JohnnyHector Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Take a look in Detroit, where Matthew Stafford, who like Sanchez was drafted in 2009, has played on teams with defenses ranked 32nd, 19th, and 13th in DVOA in his first three years. Take a look in Tampa Bay, where Josh Freeman, who was also drafted in 2009, has played on teams with defenses ranked 18th, 23rd, and 31st in DVOA. Take a look in St. Louis, where Sam Bradford, who was drafted a year after Sanchez, has played with a Rams defense that ranked 18th and 15th in DVOA in his first two seasons Sanchez has had the benefit of playing with the 1st, 4th, and 2nd ranked defenses in DVOA in his first 3 years in the league. No wonder he cares more about wins than stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 What exactly is this supposed to prove? Freeman sucks ass too, I don't think anyone has ever said otherwise. As for Stafford, outside of the fact that he's vastly overrated (although still much better than Sanchez), the guy was drafted to a winless team and their record has improved every year he's been there. On the flip side, you have a Jets' team who peaked with 11 wins in his second year (with one of the league's top defenses and running games) and since then was 8-8 last year and under .500 this year. Not to mention, trying to simply judge a QB's performance solely based on his teams' record is idiotic. All it really says is that over the past 4 years the Jets, as a team, have won more games than the freakin' Bucs and Lions, hardly the greatest of benchmarks for success. It still doesn't make Sanchez any better of a QB. Are we supposed to believe that Alex Smith was tied for second best QB in the league with Tom Brady and Drew Brees last year, behind only Aaron Rodgers? Because that's the kind of logic trying to be applied here. Beyond that, the rest of the article is his teammates talking positively about him, which doesn't exactly say much. Every sh*tty QB gets praised by his teammates, that's the way the NFL works, outside of a few douchey players. Just listen to all of the crap we heard about the Jets' sh*tty backup when he was in Denver last year. It didn't stop Denver from booting his ass out the door as soon as the opportunity arose. 4. Road. Playoff. Wins. Bra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Take a look in Detroit, where Matthew Stafford, who like Sanchez was drafted in 2009, has played on teams with defenses ranked 32nd, 19th, and 13th in DVOA in his first three years. Take a look in Tampa Bay, where Josh Freeman, who was also drafted in 2009, has played on teams with defenses ranked 18th, 23rd, and 31st in DVOA. Take a look in St. Louis, where Sam Bradford, who was drafted a year after Sanchez, has played with a Rams defense that ranked 18th and 15th in DVOA in his first two seasons Sanchez has had the benefit of playing with the 1st, 4th, and 2nd ranked defenses in DVOA in his first 3 years in the league. No wonder he cares more about wins than stats. BOOM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Take a look in Detroit, where Matthew Stafford, who like Sanchez was drafted in 2009, has played on teams with defenses ranked 32nd, 19th, and 13th in DVOA in his first three years. Take a look in Tampa Bay, where Josh Freeman, who was also drafted in 2009, has played on teams with defenses ranked 18th, 23rd, and 31st in DVOA. Take a look in St. Louis, where Sam Bradford, who was drafted a year after Sanchez, has played with a Rams defense that ranked 18th and 15th in DVOA in his first two seasons Sanchez has had the benefit of playing with the 1st, 4th, and 2nd ranked defenses in DVOA in his first 3 years in the league. No wonder he cares more about wins than stats. Yeah? What's the DVOA for his offensive weapons? Or Matt Cavanaugh? Or the playcalling? Riddle me that, nerd boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Wait... I thought Cannizzaro was a idiot/dumbass/moron/dick/hater/etc? Who said that? I only refer to people like the Ape, Hess, CTM, JiF etc as a dick or dumbass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Take a look in Detroit, where Matthew Stafford, who like Sanchez was drafted in 2009, has played on teams with defenses ranked 32nd, 19th, and 13th in DVOA in his first three years. Take a look in Tampa Bay, where Josh Freeman, who was also drafted in 2009, has played on teams with defenses ranked 18th, 23rd, and 31st in DVOA. Take a look in St. Louis, where Sam Bradford, who was drafted a year after Sanchez, has played with a Rams defense that ranked 18th and 15th in DVOA in his first two seasons Sanchez has had the benefit of playing with the 1st, 4th, and 2nd ranked defenses in DVOA in his first 3 years in the league. No wonder he cares more about wins than stats. Ewww, I feel like dancing on Pacnerd's face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 BOOM. boom? hate to break it to you but outside of 7 people on this site no one gives a rats ass about DVOA. Wins and losses broheimski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Ewww, I feel like dancing on Pacnerd's face. Nothing more sad than a man who thinks he's won but has really lost. Keep your chin up sport-o. