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Like him or not, Cromartie is playing at an extremely high level this season. He has two years left on his deal after this one. I would hope Tanny is at least exploring the idea of trading him. (though I am not sure what kind of cap implications would be incurred)

No one is giving up a 1st but if Vontae Davis went for a 2nd, Cro should definitely net a 2nd rounder.

Unless people think this team is going to be SB contenders in the next 24 months, it would make a ton of sense to try and make a deal.

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Like him or not, Cromartie is playing at an extremely high level this season. He has two years left on his deal after this one. I would hope Tanny is at least exploring the idea of trading him. (though I am not sure what kind of cap implications would be incurred)

No one is giving up a 1st but if Vontae Davis went for a 2nd, Cro should definitely net a 2nd rounder.

Unless people think this team is going to be SB contenders in the next 24 months, it would make a ton of sense to try and make a deal.

The one to trade him would be Tannenbaum, and if he did that he'd be conceding the season at 3-5. He won't do it. He's more likely to be on the other end of a trade right now, where he trades one of our draft picks for a player that may help bring us another 1 win, but who will be an unrestricted free agent in March.

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There's one very important, and perhaps hard to admit, reason not to trade Cromartie now. Because it's very possible at some point in the next 9 or so months, the Jets will find themselves in a situation where it's going to be Revis who makes the most sense for them to trade, in that case they're going to really want to have Cromartie still around. The truth is, Revis' injury makes an already difficult situation all that much worse. He's coming off a serious injury, will be entering the last year of his deal, is going to be looking for a big time contract and the Jets won't be able to franchise him after the 2013 season. It's very possible if they don't get him extended this coming offseason, he'll be walking in 2014 with the Jets getting absolutely nothing in return, and in that case, trading him is going to become a serious consideration.

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The truth is, Revis' injury makes an already difficult situation all that much worse.

i saw it the other way. Revis was never hurt (or anything but awesome) before this season. This injury gives the Jets a little bit of leverage, both sides can work out a rational deal. If Revis had another AllPro year he could have asked for the moon and the stars.

I do agree tho that trading Cro doesn't really help anything. they can get another 2nd round. Oohh like Stephen Hill? Great... it helps the 2016 Jets it doesn't do much in the near term.

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It is a popular opinion with some fans that when a team stinks you trade away the good guys and try and get a ton of stuff back instead of trying to do other things to add pieces to the guys you have that are good. The fact is there is only one Herschel Walker trade in history. Trading Cro would net a draft pick (probably more like a third, but for argument's sake let's say a second) which we would use and if we made the perfect pick would have another younger version of Cro. It really doesn't make much sense to do that.

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It is a popular opinion with some fans that when a team stinks you trade away the good guys and try and get a ton of stuff back instead of trying to do other things to add pieces to the guys you have that are good. The fact is there is only one Herschel Walker trade in history. Trading Cro would net a draft pick (probably more like a third, but for argument's sake let's say a second) which we would use and if we made the perfect pick would have another younger version of Cro. It really doesn't make much sense to do that.

sh*t would hit the effin fan if Cro went for a 3rd while Vontae Davis goes for a second.
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This team isnt going anywhere, anytime in the next couple years. If you get a high 2nd rd pick for Cro, you pull the trigger......

....if another GM is choosing the draft pick.

Keep dreaming...he didn't bring that kind of haul when he was 25, not making $8 million a year and only 2 years removed from being NFL defensive player of the year, he certainly isn't bringing anything close to that, now.

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Keep dreaming...he didn't bring that kind of haul when he was 25, not making $8 million a year and only 2 years removed from being NFL defensive player of the year, he certainly isn't bringing anything close to that, now.

I'd take a top 60 pick and a late rder for Cro.

He's not a team leader and he still wont tackle. Solid player but this team is going nowhere without a QB.

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Like him or not, Cromartie is playing at an extremely high level this season. He has two years left on his deal after this one. I would hope Tanny is at least exploring the idea of trading him. (though I am not sure what kind of cap implications would be incurred)

No one is giving up a 1st but if Vontae Davis went for a 2nd, Cro should definitely net a 2nd rounder.

Unless people think this team is going to be SB contenders in the next 24 months, it would make a ton of sense to try and make a deal.

Who do you want to draft with that pick? Please be specific. I know you're not even sure what round it would be or to which team, but go ahead and take a shot since you're trading away one of the best players on the team.

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It is a popular opinion with some fans that when a team stinks you trade away the good guys and try and get a ton of stuff back instead of trying to do other things to add pieces to the guys you have that are good. The fact is there is only one Herschel Walker trade in history. Trading Cro would net a draft pick (probably more like a third, but for argument's sake let's say a second) which we would use and if we made the perfect pick would have another younger version of Cro. It really doesn't make much sense to do that.

What do we need good players for?

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It is a popular opinion with some fans that when a team stinks you trade away the good guys and try and get a ton of stuff back instead of trying to do other things to add pieces to the guys you have that are good. The fact is there is only one Herschel Walker trade in history. Trading Cro would net a draft pick (probably more like a third, but for argument's sake let's say a second) which we would use and if we made the perfect pick would have another younger version of Cro. It really doesn't make much sense to do that.

