lancemehl Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Wow...Imagine it was Schottenheimer who was billed as the Godfather of the Wildcat and yet in seven games Tebow hasn't run for more than two yards on a given play (maybe once)?? Schottenheimer's wildcats looked more creative than this dude's. Are you kidding? Where are the calls for Soprano's head? We just watched Mark Sanchez put together the best drive of his life. He's been throwing the ball like Johnny Untias all quarter. We just marched 90+ yards to go in for a TD and would've had another one had Hill not dropped the ball. Now here we are on the 18 yard line, poised to ice the game..........and here comes TIM TEBOW!!?? Tim ****ing Tebow?? Get the **** out of here! We went from the best red zone offense last year to the worst. What if Schottenheimer had to settle for three after having a 2nd and 4 from their 5?? A slant to Schillens?? hahaha I just don't get it. Not one Soprano post? This guy has been a mega-failure so far. At least with Schotty there was SOME good. Red zone for one. He looks like a genius next to this guy. AND of course, this goes right back to the FO! Another collossal blunder. Seriously, just play GM for a minute, instead of resumes just use wikipedia or something. They hired Sparano, what a week?, after firing Schotty? haha Based on what? Based on f----king what??? Even if they hired someone like Norv Turner that quickly, i would say they were too quick to act......and Norv Turner has an extensive body of work as OC in the NFL. Prior to this, Sparano called plays in the NFL ONCE...........Once. (<Joe Piscopo in "Johnny Dangerously"). They were 9-7 whoopee. He was a failure in Miami that's why he was fired in a disgraceful manner. The Miami Dolphins offense was on poster for anemic offenses while he was there......and we snatched him up like he was Phil Jackson. Please, guys. Again I am slow to comprehend and I need your help. Please explain this to me, because such questions are very disturbing for a fanatic like myself. I wish I didn't have to carry this cross through life, but I've been cursed so I'm just trying to make sense of it the best I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 It's not his fault, sanchez sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I just don't get it. Not one Soprano post? This guy has been a mega-failure so far. coaches coach, players play. this idea that the offense is being held back by the OC was relevant when Hackett was in charge. Since then the OC's have been competant, nothing special but basically all NFL offenses are the same and the differences are the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 The Jets are actually throwing the ball DOWN THE FIELD! So as bad as Sparano might be, he's already better than Schotty. Other teams had figured out what Schotty was doing by the 2nd quarter. Sparano doesn't even know what Sparano is doing...... BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Maybe the rest of us just know better than to trash talk a known gangster like Tony Soprano. You keep running your mouth like that you'll end up sleeping with the fishes. As far as that Jets OC guy though, he's been getting trashed plenty around here and besides, he's been around for 7 games, Schitty was around for 6 years, so I think there's just a slight difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno the Jet Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 GROUNDZ AND POUNDZ ROOT TREE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 He has taken the heat with playcalling He has not been immune. My big gripe so far is the use of Tebow- all in the wrong situations and I would make him throw the ball off a play fake instead of running every single time we use him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Tebow running wide with an option trailer was very effective with the Broncos because often he would be 1 on 1 with an LB or safety moving laterally to beat, and he could with a head of steam run them over or get away from them . Tebow running right up the middle at the biggest DL guys up the gut is a total waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kay_gee Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Aside from incorrectly using Tebow and certain play calling in some situations, Sparano is doing an okay job. It's only been 7 games. I'd give him a B- so far. The offense is short on talent but Kerley's emerging as a force and they're putting it together. I think they're way ahead of where they were in Weeks 02 - 04 of the season (minus Buffalo). They look better. Long way to go, but I think we have seen some improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Wow...Imagine it was Schottenheimer who was billed as the Godfather of the Wildcat and yet in seven games Tebow hasn't run for more than two yards on a given play (maybe once)?? Schottenheimer's wildcats looked more creative than this dude's. Are you kidding? Where are the calls for Soprano's head? We just watched Mark