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Take a look in Detroit, where Matthew Stafford, who like Sanchez was drafted in 2009, has played on teams with defenses ranked 32nd, 19th, and 13th in DVOA in his first three years. Take a look in Tampa Bay, where Josh Freeman, who was also drafted in 2009, has played on teams with defenses ranked 18th, 23rd, and 31st in DVOA. Take a look in St. Louis, where Sam Bradford, who was drafted a year after Sanchez, has played with a Rams defense that ranked 18th and 15th in DVOA in his first two seasons Sanchez has had the benefit of playing with the 1st, 4th, and 2nd ranked defenses in DVOA in his first 3 years in the league. No wonder he cares more about wins than stats. Our D has been that good based on your nerd stats? Quick, better get rid of our coach and GM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 boom? hate to break it to you but outside of 7 people on this site no one gives a rats ass about DVOA. Wins and losses broheimski. So Sanchez's victories are all that matter? Even when Sanchez supporters blame our losses on everything BUT Sanchez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Our D has been that good based on your nerd stats? Quick, better get rid of our coach and GM! Our offense ranks are 22, 16, and 21, with passing ranks of 28, 19, and 20, respectively. DEAR TRADER MIKE: MOAR EXTENSIONS PLZ. LUV, DBATESMAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Nothing more sad than a man who thinks he's won but has really lost. Keep your chin up sport-o. You almost had me. The ilk...They're so...powerful. Help me Pac!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Our D has been that good based on your nerd stats? Quick, better get rid of our coach and GM! Not my nerd stats, but the conventional stats back up most of it anyway. The 2009 pass defense was one of the best of the last 25 years. They gave up the least passing yards and TD's and were tops in net yards/attempt against. As a unit, they also yielded the least points, yards, and 1st downs of any team in the league. In 2010, they gave up the 3rd least yards, ranked 6th in total points against, 4th in passing net yards/attempt and 3rd in yards per carry. Last year is the one in which the conventional numbers don't appear to support a #2 ranking at a glance, considering they ranked 20th in points against. The fact that they finished 2nd and 6th in yards and point per drive respectively shows that they were other factors (opponent starting field position, number of possessions against, turnovers by the offense) that led to the high number of points against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 So Sanchez's victories are all that matter? Even when Sanchez supporters blame our losses on everything BUT Sanchez? Don't you know how it works? Jets win: A QB is all about wins, therefore his team winning proves the QB, and not one other player on the team, is awesome. Jets lose: You can't blame a loss on the QB, therefore it proves that everyone else on the team except for the QB, sucks. Therefore, seeing as how they do not lose every game, the QB is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 help me Pac...help me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 help me Pac...help me. First one was legitimately creepy.. 2 and 3 a little silly.. 4 should be the worst of the lot despite making bank like they did on opening weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Who said that? I only refer to people like the Ape, Hess, CTM, JiF etc as a dick or dumbass. the masses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 What exactly is this supposed to prove? Freeman sucks ass too, I don't think anyone has ever said otherwise. As for Stafford, outside of the fact that he's vastly overrated (although still much better than Sanchez), the guy was drafted to a winless team and their record has improved every year he's been there. On the flip side, you have a Jets' team who peaked with 11 wins in his second year (with one of the league's top defenses and running games) and since then was 8-8 last year and under .500 this year. Not to mention, trying to simply judge a QB's performance solely based on his teams' record is idiotic. All it really says is that over the past 4 years the Jets, as a team, have won more games than the freakin' Bucs and Lions, hardly the greatest of benchmarks for success. It still doesn't make Sanchez any better of a QB. Are we supposed to believe that Alex Smith was tied for second best QB in the league with Tom Brady and Drew Brees last year, behind only Aaron Rodgers? Because that's the kind of logic trying to be applied here. Beyond that, the rest of the article is his teammates talking positively about him, which doesn't exactly say much. Every sh*tty QB gets praised by his teammates, that's the way the NFL works, outside of a few douchey players. Just listen to all of the crap we heard about the Jets' sh*tty backup when he was in Denver last year. It didn't stop Denver from booting his ass out the door as soon as the opportunity arose. Yup. It's absurd to ignore that Stafford was #1 and drafted by a win-less team and