kelly Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 WORST ? : drafting Brian Thomas over Ed Reed BEST ? : drafting Vilma 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 WORST ? : drafting Brian Thomas over Ed Reed BEST ? : drafting Vilma 8) Sorry Kelly, but Bradway gets zero credit for Vilma. We were dumping Mo and Marvin and needed a Backer. The entire fanbase was screaming for Vilma or DJ Williams--the majority wanted Vilma. That pick was no stroke of genius whatsoever. Bradways dumbass moves are way too voluminous to list, but I'll give him credit for Kendall, Coleman, and Ben Graham. Beyond that, slim pickings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 worst- hiring hermie, drafting BT and signing noodle to $64m clams Best- Kerry Rhodes( pretty sad) Vilma was obvious selection no brainer here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Best - Changing over to softply crapper paper at the Team HQ Worst - Hiring a Turd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Worst: Jolley, Thomas, Robertson deal, Martins contract, McCariens, Askew in the 3rd round, Picking Jordan in retrospect, our cap situation Best: COleman, Vilma, Barton, Rhodes I guess. Nugent in the 2nd could be classified as bad as well, considering the guy can't reach the endzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Christ i forgot 2 worst's as well, Not Keeping LJ for Warrior, Losing Coles the first time when he was healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Christ i forgot 2 worst's as well, Not Keeping LJ for Warrior, Losing Coles the first time when he was healthy. Do you really believe that those 2 players were (are) worth what they ultimately were paid? Better option-Draft and develop better talnt to take over. We don't have to overpay everyone, just develop better. And that falls at all feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Do you really believe that those 2 players were (are) worth what they ultimately were paid? Better option-Draft and develop better talnt to take over. We don't have to overpay everyone, just develop better. And that falls at all feet. Coles was very good b4 he got hurt in DC. He is not the same player and is very close to the scrap pile. LJ is a stud on a bad team with a bad coach, sounds familar..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Coles was very good b4 he got hurt in DC. He is not the same player and is very close to the scrap pile. LJ is a stud on a bad team with a bad coach, sounds familar..... You didn't answer my question-Do you believe Coles was worth teh 13m (or whatever it was) bonus, along with crazy salary? Do you also believe Jordan is worth top 10 money in teh league for a RB? Not me. You can fill WR and RB much more cheaply and cap smartly than what those guys got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 You didn't answer my question-Do you believe Coles was worth teh 13m (or whatever it was) bonus, along with crazy salary? Do you also believe Jordan is worth top 10 money in teh league for a RB? Not me. You can fill WR and RB much more cheaply and cap smartly than what those guys got. assmop just left work for the day,, i assume he will respond later.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 You didn't answer my question-Do you believe Coles was worth teh 13m (or whatever it was) bonus, along with crazy salary? Do you also believe Jordan is worth top 10 money in teh league for a RB? Not me. You can fill WR and RB much more cheaply and cap smartly than what those guys got. Just so we are clear here-This is not an attempt to say that Bradway has even done a decent job. I am just saying that the market went crazy on those guys. Now, maybe Bradway allowed that market to go crazy by allowing them to be exposed. That is debatable, to a degree. Smart teams, I repeat, smart teams develop back-up plans in these cases so they do not get held hostage by potential FA's and have options. They only keep the very best talent, without exposing it to FA, and use the draft smartly to back fill. That is a philosophy that has worked well for others -see Phila (though they got too smart for their own good this year), and NE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hasty Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Do you really believe that those 2 players were (are) worth what they ultimately were paid? Better option-Draft and develop better talnt to take over. We don't have to overpay everyone, just develop better. And that falls at all feet. How can you build through the draft when you use your top picks to select backup DEs, retread TEs and kickers? Also, BJ Askew - what the hell was that? Why is it that Bradway always waits until the player becomes a free agent AND wants top $$$s before he even talks about an extension. Unless, of course,the player is near retirement (Vinny, Curtis, Wayne, Fabini, Mawae etc.). Cut Bradway loose ASAFP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 WORST: Extending Jason fabini BEST: Giving Glenn, Coleman and Young to the Texans getting the Jets partly out of Parcells cap hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 How can you build through the draft when you use your top picks to select backup DEs, retread TEs and kickers? Also, BJ Askew - what the hell was that? Why is it that Bradway always waits until the player becomes a free agent AND wants top $$$s before he even talks about an extension. Unless, of course,the player is near retirement (Vinny, Curtis, Wayne, Fabini, Mawae etc.). Cut Bradway loose ASAFP! ya good point,, bradway had made some awfully big payouts to over the hill vets,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Sorry Kelly, but Bradway gets zero credit for Vilma. This is BS. Who cares who the crowd was screaming for. It was a great pick, and Terry made it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 This is BS. Who cares who the crowd was screaming for. It was a great pick, and Terry made it. It was not a great pick. Who else could he possibly have picked considering the glaring need at LB? EVERYONE