Sanchez put together the best drive of his life. He's been throwing the ball like Johnny Untias all quarter. We just marched 90+ yards to go in for a TD and would've had another one had Hill not dropped the ball. Now here we are on the 18 yard line, poised to ice the game..........and here comes TIM TEBOW!!?? Tim ****ing Tebow?? Get the **** out of here! We went from the best red zone offense last year to the worst. What if Schottenheimer had to settle for three after having a 2nd and 4 from their 5?? A slant to Schillens?? hahaha I just don't get it. Not one Soprano post? This guy has been a mega-failure so far. At least with Schotty there was SOME good. Red zone for one. He looks like a genius next to this guy. AND of course, this goes right back to the FO! Another collossal blunder. Seriously, just play GM for a minute, instead of resumes just use wikipedia or something. They hired Sparano, what a week?, after firing Schotty? haha Based on what? Based on f----king what??? Even if they hired someone like Norv Turner that quickly, i would say they were too quick to act......and Norv Turner has an extensive body of work as OC in the NFL. Prior to this, Sparano called plays in the NFL ONCE...........Once. (<Joe Piscopo in "Johnny Dangerously"). They were 9-7 whoopee. He was a failure in Miami that's why he was fired in a disgraceful manner. The Miami Dolphins offense was on poster for anemic offenses while he was there......and we snatched him up like he was Phil Jackson. Please, guys. Again I am slow to comprehend and I need your help. Please explain this to me, because such questions are very disturbing for a fanatic like myself. I wish I didn't have to carry this cross through life, but I've been cursed so I'm just trying to make sense of it the best I can. First off Sparano might have gotten the credit for the creation of Miami's wildcat, but that is not true, the only thing he did was allow the concept to be used for his offense that season, the creation of the plays were on the O-Coordinator that season, I believe it was Henning, but I could be wrong. All Tony did was say yea I like the idea Im open to running this type of offense here, he IMO had nothing to do with the creativity of the actual plays themselves IMO. 2nd You are way off base on Schotty's redzone success, the Jets were putrid in the red zone every year, until last season when Tom Moore was brought in to specifically improve the Jets redzone success, which he did by installing a very aggressive approach to the way the plays should be called, and the only credit Schotty deserves is actually taking the advice, and I assume that is only because those were the orders from Rex himself, I think back to last season, and wonder what could have been if the whole game was called as aggresively, and creatively as our redzone offense was. 3rd I half agree with you on Sparano, I hate his play calling at times, it seems he has a bad feel for the flow of the game, particularly in the redzone, and thinks kicking FG's deserves a fist pump (Rex apparently has been influenced some here, after his numerous fist pumps Sunday after the to Folk FG's). Sparano's offensive concept, and actual offense on the other hand I love, the play designs to throw down field, the miss direction on some running plays to create open lanes to run through even against stout run defenses, but he is not the right guy to call the sequence of these plays at times. So my take is the scheme, and offense I love, the man calling the plays, from that scheme not so much if that makes any sense. In conclusion Sparano has come through the Parcells tree of coaching, and follows the same offensive ideas as most Parcells guys, EXCEPT one thing, he apparently did not get the importance emphasied on SCORING TD's instead of FG's like Parcells, and Belicheck for that matter preached to specifically his QB's, Parcells placed all the blame on his QB for not putting the ball in the endzone on each drive, but in turn also made sure the guy calling the plays gave said QB the best oppurtonity's to get that TD, and Parcells was not shy to tell either he was not pleased with the job they did if the end result was not a TD, and Sparano fails at this once he crosses the 20 (IMO it starts even earlier more like the 30 in his case) he gets very conservative, or loses the feel for the flow of his offense at that time, and the end result is FG's instead of TD's, and Losses instead of Wins IMO! To Sparano's credit he is a very good coach, he gets players to give him everything they got, and play hard for him, and understands the inner workings of his players, and how to get everything out of them, but his pulse is not on calling offensive plays, he should be more suited for teaching, and assisting with the offense, something along the lines of OL coach/Assistant HC IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 He is saving the good plays for later in the season. Just like he didnt use any half decent plays in the preseason. Now he is using his average plays. Next will