Jetsouth Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Please explain what was so great about Elway as a passer Watch this legend in action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsouth Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 In my lifetime, Unitas, Starr, Tarkenton, Griese, Montana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Please. Reeves was a hell a of HC. What? 1 of 4 HC's to take 2 different teams to a SB, one being the Falcons led by Chris Chandler? They just met some all time great teams in those SB's and Elway was still a baby for the most part when he was in Denver. QB's >>>> HC's - your team is the perfect example. BB is nothing without Tom Brady. Reeves was a hack who got his nut sack kicked in the Super Bowl by... Elway FTW. Shanny put Elway in that bootleg offense that was perfect for him. HCs = QBs Your team is the prefect example putting Sanchez in an antiquated offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Reeves was a hack who got his nut sack kicked in the Super Bowl by... Elway FTW. Shanny put Elway in that bootleg offense that was perfect for him. HCs = QBs Your team is the prefect example putting Sanchez in an antiquated offense. Reeves went to 4 SB's. Only 1 of 4 to go with 2 different teams and you're calling him a hack. Okay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Reeves went to 4 SB's. Only 1 of 4 to go with 2 different teams and you're calling him a hack. Okay... NFL HOF Elway - yes Reeves - no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 going back to the draft, Elway was a once in a generation type prospect. Like Peyton or Luck. Sanchez wasn't even close to that level of prospect. In fact, looking at Sanchez' career, I am not sure exactly what he did that was so great. At the time it was supposedly his accuracy. We have seen how that's worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 going back to the draft, Elway was a once in a generation type prospect. Like Peyton or Luck. Sanchez wasn't even close to that level of prospect. In fact, looking at Sanchez' career, I am not sure exactly what he did that was so great. At the time it was supposedly his accuracy. We have seen how that's worked out. No ones denying Elway's pedigree. He was a tool though with what he did to the Colts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 NFL HOF Elway - yes Reeves - no So QB's make HC's. Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 So QB's make HC's. Gotcha. I think the Saints would beg to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 So QB's make HC's. Gotcha. Yeah, Reeves made it to 3 Super Bowls (0 - 3) with Elway, but isnt in the HOF. Shanahan made it to 2 Super Bowls (2 - 0) with Elway and will be in the HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 No ones denying Elway's pedigree. He was a tool though with what he did to the Colts. He used to be a NY Yankee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I think the Saints would beg to differ. Meh, the Saints suck. Their defense is atrocious. He's leading the league in TD's and Yards. His team just sucks. Payton wouldnt help one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Yeah, Reeves made it to 3 Super Bowls (0 - 3) with Elway, but isnt in the HOF. Shanahan made it to 2 Super Bowls (2 - 0) with Elway and will be in the HOF. What has Shanahan done without one of the greatest QB's of all time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Yeah, Reeves made it to 3 Super Bowls (0 - 3) with Elway, but isnt in the HOF. Shanahan made it to 2 Super Bowls (2 - 0) with Elway and will be in the HOF. Those 96-98 Broncos teams were loaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 WHat about Elway was great? I dont know how anyone could say with a straight face that Elway was better than Marino. elway was totally better than marino. Arm, wheels, leadership, clutch. He was the most complete QB I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Those 96-98 Broncos teams were loaded. loaded bc they won. They won bc of Elway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 3 Kosar i would even put Brady before Kosar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 loaded bc they won. They won bc of Elway. Yeah the guy that rushed for 2000 yards didnt make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 elway was totally better than marino. Arm, wheels, leadership, clutch. He was the most complete QB I've ever seen. Its not even close imo. Elway 1984 - 380 attempts, 56% 2600 18/15 76.8 1985 - 605 attempts, 54% 3891 22/23 70.2 1986 - 504 attempts, 56% 3485 19/13 79.0 1987 - 410 attempts, 55% 3189 19/12 83.4 1988 - 496 attempts, 55% 3309 17/19 71.4 1989 - 416 attempts, 54% 3051 18/18 73.7 1990 - 502 attempts, 59% 3526 15/14 78.5 1991 - 451 attempts, 54% 3253 13/12 75.4 1992 - 316 attempts, 55% 2242 10/17 65.7 1993 - 551attempts, 63% 4030 25/10 92.8 1994 - 494attempts, 62% 3490 16/10 85.7 Marino 1984 - 564 attempts, 64% 5084 48/17 108.9 1985 - 567 attempts, 59% 4137 30/21 84.1 1986 - 623 attempts, 61% 4746 44/23 92.5 1987 - 444 attempts, 59% 3245 26/13 89.2 1988 - 