knew that Vilma was ours if he was there at #12. How does Bradway claim credit for that? Coleman--that was a great pick. Graham--Terry pulled that one out of his ass--I give all due credit. But you do not get extra credit for doing something any schmuck on the street could see coming from a mile away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 It was not a great pick. Who else could he possibly have picked considering the glaring need at LB? EVERYONE knew that Vilma was ours if he was there at #12. How does Bradway claim credit for that? Coleman--that was a great pick. Graham--Terry pulled that one out of his a$$--I give all due credit. But you do not get extra credit for doing something any schmuck on the street could see coming from a mile away. u have to say a great pick, even though it wa sobvious,, look how bradway screwed up the HC pick even though Fox and Lewis interviewed and were obvious choices, he blew it and picked the TURD,, at least he got Vilma right.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 You didn't answer my question-Do you believe Coles was worth teh 13m (or whatever it was) bonus, along with crazy salary? Do you also believe Jordan is worth top 10 money in teh league for a RB? Not me. You can fill WR and RB much more cheaply and cap smartly than what those guys got. It's so rare when we agree so... no way was Coles worth that Money and no way was Jordan worth that Money! And the one you left out..NO FRIGGING WAY WAS THE STATMAN EVER WORTH HIS MONEY EITHER!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cant Hackett Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 This Year: Not the Best, but signing Jay Fiedler looked good on paper, but like the season, things did not work out. Not the worst, but we should of tried to work out a deal to pick up a 6/7 round draft pick for Ray Mickens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 This is BS. Who cares who the crowd was screaming for. It was a great pick, and Terry made it. And guess where he put us right back into? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Worst: Taking BJ Askew in the 3rd rd to rot for three years, drafting six safeties in 3 drafts Best: Kareem McKenzie, Eric Coleman, Adrian Jones and obviously Vilma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 It was not a great pick. Who else could he possibly have picked considering the glaring need at LB? EVERYONE knew that Vilma was ours if he was there at #12. How does Bradway claim credit for that? Coleman--that was a great pick. Graham--Terry pulled that one out of his a$$--I give all due credit. But you do not get extra credit for doing something any schmuck on the street could see coming from a mile away. This is completely unfair, and I'm serious. Another GM might have went with DJ Williams, or tried to trade down and get Vilma. But Bradway went with his guns and drafted Vilma (who wasnt some kind of 100% bust bulletproof LB coming out of college). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Worst: Botching the tender on Coles, letting him sign with the skins. BJ Askew. Extending Fabini. Not drafting any Olineman day 1 in the draft. Best: Letting go of McKenzie, Jordan and Ferguson. Trading Santana for Coles. Drafting LaMont. Drafting Vilma and Coleman. Giving this team a top kicker for the next 10+ years. Stealing Adrian Jones in the 4th rd. Signing Ty Law. Signing Eric Barton. JMO, but Bradway deserves to stay. He has drafted alot of very good players. IT IS NOT THE GMs DECISION WHO GETS TO START! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Best: Letting go of McKenzie, Jordan and Ferguson. Trading Santana for Coles. Drafting LaMont. Drafting Vilma and Coleman. Giving this team a top kicker for the next 10+ years. Stealing Adrian Jones in the 4th rd. Signing Ty Law. Signing Eric Barton. How in the hell can you possibly say letting Fergy go was a great move? Because Tank Reed has been so awesome? The whole Fergy situation was completely botched. Not only did Terry not resign Ferguson, but while he was busy trying to court him, Pat Williams, a superior player, signed a very reasonable contract with the Vikings. That left us with a group of JAGs at defensive tackle, and it also caused D-Rob to have a major regression. Also, some of your other inclusions (Ty Law, Moss for Coles, Nugent a great kicker) make me wonder if you have just completely blocked the 2005 season out of your memory banks. All of those moves looked good at the time, but in retrospect, they were all terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudcat21 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Worst was picking our Head Coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 This is completely unfair, and I'm serious. Another GM might have went with DJ Williams, or tried to trade down and get Vilma. But Bradway went with his guns and drafted Vilma (who wasnt some kind of 100% bust bulletproof LB coming out of college). Vilma was a gimme. This thread was about best and worst picks. Not best and worst players picked. Vilma's great. I would have picked him myself and I remodel kitchens for a living. Sorry Terry, no parade for picking the best linebacker in the draft at #12. (P.S. He wasn't trading up because there were two excellent LB products on the board. We were guaranteed one.) Best picks are the sleepers that turn out to be big-time players. Not big-time players that turn out to do exactly what you expected them to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 How in the hell can you possibly say letting Fergy go was a great move? Because Tank Reed has been so awesome? The whole Fergy situation was completely botched. Not only did Terry not resign Ferguson, but while he was busy trying to court him, Pat Williams, a superior player, signed a very reasonable contract with the Vikings. That left us with a group of JAGs at defensive tackle, and it also caused D-Rob to have a major regression. Also, some of your other inclusions (Ty Law, Moss for Coles, Nugent a great kicker) make me wonder if you have just completely