be good plays. Following the good plays come, yes, you guessed it, great plays. Come playoffs? thats when the elite plays come out. Some sh*t you never even imagined, kinda like the three prong blitz that parcells saved for the playoffs except for the offensive side of the ball. damn. I already said too much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 You know he wants to beat Miami real bad this week so expect some imaginative play calling- statue of liberty play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolphann4life Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 First off Sparano might have gotten the credit for the creation of Miami's wildcat, but that is not true, the only thing he did was allow the concept to be used for his offense that season, the creation of the plays were on the O-Coordinator that season, I believe it was Henning, but I could be wrong. All Tony did was say yea I like the idea Im open to running this type of offense here, he IMO had nothing to do with the creativity of the actual plays themselves IMO. 2nd You are way off base on Schotty's redzone success, the Jets were putrid in the red zone every year, until last season when Tom Moore was brought in to specifically improve the Jets redzone success, which he did by installing a very aggressive approach to the way the plays should be called, and the only credit Schotty deserves is actually taking the advice, and I assume that is only because those were the orders from Rex himself, I think back to last season, and wonder what could have been if the whole game was called as aggresively, and creatively as our redzone offense was. 3rd I half agree with you on Sparano, I hate his play calling at times, it seems he has a bad feel for the flow of the game, particularly in the redzone, and thinks kicking FG's deserves a fist pump (Rex apparently has been influenced some here, after his numerous fist pumps Sunday after the to Folk FG's). Sparano's offensive concept, and actual offense on the other hand I love, the play designs to throw down field, the miss direction on some running plays to create open lanes to run through even against stout run defenses, but he is not the right guy to call the sequence of these plays at times. So my take is the scheme, and offense I love, the man calling the plays, from that scheme not so much if that makes any sense. In conclusion Sparano has come through the Parcells tree of coaching, and follows the same offensive ideas as most Parcells guys, EXCEPT one thing, he apparently did not get the importance emphasied on SCORING TD's instead of FG's like Parcells, and Belicheck for that matter preached to specifically his QB's, Parcells placed all the blame on his QB for not putting the ball in the endzone on each drive, but in turn also made sure the guy calling the plays gave said QB the best oppurtonity's to get that TD, and Parcells was not shy to tell either he was not pleased with the job they did if the end result was not a TD, and Sparano fails at this once he crosses the 20 (IMO it starts even earlier more like the 30 in his case) he gets very conservative, or loses the feel for the flow of his offense at that time, and the end result is FG's instead of TD's, and Losses instead of Wins IMO! To Sparano's credit he is a very good coach, he gets players to give him everything they got, and play hard for him, and understands the inner workings of his players, and how to get everything out of them, but his pulse is not on calling offensive plays, he should be more suited for teaching, and assisting with the offense, something along the lines of OL coach/Assistant HC IMO. As a Dolphins fan who had a close on eye on the Tony Sparano era in Miami, this analysis is SPOT ON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Tebow was so effective in that play last season when the defenses did not know how to defend it. Wonder why he is not so effective right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Where are the calls for Soprano's head? We just watched Mark Sanchez put together the best drive of his life. Maybe you answered your own question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetcane Redux Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 He has taken the heat with playcalling He has not been immune. My big gripe so far is the use of Tebow- all in the wrong situations and I would make him throw the ball off a play fake instead of running every single time we use him Well said. My gripe is Tebow getting in for only one play at a time. It seems stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 TEH WOLF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 3rd and 2 from the 3 ----slant to Schilens. lmao smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetcane Redux Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 3rd and 2 from the 3 ----slant to Schilens. lmao smh If they gave Tebow the ball two times, he'd get the two fricking yards, plus more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 If they