Jetsfan80 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Nor superior coaching or game planning. Yes, because our success on the defensive side of the ball has been pure talent. No Revis, slow-ass LB's, and no pass-rusher? No chance Rex is the reason we're still a top 5-10 unit. No chance. You've reached Richard Dawkins' levels of insanity when it comes to Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I thought the head coach coaches the entire team? So give rex props for the defense if you want but how about the other parts- he gets a pass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 Yes, because our success on the defensive side of the ball has been pure talent. No Revis, slow-ass LB's, and no pass-rusher? No chance Rex is the reason we're still a top 5-10 unit. No chance. You've reached Richard Dawkins' levels of insanity when it comes to Rex. Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I thought the head coach coaches the entire team? So give rex props for the defense if you want but how about the other parts- he gets a pass? No, but don't treat him like he's an awful HC for it either, for 2 reasons: 1) Most HC's focus on one side of the ball, and 2) Some HC's (Herm Edwards, Eric Mangini to name 2) suck at running EITHER unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Yes, because our success on the defensive side of the ball has been pure talent. No Revis, slow-ass LB's, and no pass-rusher? No chance Rex is the reason we're still a top 5-10 unit. No chance. You've reached Richard Dawkins' levels of insanity when it comes to Rex. 1) Richard Dawkins rules. 2) I'm willing to concede that Rex is a good defensive coach but guess what, if you fail at half your job, being good at the other half doesn't save you. Even if you don't know much about offence it's your job to bring in people who do and that has been an utter and complete failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I am a manager where I work like a head coach I am responsible for all of my department not one aspect to put it in business terms like sports is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Nor superior coaching or game planning. Superior talent. I always knew you loved Tanny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 No, but don't treat him like he's an awful HC for it either, for 2 reasons: 1) Most HC's focus on one side of the ball, and 2) Some HC's (Herm Edwards, Eric Mangini to name 2) suck at running EITHER unit. You can' pick and choose to be good at something yet horrible atu others. That is not the way you can coach,, or manage. Plus, Rex was the guy who wanted Sanchez, stuck by him and continues to stick by him. He brought in a horrible OC and his systems are antiquated. Rex is responsible for the offensive malaise as much as anybody. His fingerprints are all over the crime scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I am a manager where I work like a head coach I am responsible for all of my department not one aspect to put it in business terms like sports is Well, I think thats probably rare environment. Thats like saying your Director of Sales should be in charge of IT. Sure, he can manage and he's a good leader, but WTF does he know about IT? He'll probably hire someone to run his IT dept. If that person is good, they'll probably have a good IT dept. If that person sucks, they probably wont. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 You can' pick and choose to be good at something yet horrible atu others. That is not the way you can coach,, or manage. Plus, Rex was the guy who wanted Sanchez, stuck by him and continues to stick by him. He brought in a horrible OC and his systems are antiquated. Rex is responsible for the offensive malaise as much as anybody. His fingerprints are all over the crime scene. And then he spits in our face by BS'ing us about how great sanchez played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 You can' pick and choose to be good at something yet horrible atu others. He works to his strengths, what's wrong with that? Herm couldn't "pick and choose" what to be good at. He sucked at everything. Yet many here think he was the better HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Even if Rex were good at coaching offense as well, he's still saddled with Mark Sanchez. Is there any OC or HC in the NFL that could win with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 Well, I think thats probably rare environment. Thats like saying your Director of Sales should be in charge of IT. Sure, he can manage and he's a good leader, but WTF does he know about IT? He'll probably hire someone to run his IT dept. If that person is good, they'll probably have a good IT dept. If that person sucks, they probably wont. lol Does a CEO oversee all departments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I stand by Rex knows defense is good at game planning for that-part of being a good head coach is delegating responsibility to competent people to help run your team-so has he done that? let the debate begin oh it has already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Does a CEO oversee all departments? The CEO, in this case, is Mike Tannenbaum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 Even if Rex were good at coaching offense as well, he's still saddled with Mark Sanchez. Is there any OC or HC in the NFL that could win with him? Rex PICKED Sanchez. Others wanted Freeman. Rex was the guy that wanted him. It is his albatross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 You can' pick and choose to be good at something yet horrible atu others. That is not the way you can coach,, or manage. Plus, Rex was the guy who wanted Sanchez, stuck by him and continues to stick by him. He brought in a horrible OC and his systems are antiquated. Rex is responsible for the offensive malaise as much as anybody. His fingerprints are all over the crime scene. Get back on topic. This thread is about how the defense isn't good or isn't elite