T0mShane Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I gotta tell ya. These pro-Sanchez arguments haven't swayed me one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaJetsFan Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 This is wierd - everytime I read the title of this thread, I start hearing it in my head playing to the tune of the Drew Carey Show theme song - "Cleveland Rocks." Coincidence? I think not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsouth Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Actually, this guy details the four levels of suckage through the inverse method of describing the "four levels of competency" .. of course, he has super powers, so no wonder.. . http://www.heroicdestiny.com/do-you-know-the-4-levels-of-competency/501 I'd say Mark is somewhere between level 2 and 3, maybe.. with some sort of invisible barrier preventing him from taking the next step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 46 pages and counting.... Can this beat the Wes Welker thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 He was a good QB college prospect who with right coaching and proper development couldve been a good QB by this time and if in the future he gets good coaching he may in fact turn into a good QB like Gannon did later in his career. The latter part I'll agree with; he could end up OK near the end of his career. The early part I have a problem with. Just because a guy looks good throwing to wide open to receivers doesn't mean he's a really good QB prospect. USC QB's suck in the pros (with the possible exception of Palmer) because they have teams that are grossly more talented than the rest of FBS and look better than they are. Sanchez took advantage of a weak QB class and landed top 5 money. Doesn't make him some really good prospect that we ruined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 "we need changes!" "we have no continuity!" The only "changes" that the team needs is a healthy starting lineup. Holmes, Hill, Kerly, and Keller were only on the field together for 13 snaps - all in the Buffalo game. Last week Mark finally had Hill and Keller back and played a solid, albeit unspectacular game. You choose to think it's some coincidence he plays better with his starting options.. I choose to look at the reality of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I gotta tell ya. These pro-Sanchez arguments haven't swayed me one bit. the arguments aren't for you.. your soul is lost. it's for the impressionable teenagers who may be visiting the site for the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Agreed, it's not for lack of trying or injury... he's a bust because he lacks most of the qualities required to be a good NFL QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 The only "changes" that the team needs is a healthy starting lineup. Holmes, Hill, Kerly, and Keller were only on the field together for 13 snaps - all in the Buffalo game. Last week Mark finally had Hill and Keller back and played a solid, albeit unspectacular game. You choose to think it's some coincidence he plays better with his starting options.. I choose to look at the reality of the situation. Coincidence? No. Largely related to the quality of opponent? Yup. If it were just about injuries, how do you explain away the years of ineptitude beforethis one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Coincidence? No. Largely related to the quality of opponent? Yup. If it were just about injuries, how do you explain away the years of ineptitude beforethis one? growing pains. but I'm not as aghast at the 8-8 debacle of last year as many of you, and 11-5 and 9-7 don't necessarily qualify as inept in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 He was a good QB college prospect He started 16 games at USC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 He started 16 games at USC. 14-2. You are what your record says, brah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 the arguments aren't for you.. your soul is lost. it's for the impressionable teenagers who may be visiting the site for the first time. BREAKING: Pac admits target audience "impressionable teens." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 He started 16 games at USC. Yeah, but he beat a rape charge, too. That's gotta count for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 BREAKING: Pac admits target audience "impressionable teens." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Yeah, but he beat a rape charge target audience "impressionable teens." We could do this all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 We could do this all day. lolol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 BREAKING: Pac admits target audience "impressionable teens." like yours isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I want to use the 4 levels of (in)competence to the Yankees. But since it is JETS forums....hey Sanchez sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 He started 16 games at USC. So what? Teams viewed him as a good QB prospect and 1st round talent. We can hate on him all we want, but let's not be revisionists here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 The latter part I'll agree with; he could end up OK near the end of his career. The early part I have a problem with. Just because a guy looks good throwing to wide open to receivers doesn't mean he's a really good QB prospect. USC QB's suck in the pros (with the possible exception of Palmer) because they have teams that are grossly more talented than the rest of FBS and look better than they are. Sanchez took advantage of a weak QB class and landed top 5 money. Doesn't make him some really good prospect that we ruined. As I mentioned to DB, I'm talking about how teams viewed him. Paid professionals who scout college players. They all gave him a 1st round grade. He was viewed as a good QB prospect and 1st round talent. We can hate on him and USC QBs all we want, but those are the facts. The professionals thought highly enough of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 So what? Teams viewed him as a good QB prospect and 1st round talent. We can hate on him all we want, but let's not be revisionists here. Teams are stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Teams are stupid. LOL. That can certainly be true, but they get paid for their stupidity. They thought highly enough of him. It wasn't like there was an avalanche of negative scouting reports about him and Tanny/Brady/Clinkscale said, "screw that, we know better than everyone else!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 growing pains. but I'm not as aghast at the 8-8 debacle of last year as many of you, and 11-5 and 9-7 don't necessarily qualify as inept in my book. Schotty had the same record over that time. You must have been equally opposed to his dismal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatius del Sol Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 As I mentioned to DB, I'm talking about how teams viewed him. Paid professionals who scout college players. They all gave him a 1st round grade. He was viewed as a good QB prospect and 1st round talent. We can hate on him and USC QBs all we want, but those are the facts. The professionals thought highly enough of him. Facts, plural? I'm struggling to find one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Facts, plural? I'm struggling to find one. Struggling how? The fact is that teams rated Sanchez highly enough to give him a first round grade. People want to ignore history now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 20, 2012 Author Share Posted October 20, 2012 Struggling how? The fact is that teams rated Sanchez highly enough to give him a first round grade. People want to ignore history now? Following his junior year Brohm was the #1 prospect in the United States and Sanchez certainly wasn't higher than Brohm was after their respective junior years. Had Sanchez returned for his senior season, like Brohm, for all we know he would have been a marginal 2nd round prospect (or worse), instead of the extra year experience that would have allegedly made him better during his rookie NFL season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFtoLong Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Following his junior year Brohm was the #1 prospect in the United States and Sanchez certainly wasn't higher than Brohm was after their respective junior years. Had Sanchez returned for his senior season, like Brohm, for all we know he would have been a marginal 2nd round prospect (or worse), instead of the extra year experience that would have allegedly made him better during his rookie NFL season. We all know this? How do we know this? What are you basing this opinion on oh wise one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 20, 2012 Author Share Posted October 20, 2012 We all know this? How do we know this? What are you basing this opinion on oh wise one? Immediately following their junior seasons, Brohm was the #1 prospect in the country. Sanchez wasn't even top-15 (let alone #1 or even top-5) until well into April of 2009. Plenty of players' stocks drop during their senior seasons. From what I've seen of Sanchez he seems to have stood a good chance of being one of them. I'll give him credit for having had enough sense to come out when his stock was highest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFtoLong Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Immediately following their junior seasons, Brohm was the #1 prospect in the country. Sanchez wasn't even top-15 (let alone #1 or even top-5) until well into April of 2009. Plenty of players' stocks drop during their senior seasons. From what I've seen of Sanchez he seems to have stood a good chance of being one of them. I'll give him credit for having had enough sense to come out when his stock was highest. Translation: I am throwing stupid crap out of my ass hoping I won't get called on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Its the way he laughs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Translation: I am throwing stupid crap out of my ass hoping I won't get called on it. sad part is you dont respond to the many people that make points that destroy your argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 20, 2012 Author Share Posted October 20, 2012 Translation: I am throwing stupid crap out of my ass hoping I won't get called on it. I know you are, but what am I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sperm Edwards Posted October 20, 2012 Author Share Posted October 20, 2012 Hey it's the guy who said Hey it's Enrico Palazzo!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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