blocked the 2005 season out of your memory banks. All of those moves looked good at the time, but in retrospect, they were all terrible. What has Ferguson done in dallas to warrant his big contract? We'd still suck even if we had Ferguson, and if we signed him to that big deal it would just be another cap problem. Moss wanted a big pay day, and while he's doing great in washington, he's still an injury prone sissy. Moss wouldnt be doing anything better than Coles, if he had Bollinger throwing him the ball. Ty Law has played very well. And considering we were a legit playoff contender, adding a very good corner to a contract that allows you to cut him with no cap charger after 1 season = great sign After Bradway is gone, 8 years from now, we'll all thank him for drafting Mike Nugent, who's really come on strong with his field goals. His kickoffs will improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Worst: Botching the tender on Coles, letting him sign with the skins. BJ Askew. Extending Fabini. Not drafting any Olineman day 1 in the draft. Best: Letting go of McKenzie, Jordan and Ferguson. Trading Santana for Coles. Drafting LaMont. Drafting Vilma and Coleman. Giving this team a top kicker for the next 10+ years. Stealing Adrian Jones in the 4th rd. Signing Ty Law. Signing Eric Barton. JMO, but Bradway deserves to stay. He has drafted alot of very good players. IT IS NOT THE GMs DECISION WHO GETS TO START! Barton, Not bad, but I have two observations: 1) Ask DFat if he misses Fergy. Bradway should have made a better effort to keep him. 2) A top kicker for the next ten years? Dude, the guy is 1 for friggn' 47 on touchbacks this year. Any kicker drafted in the 2nd round better split the uprights AND launch the football into the end zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Barton, Not bad, but I have two observations: 1) Ask DFat if he misses Fergy. Bradway should have made a better effort to keep him. 2) A top kicker for the next ten years? Dude, the guy is 1 for friggn' 47 on touchbacks this year. Any kicker drafted in the 2nd round better split the uprights AND launch the football into the end zone. Nugent makes his money on field goals. If he kicks the ball at the 5 yard line on kickoffs every time, so be it. His leg will get stronger. Vinatieri isnt a boomer on kickoffs either, but nobody cares because he's money on field goals. And Nugent will be money in the bank every time he lines up for a field goal as a NY Jet for the next 10+ years. Bradway offered Ferguson plenty of money, too much actually. But Bradway did screw up on Pat Williams. Hopefully this next offseason, he can get Grady Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Sorry Kelly, but Bradway gets zero credit for Vilma. We were dumping Mo and Marvin and needed a Backer. The entire fanbase was screaming for Vilma or DJ Williams--the majority wanted Vilma. That pick was no stroke of genius whatsoever. Bradways dumbass moves are way too voluminous to list, but I'll give him credit for Kendall, Coleman, and Ben Graham. Beyond that, slim pickings. Ridiculous to not give him credit for Vilma. Absolutely ridiculous. You can hate him all you want, and some of the criticism is justified, but he deserves credit when he drafts a future probowler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Ridiculous to not give him credit for Vilma. Absolutely ridiculous. You can hate him all you want, and some of the criticism is justified, but he deserves credit when he drafts a future probowler. I do dislike Bradway, but if I loved him he still would not get a pat on the back for doing the obvious. I'm not being unfair...I've even listed some of his triumphs. To this day I have no idea how he found a punter in Australia. That was a stroke of brilliance and there's no denying that. I loved the Kendall signing as well. He picked up an excellent veteran lineman when there were none to be had, and that lineman helped Curtis to a career season. He drafted Eric Coleman, a diamond in the rough that wasn't even on the radar screens for most teams...nice evaluation of potential there. But how on Earth is he a genius for drafting the highest ranked LB in a year when we needed a LB? He was predicted to go between 10-15. We were #12. Please read the pre-draft posts that were going on prior to Vilma's pick (the other place) and you'll see what a no-brainer this actually was. Love Vilma. He deserves it. Bradway was just doing his job in drafting him, he wasn't pulling off a heist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 sooner or later Ben Graham does the kickoffs and Nuge only does field goals, and that's probably fine. Let's be real last year we had Doug Brien and rampant Gowinism. The kicking game was revamped and is by all accounts much improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 sooner or later Ben Graham does the kickoffs and Nuge only does field goals, and that's probably fine. Let's be real last year we had Doug Brien and rampant Gowinism. The kicking game was revamped and is by all accounts much improved. Can The aussie kick off a tee? He's got a monster leg but punting and kicking are two different animals. If he can learn to kickoff, we're aces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 sooner or later Ben Graham does the kickoffs and Nuge only does field goals, and that's probably fine. Let's be real last year we had Doug Brien and rampant Gowinism. The kicking game was revamped and is by all accounts much improved. good point bit,, we were talkin at jet bar last week wonderin when graham would take over kickoffs,,, he must be havin trouble with some aspect cause it wont take much to be better than nugent on kickoffs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 sooner or later Ben Graham does the kickoffs and Nuge only does field goals, and that's probably fine. Yep, that's just great. Waste a 2nd round pick on a friggn' kicker who would only be on the field 2 or 3 times a game. Same old Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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