or whatever your adjective is on this page. Nobody here is arguing that the O is any good or has been handled well. If Rex loses his job this is why, not because the D is top 5-10, but not elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Even if Rex were good at coaching offense as well, he's still saddled with Mark Sanchez. Is there any OC or HC in the NFL that could win with him? Rex wanted Sanchez, encouraged the trade for him, never lobbied for a backup who could play and he continues to start Sanchez and make excuses for him. You can't reconcile those facts with making that excuse for Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I stand by Rex knows defense is good at game planning for that-part of being a good head coach is delegating responsibility to competent people to help riun your team-so has he done that? let the debate begin oh it has already I don't really have a big problem with how Sparano runs the offense. His philosophy of pairing a running game with a vertical offense is a strong one. Sparano owned Rex's defenses so there was some logic behind his hire as well. Problem is he has a retarded QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 The CEO, in this case, is Mike Tannenbaum. The CEO, in this case, is Mike Tannenbaum. Word is, that Rex has been involved in all picks. Compare the drafts from Mangini to Rex and you can see diminishing returns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Rex PICKED Sanchez. Others wanted Freeman. Rex was the guy that wanted him. It is his albatross. Tannenbaum drafted and extended him. GM's determine personnel far more than HC's who don't sit around watching college football gametape all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Word is, that Rex has been involved in all picks. Compare the drafts from Mangini to Rex and you can see diminishing returns Vernon Gholston was a Mangini-era pick. And a big reason our drafts have sucked is that we've been winning and picking in the back ends of drafts. Under Herm and Mangini we had opportunities to move up for guys like Revis. The only pick its been documented that Rex was 100 % responsible for was John Conner. I invite you to find me a link confirming Rex had more than a passing say in who gets drafted for his teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Tannenbaum drafted and extended him. GM's determine personnel far more than HC's who don't sit around watching college football gametape all season. Tannenbaum isn't a scout. He's drafted who rex and his awful staff want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 Get back on topic. This thread is about how the defense isn't good or isn't elite or whatever your adjective is on this page. Nobody here is arguing that the O is any good or has been handled well. If Rex loses his job this is why, not because the D is top 5-10, but not elite. This threead is about the Jets losing to playoff caliber teams in blow out fashion. That is reflective of offense, defense and as much, coaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Does a CEO oversee all departments? Are you saying a CEO is a HC? I dont think thats the right comparison. Also, I do work with a lot of companies that the CEO is a figure head. The real work is done by the CFO, CIO or CTO. But, every company is unique so its hard to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Tannenbaum isn't a scout. He's drafted who rex and his awful staff want. lol. He's the f***ing GM, head of the scouting department! He makes picks based on who Bradway and co. think they should pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 This threead is about the Jets losing to playoff caliber teams in blow out fashion. That is reflective of offense, defense and as much, coaching Except the Colts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Word is, that Rex has been involved in all picks. Compare the drafts from Mangini to Rex and you can see diminishing returns Gholston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 No GM takes his direct advice on who to draft from the HC. Tannenbaum would deserve to get fired yesterday if that were really the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Gholston. The fact that he's survived that pick this long just shows the utter lack of any accountability in this franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 The fact that he's survived that pick this long just shows the utter lack of any accountability in this franchise. On this we can agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Word is, that Rex has been involved in all picks. Compare the drafts from Mangini to Rex and you can see diminishing returns Where did you get that? Rex said he has 1 pick a year that is all his. He said he didnt want Hill. He laughed at a wide out in the 2nd round but was told it was a must pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 Vernon Gholston was a Mangini-era pick. And a big reason our drafts have sucked is that we've been winning and picking in the back ends of drafts. Under Herm and Mangini we had opportunities to move up for guys like Revis. The only pick its been documented that Rex was 100 % responsible for was John Conner. I invite you to find me a link confirming Rex had more than a passing say in who gets drafted for his teams. Check out the link to the SNY guys on Francesa's show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Where did you get that? Rex said he has 1 pick a year that is all his. He said he didnt want Hill. He laughed at a wide out in the 2nd round but was told it was a must pick. That pick is a travesty. A 2nd rounder on a raw project isn't a pick that a team with this garbage talent can afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 Except the Colts. Yup, if we wre to take the Colts result out of the equation, the numbers would beer VERY ugly. Give Rex credit,, he beat a rookie qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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