Sanchez was traded up for by a team that was an injured QB away from being a legit contender in the playoffs. The idea that only Sanchez and not the others could succeed with his surroundings is implied, and absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Don't you know how it works? Jets win: A QB is all about wins, therefore his team winning proves the QB, and not one other player on the team, is awesome. Jets lose: You can't blame a loss on the QB, therefore it proves that everyone else on the team except for the QB, sucks. Therefore, seeing as how they do not lose every game, the QB is awesome. Would you prefer "According to your stats, nerd"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 boom? hate to break it to you but outside of 7 people on this site no one gives a rats ass about DVOA. Wins and losses broheimski. I don't care about quantum mechanics. I can't understand it. That doesn't make it any less valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Put Stafford or Bradford (and possibly even Freeman) in Sanchez's situation and we'd be better than 3-4, that's for damn sure. All 3 of those guys walked into terrible franchises. Sanchez walked into one that went 9-7 the year before he arrived and provided him with the # 1 running game and defense his first year. Bradford doesn't count now because he has Schitty so his career is shot. As for Stafford, he has Megatron compared to The Cancer. Megatron. The Cancer. The Cancer. Megatron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 the masses. I thought you prefer ilk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 boom? hate to break it to you but outside of 7 people on this site no one gives a rats ass about DVOA. Wins and losses broheimski. So Sanchez's victories are all that matter? Even when Sanchez supporters blame our losses on everything BUT Sanchez? So, if it's all about wins and losses, Sanchez sucked last week, you'd have to admit, right Pac? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Vincent Jackson is an asset for Tampa this year so Freeman should improve. Bradford might be a lost cause under the circumstances. Sanchez still sucks though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Bradford doesn't count now because he has Schitty so his career is shot. As for Stafford, he has Megatron compared to The Cancer. Megatron. The Cancer. The Cancer. Megatron. I don't care who Stafford has, he passes the eye test AND numbers test far better than Sanchez does. Maybe if he had ended up in green & white he wouldn't have missed so many games due to injury that his sh*t o-line has helped cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 So, if it's all about wins and losses, Sanchez sucked last week, you'd have to admit, right Pac? 328 passing yards bro. 328! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 So, if it's all about wins and losses, Sanchez sucked last week, you'd have to admit, right Pac? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Bradford doesn't count now because he has Schitty so his career is shot. As for Stafford, he has Megatron compared to The Cancer. Megatron. The Cancer. The Cancer. Megatron. Yes. And Stafford runs the NFL's 4th ranked offense and Sanchez runs the NFL's 29th. QB's play offense, not both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Would you prefer "According to your stats, nerd"? Your words are hurtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I don't care who Stafford has, he passes the eye test AND numbers test far better than Sanchez does. Maybe if he had ended up in green & white he wouldn't have missed so many games due to injury that his sh*t o-line has helped cause. Except for the fact that he's made out of papier-mache, Stafford is clearly better than Sanchez. But a lot of his mistakes get covered up by Megatron. The Cancer is evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Yes. And Stafford runs the NFL's 4th ranked offense and Sanchez runs the NFL's 29th. QB's play offense, not both ways. See above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 See above. I'll admit, Megatron is one of those rare breeds of WR's who make his QB significantly better. Jerry Rice, Randy Moss and perhaps Fitz fall into that category along with him. That being said, anyone who wouldn't take Stafford over Sanchez in a f***ing heartbeat is delusional. Remove Megatron and Stafford probably falls from perhaps a top-12 QB to a top-18 QB. Still better than Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Except for the fact that he's made out of papier-mache, Stafford is clearly better than Sanchez. But a lot of his mistakes get covered up by Megatron. The Cancer is evil. I do agree with this, as like I said before, I think Stafford is definitely a bit overrated (I feel like every time I watched a Lions game last year, he was getting praised for at least one really awful throw that CJ or Pettigrew was bailing him out on), but he's still leaps and bounds better than Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 See above. Megatron is worth 25 spots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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