PatsFanTX Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Over the next 5 years or so, I see the Pats and Phins fighting it out for the title and I see the Jets and Bills fighting for last place and another high draft pick. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Over the next 5 years or so, I see the Pats and Phins fighting it out for the title and I see the Jets and Bills fighting for last place and another high draft pick. Discuss. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I don't know that I can argue this. I don't, however, see MIA as a perrenial contender. They have QB issues and will need to address it in the draft. If they do then they will deal with the growing pains for at least 2 years. BUF depends heavily on Losman. It's not fair to call him a bust yet and give up on him, although I never really saw him as a star. If he comes around then BUF will be your perrenial AFCE contender. As far as the Pats, one thing they will seriously need to consider is the leadership on D. Bruschi and Vrabel won't be around forever, and lately they have been striking out on FA additions. They will also need to address the Dillon situation as well on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Over the next 5 years or so, I see the Pats and Phins fighting it out for the title and I see the Jets and Bills fighting for last place and another high draft pick. Discuss. How can someone discuss what next year is going to be like, let alone what 5 years from now will be. There is too much change and upheavak in teh NFL to make strong predictions, especially before offseason has even started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Who are the Jets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 How can someone discuss what next year is going to be like, let alone what 5 years from now will be. There is too much change and upheavak in teh NFL to make strong predictions, especially before offseason has even started We're fans, Dierking, it's what we do. Get over yourself already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 We're fans, Dierking, it's what we do. Get over yourself already. OK, as a fan-Name the strating rosters, in 3 years, for each of the AFC East teams. Being a "fan" does not give you license to live in a fairy tale world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 OK, as a fan-Name the strating rosters, in 3 years, for each of the AFC East teams. Being a "fan" does not give you license to live in a fairy tale world You need a license for that now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 How can someone discuss what next year is going to be like, let alone what 5 years from now will be. There is too much change and upheavak in teh NFL to make strong predictions, especially before offseason has even started Dierk, stop raining on my thread. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Did someone say something about a license? Since you did, I need your registration and insurance with it please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 You need a license for that now? Obviously not, gauging some of the posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Obviously not, gauging some of the posts. Dierking, the season is in shambles. Did you really think logic would penetrate any thread on this board at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 I don't know that I can argue this. I don't, however, see MIA as a perrenial contender. They have QB issues and will need to address it in the draft. If they do then they will deal with the growing pains for at least 2 years. BUF depends heavily on Losman. It's not fair to call him a bust yet and give up on him, although I never really saw him as a star. If he comes around then BUF will be your perrenial AFCE contender. As far as the Pats, one thing they will seriously need to consider is the leadership on D. Bruschi and Vrabel won't be around forever, and lately they have been striking out on FA additions. They will also need to address the Dillon situation as well on offense. Booz, good post as usual. I'm not ready to call Losman a bust either. IMO, Losman's biggest problem so far has been reading defenses. He seems to lock on to his primary receiver (forcing the ball) and not going through his progression reads. Good coaching can correct that problem. As for the Pats, they need to look at RB's and LB's come draft time (but knowing BB, he'll probably take a TE or DT in the 1st round ). Although Dillon had his best game of the season last Sunday, I think his days as a featured RB are done. Need to go with youth at the position more than any other in the NFL. Pats LB's are getting old. They need to find 2 studs (inside and outside) through the draft or FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 The future of the AFC East is up for grabs. New England is in a seriousl decline. Many people will dispute this but the signs are all there. None greater than the 1st round playoff loss they will demonstrate this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 The future of the AFC East is up for grabs. New England is in a seriousl decline. Many people will dispute this but the signs are all there. Where are they in decline? QB? OLine? DLine? TE? WR? CB's Other than the two areas I think the Pats need to address (RB and LB), the other areas are as strong as ever and getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 The future of the AFC East is up for grabs. New England is in a seriousl decline. Many people will dispute this but the signs are all there. /quote] I can't agree with this statement at all, even as a Jets fan. Do I