Oh and PS: Ricky Williams.

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Who do you want to draft with that pick? Please be specific. I know you're not even sure what round it would be or to which team, but go ahead and take a shot since you're trading away one of the best players on the team.

I don't think you're being fair. I can see your side but I can see Teh Dirk's too. If I'm a Jet fan, I'm not really upset either way...but Cro's only 28, I think. He'd still be in his prime in 2 years if they were ready to make a run by then. I'd probably trade a 2nd for him but not a 3rd. Doesn't matter because if Tanny admits to rebuilding then he's good as gone. Trading Cro would be admitting that/defeat. Edited by HessStation
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If it were actually possible to get Romo or Rivers next year I'd keep the core, don't trade anyone and take one more shot with Rex and Co. If not, starting dumping salaries and getting younger...

Yeah, but how young can you possibly get when you're talking about Antonio Cromartie, who is 28 years old? I don't see any fetuses playing cornerback on the cheap any time soon.

And yes, I'm aware of the irony of talking about fetuses in the same sentence as our very virile cornerback.

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It is a popular opinion with some fans that when a team stinks you trade away the good guys and try and get a ton of stuff back instead of trying to do other things to add pieces to the guys you have that are good. The fact is there is only one Herschel Walker trade in history. Trading Cro would net a draft pick (probably more like a third, but for argument's sake let's say a second) which we would use and if we made the perfect pick would have another younger version of Cro. It really doesn't make much sense to do that.

I just don't see the Jets being legit SB contenders in the next 2 years. I dont expect a Hershel Walker type trade but if we arent real contenders in the near term, why not add an additional pick. Like I said, Vontae Davis went for a 2nd rounder - cant see why someone might not pony up the same for Cro (contract notwithstanding).

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Who do you want to draft with that pick? Please be specific. I know you're not even sure what round it would be or to which team, but go ahead and take a shot since you're trading away one of the best players on the team.

Oh, I am not going to sit here and pretend to be an NFL scout. Your request to hear who I want to draft with an extra 2nd round pick is ridiculous. Here what I am thinking. We are NOWHERE CLOSE to being SB contenders. I don't care how many AFC Title games we lost recently. That being said, trading a guy like Cro for an additional pick makes total sense.

NFL organizations that are run very well build thru the draft. So yes, I think adding additional picks for a guy who wont be around when we are real contenders again makes total sense. Perhaps you can tell me why that would not be sound strategy. Or better yet, tell me what you would suggest? Keep one of our best players for another 2 years while we struggle to be a .500 team and then end up getting nothing for him?

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There's one very important, and perhaps hard to admit, reason not to trade Cromartie now. Because it's very possible at some point in the next 9 or so months, the Jets will find themselves in a situation where it's going to be Revis who makes the most sense for them to trade, in that case they're going to really want to have Cromartie still around. The truth is, Revis' injury makes an already difficult situation all that much worse. He's coming off a serious injury, will be entering the last year of his deal, is going to be looking for a big time contract and the Jets won't be able to franchise him after the 2013 season. It's very possible if they don't get him extended this coming offseason, he'll be walking in 2014 with the Jets getting absolutely nothing in return, and in that case, trading him is going to become a serious consideration.

Revis is going to be an unrestricted free agent. Its an easy call. The Jets wont sign him to big money deal until he proves hes healthy. How long will it take for the Jets to know that? Maybe half a season? So you think Revis - 8 games away from unrestricted free agency is going to sign with the Jets. No fukin way. This dudes ego is too big for that. He plays out the season, and some dumbass owner throws Mario Williams $$$ at him - something the Jets cant afford to do.

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It is a popular opinion with some fans that when a team stinks you trade away the good guys and try and get a ton of stuff back instead of trying to do other things to add pieces to the guys you have that are good. The fact is there is only one Herschel Walker trade in history. Trading Cro would net a draft pick (probably more like a third, but for argument's sake let's say a second) which we would use and if we made the perfect pick would have another younger version of Cro. It really doesn't make much sense to do that.

It also nets $9.5M off the cap for each of the next 2 seasons. The "sense" is if we want to rebuild with some other veterans (to lock up for longer than the 2 years we have Cro for) it would add flexibility to do that. Before you know it he's going to lose a step. He's 28 now and we have him locked up through age 30. We're not going to want him past that (unless, by some miracle, he wants to sign 1 year deals with us until he sucks). We have so many FAs next year that we won't be able to re-sign, and with not enough younger guys ready to take their place, an 8-figure per season CB for 2 more years may be an unnecessary luxury. Face it, we are not winning a superbowl next year. So we'd be holding onto Cromartie in case we are (hopefully) contenders in 2014 for the last year of his current deal.

I don't think it's a no-brainer to have moved him, and it would suck for us to part with one of the only guys who's still playing at an elite level (which he is), but I can more than see the sense in it.

We paid a (conditional) 2nd for him when he had I think 1 year left on his rookie contract and hadn't been very good since his first year. He now has a deal in place for the remainder of this year plus 2 more full seasons with no new up-front bonus money required from his new team, and is playing like a star CB again. We could recoup a damn good pick (or two) plus a boatload of cap space.