606 attempts, 58% 4434 28/23 80.8 1989 - 550 attempts, 56% 3997 24/22 76.9 1990 - 531 attempts, 58% 3563 21/11 82.6 1991 - 549 attempts, 58% 3970 25/13 85.8 1992 - 554 attempts, 60% 4116 24/16 85.1 1993 - only played 5 games 1994 - 615 attempts, 63% 4453 30/17 89.2 The only thing Elway ever beat Marino in during that 10 years was throwing less picks, with less attempts and in 1990 he had a 1% point higehr completion percentage. Thats it. Marino was a better in every other years on every other stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Its not even close imo. Elway 1984 - 380 attempts, 56% 2600 18/15 76.8 1985 - 605 attempts, 54% 3891 22/23 70.2 1986 - 504 attempts, 56% 3485 19/13 79.0 1987 - 410 attempts, 55% 3189 19/12 83.4 1988 - 496 attempts, 55% 3309 17/19 71.4 1989 - 416 attempts, 54% 3051 18/18 73.7 1990 - 502 attempts, 59% 3526 15/14 78.5 1991 - 451 attempts, 54% 3253 13/12 75.4 1992 - 316 attempts, 55% 2242 10/17 65.7 1993 - 551attempts, 63% 4030 25/10 92.8 1994 - 494attempts, 62% 3490 16/10 85.7 Marino 1984 - 564 attempts, 64% 5084 48/17 108.9 1985 - 567 attempts, 59% 4137 30/21 84.1 1986 - 623 attempts, 61% 4746 44/23 92.5 1987 - 444 attempts, 59% 3245 26/13 89.2 1988 - 606 attempts, 58% 4434 28/23 80.8 1989 - 550 attempts, 56% 3997 24/22 76.9 1990 - 531 attempts, 58% 3563 21/11 82.6 1991 - 549 attempts, 58% 3970 25/13 85.8 1992 - 554 attempts, 60% 4116 24/16 85.1 1993 - only played 5 games 1994 - 615 attempts, 63% 4453 30/17 89.2 The only thing Elway ever beat Marino in during that 10 years was throwing less picks, with less attempts and in 1990 he had a 1% point higehr completion percentage. Thats it. Marino was a better in every other years on every other stat. Stats don't win games. Players do. Marino was a compiler, that's what he was great at. Elway was better at winning. If I had to play one game and pick between those two guys, I'm taking Elway every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Stats don't win games. Players do. Marino was a compiler, that's what he was great at. Elway was better at winning. If I had to play one game and pick between those two guys, I'm taking Elway every time. Elway had one more win than Marino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Elway had one more win than Marino. Where... in the playoffs? Superbowl? LOL I guess at the end of the day, none of these guys play the sport for championships... just stat compiling. Like I said, I don't even put Elway in the same class as a pure QB as Marino... but you are well beyond absurd at this point. sh*t, you started off comparing the guy to Sanchez. C'mon man!!!! COME ON!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Where... in the playoffs? Superbowl? LOL I guess at the end of the day, none of these guys play the sport for championships... just stat compiling. Like I said, I don't even put Elway in the same class as a pure QB as Marino... but you are well beyond absurd at this point. sh*t, you started off comparing the guy to Sanchez. C'mon man!!!! COME ON!!! I never compared Elway to Sanchez. I said he was putting up Sanchez like numbers early in his career. Elway won two Super Bowls in the twilight of his career on absolutely loaded teams. And the teams he went to the Super Bowl on in the 80's were 15th, 7th and 1st in overall defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I never compared Elway to Sanchez. I said he was putting up Sanchez like numbers early in his career. Elway won two Super Bowls in the twilight of his career on absolutely loaded teams. And the teams he went to the Super Bowl on in the 80's were 15th, 7th and 1st in overall defense. That's a comparison. Stop rambling for 5 minutes, read what you are spewing, and think about how it comes across to people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 loaded bc they won. They won bc of Elway. I suppose then he takes the blame for losing to the second year Jaguars at home in the playoffs as 14 point favorites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 i would even put Brady before Kosar. 3 Otto Graham, 4 Kosar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I think a head coach matters, but you don't need to have the same skill set as a coordinator. A good head coach is somewhat removed from the players and spends his time managing the coordinators and making sure they are doing what needs to be done. They are in a quality control type of role overseeing all operations. A coordinator needs to be hands on and understanding the strengths and weaknesses of everyone in his area and reporting to the coach. That is why you see so many new head coaches struggle off the bat because they try to use the same approach they had as a position coach or a coordinator as the head guy. I like what Tampa did with Greg Schiano, bring in someone with previous head coaching experience at some level who knows how to run a program instead of trying to ram a square peg into a round hole. Just because you are a good chef does not make you a great restaurant owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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