feel the Pats are gonna win a bunch more SB's, of course not. But they have the best coach in the league and arguably the best QB in the league. They may have some mediocre to bad individual seasons, but they will not have a string of bad years so long as these 2 are still around. Brady and Belicheck will spend more seasons in the playoffs than not when it is all said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 "The Pats have been striking out with FA signings lately." -Boozer76 If "lately" means this year, I agree. Otherwise you are smoking the same stuff Max and Herm are. BB and Saban will have at it for the remainder of this decade. Two very, very good coaches. Pats must address rb age issue, Bruschi age issue (Vrable and Colvin are relatively young) and some key decisions need to be made: Seymour, Givens, Vinatieri. Miami must find a QB and address their aging defense too. Herm will continue as HC of the NY Football Jets, have RB age issues, have a major question mark at QB, need a TE, need receiver help. Must get O-line depth. Buffalo - no QB, no O-line and no run defense (can you blame that all on Spikes?) 'Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Where are they in decline? Hmmm 2004 14-2 Super Bowl Champs 2005-11-5 (maybe), 1st or 2nd round playoff loss (likely) Looks to me like they are in decline in results :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 "The Pats have been striking out with FA signings lately." If "lately" means this year, I agree. Otherwise you are smoking the same stuff Max and Herm are. BB and Saban will have at it for the remainder of this decade. Two very, very good coaches. Pats must address rb age issue, Bruschi age issue (Vrable and Colvin are relatively young) and some key decisions need to be made: Seymour, Givens, Vinatieri. Miami must find a QB and address their aging defense too. Herm will continue as HC of the NY Football Jets, have RB age issues, have a major question mark at QB, need a TE, need receiver help. Must get O-line depth. Buffalo - no QB and no run defense (can you blame that all of Spikes?) 'Nuff said. Geez Garb settle down a bit. In case you haven't noticed I have given the Pats as much props as can possibly be given from a Jets fan. Other than Harrison, the FA signings for the Pats D have not been very impressive from a leadership standpoint nor a performance standpoint. Colvin has not come close to the expectations that Pats fans had when they signed him. Starks didn't even last a season. Beisel is a JAG at best. The Pats D used to be intimidating and disciplined. To continue to do so over the next few years will require somebody on that D to step up and be the leader. Who will that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 Colvin has not come close to the expectations that Pats fans had when they signed him. Booz, Rosy Colvin is playing some of his best football since he has joined the Pats. He has had 3 outstanding games in a row. Is he at the point where he was that game-changing player that he was when he was with the Bears? No he's not, but I like the way he is playing right now. It still amazes me that he made it back on to the football field after that serious hip injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 You do not know what you are talking about. Have you seen Colvin play lately? He looks like the Chicago Bears Colvin. Vrable IS A TREMENDOUS LEADER and a fanatstic player who has made a seamless transition to the inside. However, this year, BB and Pioli STRUCK out on the FA market. Besiel SUCKS. Starks REALLY SUCKS. Chad Brown should be rocking back and forth at the Shadey Acres Retirment Home. BTW - yes, the Pats have lost a little dicipline - because they have had what? 40 different starters this year? 10 of which were at strong safety. Dicipline is a by-product of continuity. However, lets be fair. Pats, historically, have had their share of penalities. Always been in the top 10 in penalties yards....I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Booz, Rosy Colvin is playing some of his best football since he has joined the Pats. He has had 3 outstanding games in a row. Is he at the point where he was that game-changing player that he was when he was with the Bears? No he's not, but I like the way he is playing right now. It still amazes me that he made it back on to the football field after that serious hip injury. You are starting to sound Jetish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 You do not know what you are talking about. Have you seen Colvin play lately? He looks like the Chicago Bears Colvin. Vrable IS A TREMENDOUS LEADER and a fanatstic player who has made a seamless transition to the inside. However, this year, BB and Pioli STRUCK out on the FA market. Besiel SUCKS. Starks REALLY SUCKS. Chad Brown should be rocking back and forth at the Shadey Acres Retirment Home. BTW - yes, the Pats have lost a little dicipline - because they have had what? 40 different starters this year? 10 of which were at strong safety. Dicipline is a by-product of continuity. However, lets be fair. Pats, historically, have had their share of penalities. Always been in the top 10 in penalties yards....I think. The key word: LATELY! He's been on the team for what, 3 years now and has ammassed 3 decent games? Granted he was hurt, but don't for a second try and tell me that Colvin has lived up to the expectations you all had for him the day you signed him. That would be like me trying to defend Sam Cowart when he was here. The bottom line, AGAIN: The Pats will always have playoff and/or SB potential so long as Belicheck is thew coach and brady is the QB. Whether or not they continue to reach that POTENTIAL is determined on how well they fill in the surrounding pieces. In stark contrast, the jets have nobody on the team that guarantees them playoff caliber potential. Not any individual player/players, and cerytainly not the coach. The Jets need a major overhaul to be in the same league as the pats on a consistent basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Over the next 5 years or so, I see the Pats and Phins fighting it out for the title and I see the Jets and Bills fighting for last place and another high draft pick. Discuss. and i can see in 5 years that you'll still have 5000 posts more than the next poster...