. I really hate those analogies that state "if only a fg didn't happen", thgen the story would be much different. If the Patriots missed 2 FG's, then they are not the dynast they have been the last 4 years. THEY DID MAKE THEM though, and that is football. It is lke the 3-13 team that says they were 12 points away from being 8-8. Yeah, right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I really hate those analogies that state "if only a fg didn't happen", thgen the story would be much different. If the Patriots missed 2 FG's, then they are not the dynast they have been the last 4 years. THEY DID MAKE THEM though, and that is football. It is lke the 3-13 team that says they were 12 points away from being 8-8. Yeah, right. agree, u cant do that , u r what u r,,, just like u cant use injuries as excuses either,,, u r what u r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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