gave Tebow the ball two times, he'd get the two fricking yards, plus more! No sh*t. It's the only f---in time i would give the ball to Tebow. isn't that why we got him?? Isn't that his f----in specialty? If he can't pick up 2 yards on 2 tries (or four yards on three tries) Then WTF is he here for? I'm stunned at the level of stupidity this franchise has maintained for over three decades. This Tebow thing is the ultimate though. You would think he just joined the team the night before these games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 If they gave Tebow the ball two times, he'd get the two fricking yards, plus more! But what if he didnt??? Dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Tony gets the pass the first season because people are glad to get rid of the Schotty and its so fashionable to blame Rexchise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 He has taken the heat with playcalling He has not been immune. My big gripe so far is the use of Tebow- all in the wrong situations and I would make him throw the ball off a play fake instead of running every single time we use him and ALWAYS off left guard.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 As a Dolphins fan who had a close on eye on the Tony Sparano era in Miami, this analysis is SPOT ON. A close on eye on you say... So he skull ****ed you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolphann4life Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 A close on eye on you say... So he skull ****ed you? Quit fantasizing bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Quit fantasizing bro. You be ilkin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaJetsFan Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 I have to agree with this thread. The only coach on this team that knows how to effectively use Tebow is Mike Westhoff. At least HE lets Tebow throw once in a while. Defenses don't even bother to cover our wideouts when Tebow is in the shotgun - they just stack the middle - THE MIDDLE!!!! And pulling Sanchez when he's in a rhythm and driving 70 yards down the field is just plain dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 No sh*t. It's the only f---in time i would give the ball to Tebow. isn't that why we got him?? Isn't that his f----in specialty? If he can't pick up 2 yards on 2 tries (or four yards on three tries) Then WTF is he here for? I'm stunned at the level of stupidity this franchise has maintained for over three decades. This Tebow thing is the ultimate though. You would think he just joined the team the night before these games. Really? I think that barely scratches the surface. Just off the top of my head: Not drafting Manning when they had the opportunity to do so, hiring Bradway as GM, hiring of Walton, Kotite, Coslet, Herm as coaches. You get the idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Our biggest problems according to JN: Hackett Heimerdinger Schottenheimer Sparano (+ Tebow) Our biggest problems in reality: Chad Pennington Mark Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 GROUNDZ AND POUNDZ ROOT TREE yeah, the ground round makes good food Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Really? I think that barely scratches the surface. Just off the top of my head: Not drafting Manning when they had the opportunity to do so, hiring Bradway as GM, hiring of Walton, Kotite, Coslet, Herm as coaches. You get the idea How did I miss them having this opportunity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 coaches coach, players play. this idea that the offense is being held back by the OC was relevant when Hackett was in charge. Since then the OC's have been competant, nothing special but basically all NFL offenses are the same and the differences are the players. lol Oh really..were you not here during Schottenheimer's reign? Coaches coach now, huh? haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 Our biggest problems according to JN: Hackett Heimerdinger Schottenheimer Sparano (+ Tebow) Our biggest problems in reality: Chad Pennington Mark Sanchez Could that pass to Stephen Hill have been more beautiful? lmao I love it. It's either the OC or the QB. Period. There is plenty of sucking to go around. Plenty. God forbid the defense holds anybody when it counts. This team is a joke from top to bottom. I'm just glad Sanchez isn't another Cam Newton or we'd really be a freak show. Coaches coach now......lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Could that pass to Stephen Hill have been more beautiful? lmao I love it. It's either the OC or the QB. Period. There is plenty of sucking to go around. Plenty. God forbid the defense holds anybody when it counts. This team is a joke from top to bottom. I'm just glad Sanchez isn't another Cam Newton or we'd really be a freak show. Cam Newton is a physical freak, and his moping is due to the team not winning. Think he wouldn't win here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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