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 The key word: LATELY! He's been on the team for what, 3 years now and has ammassed 3 decent games? Yes, this is his 3rd year. He was injured in the 1st half of the opener in 2003 and basically missed all 16 games. Last year he didn't even start until week 11 and played very good coming down the stretch last year, especially in the playoffs and Super Bowl. This year he started very slowly but has really picked up his game the last month. Again, he is not the dominating player he was with the Bears, but I'll take what he has been doing recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Have to agree with Tx and Garb in that a healthy Colvin has looked dominant of late. Keys to this years PATS play-off run will be Dillon staying healthy and BB assembling some form of a pass defense in the next 3 weeks. Those things take place and the PATS have to be considered a tough out come post season. Trying to project the AFCE for 5 years is rubbish though. The Jets season ended with Pennington/Fiedler injuries and the same would be true for the PATS if Brady and Flutie suffered a season ending injury. The reason the PATS are 8-5 is all Tom Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 The Jets season ended with Pennington/Fiedler injuries and the same would be true for the PATS if Brady and Flutie suffered a season ending injury. The Jets future for the next years ended on the day that Bradway prematurely offered Chad the keys to the empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 Have to agree with Tx and Garb in that a healthy Colvin has looked dominant of late. Keys to this years PATS play-off run will be Dillon staying healthy and BB assembling some form of a pass defense in the next 3 weeks. Those things take place and the PATS have to be considered a tough out come post season. Trying to project the AFCE for 5 years is rubbish though. The Jets season ended with Pennington/Fiedler injuries and the same would be true for the PATS if Brady and Flutie suffered a season ending injury. The reason the PATS are 8-5 is all Tom Brady. Good call Shelter. If the Pats are going to be successful in the playoffs, the defense needs to start creating some turnovers. The Pats defense is near the bottom of the league in turnovers created (the DB's must have dropped at least 15 INT's this year ). If you can create some turnovers in the playoffs, you stand a very good chance of advancing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 The Jets future for the next years ended on the day that Bradway prematurely offered Chad the keys to the empire. Maybe right Booz, but love him or hate him Pennington usually had us playing in January. I am sure we would take that in a minute this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Pats have had more turnovers the past three weeks than all the games before them The key to a Pats "run" is superior d-line play which helps hide the ridiculous flaws in the secondary....although, I for one, think Hobbs is a keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Nobody knows. But the phins have an old defense. Their core players (Thomas, Madison and Taylor) are all older) Patriots just have no defense. Their best player is Seymour, and he's not a gamechanger. Bruschi and McGinest are old and wont las much longer. Vrabel is over 30, but he'll be good still. They really have nothing on defense, but things can change quickly. Bills have a pretty good core with Spikes, Clements Schobel and Fletcher. But not as good as the Jets. Jets have the best defense in this division for at least the next 5 years, as it stands right now. This topic is flawed, nobody knows what the future is. If the Jets get Reggie Bush and Chad Pennington can stay healthy the rest of his career, nobody in this division as it stands right now, would touch the Jets. I wouldnt be surprised if Bilichik is gone in a year or 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 That is the most ridiculous post you have ever made, EB. Explain how the divisions best defense has only netted three victories? Teams can run on the Jets. I've seen teams throw on 'em too. Yup - as it stands today, Jets have the best defense ..... in Hampstead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Where are they in decline? QB? OLine? DLine? TE? WR? CB's Other than the two areas I think the Pats need to address (RB and LB), the other areas are as strong as ever and getting better. You are lost in the sauce old man if you don't see a decline anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 ...hey Smizzy, what did you get JonEJet? If it's so great, why hasn't he opened it? Does it smell funny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 ...hey Smizzy, what did you get JonEJet? If it's so great, why hasn't he opened it? Does it smell funny? That son ofa bitch won't open it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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