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Oh, I am not going to sit here and pretend to be an NFL scout. Your request to hear who I want to draft with an extra 2nd round pick is ridiculous. Here what I am thinking. We are NOWHERE CLOSE to being SB contenders. I don't care how many AFC Title games we lost recently. That being said, trading a guy like Cro for an additional pick makes total sense.

NFL organizations that are run very well build thru the draft. So yes, I think adding additional picks for a guy who wont be around when we are real contenders again makes total sense. Perhaps you can tell me why that would not be sound strategy. Or better yet, tell me what you would suggest? Keep one of our best players for another 2 years while we struggle to be a .500 team and then end up getting nothing for him?

First of all, you can't run an organization on the assumption that you will not contend. You don't trade all your best players because you're not a "Super Bowl contender". Two years is a long time. Just ask Mike Tannenbaum and show him a picture of Mark Sanchez signing his extension.

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First of all, you can't run an organization on the assumption that you will not contend. You don't trade all your best players because you're not a "Super Bowl contender". Two years is a long time. Just ask Mike Tannenbaum and show him a picture of Mark Sanchez signing his extension.

If an organization cannot see clearly that the personnel you have in place is MILES away from being a Super Bowl contender - than that organization is fuked (for lack of a better term).

Two years is a long time. But this team has SO MANY needs that it would be arrogant of you or Jets brass to think this team is anywhere close to contending for real.

If you have an asset, like a 28 year old Cro who is at peak value, it would be irresponsible for the Jets to not even entertain the idea of dealing him for the right price.

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the Jets have been firing people for 40 years

If I were the owner, Rex Ryan can coach here as long as he wants.

he's clearly the best HC they've had since Parcells.

none of the ppl the Jets have fired have gone onto success somewhere else.

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none of the ppl the Jets have fired have gone onto success somewhere else.

That might have something to do with the quality of the hire's in the first place. Even if there was a Parcells-like coach out there, he wouldn't necessarily pick this job.

NY is a crazy place to coach with few football lifers from the area. Guys like DBrick who grew up on Long Island and Rex who was a ball boy briefly for the Namath era Jets, are huge minorities. It used to be that Vince Lombardi would go from football hotbed of Brooklyn to Green Bay, now the league is basically staffed with a combination of good ole boys and hicks. Neither of which really want to live in New York.

the Jets got lucky with Rex, firing him would be like Pitt firing Cowher in year 4. the dude can have a decade for all I care. He's a defensive mastermind. even this defense is still the best part of the team by far.

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Revis is going to be an unrestricted free agent. Its an easy call. The Jets wont sign him to big money deal until he proves hes healthy. How long will it take for the Jets to know that? Maybe half a season? So you think Revis - 8 games away from unrestricted free agency is going to sign with the Jets. No fukin way. This dudes ego is too big for that. He plays out the season, and some dumbass owner throws Mario Williams $$$ at him - something the Jets cant afford to do.

I actually agree with you, which is my whole point. If the Jets think there's a good chance Revis will walk after next season, they're going to have at least consider the possibility of trading him. After all, they'd be much better served getting something in return than letting him walk for something If that's potentially the case, I don't see how you could consider trading Cromartie.

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i saw it the other way. Revis was never hurt (or anything but awesome) before this season. This injury gives the Jets a little bit of leverage, both sides can work out a rational deal. If Revis had another AllPro year he could have asked for the moon and the stars.

I do agree tho that trading Cro doesn't really help anything. they can get another 2nd round. Oohh like Stephen Hill? Great... it helps the 2016 Jets it doesn't do much in the near term.

You could certainly be right, my only worry would be that Revis is the kind of guy who clearly has a lot of confidence in himself, so I could see him not being interested in taking a reduced amount when he sees himself being only one year away from getting to hit the UFA jackpot, which as we all know, carries an even bigger dollar amount along with it. So if that is the case, and the Jets are too worried about his health to lock him up for the kind of money he wants, there could be too big of a gap to close and I honestly think once next season starts, the only shot Revis will give the Jets at keeping him is by being his highest bidder on the UFA market. I'd love to be wrong about that, and you could certainly be on the mark with what you're saying, but that potential scenario is the only reason I could see a trade of Revis being a possible consideration.

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If an organization cannot see clearly that the personnel you have in place is MILES away from being a Super Bowl contender - than that organization is fuked (for lack of a better term).

Two years is a long time. But this team has SO MANY needs that it would be arrogant of you or Jets brass to think this team is anywhere close to contending for real.

If you have an asset, like a 28 year old Cro who is at peak value, it would be irresponsible for the Jets to not even entertain the idea of dealing him for the right price.

Unless that number two pick is going to get us a franchise quarterback, undo Darrelle Revis' knee injury and Santonio Holmes' foot injury...

If we had a good quarterback and those two injuries don't happen, we wouldn't BE miles from contending. Who the hell in this conference is that good? We almost had the Texans and we should have beaten the Pats. Without our best player on defense and our best player on offense.

Not miles, just the length of the quarterbacks arm.

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