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Looks like one (if not both) of them will be available this off-season. If so, who would you like to see in Green & White?

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Neither and not Matt Moore either. He's terrible. I'd rather McElroy for a whole season and he's not going to be any good.

Where do you people think the Jets are going to come up with money to invest in the QB position? They'll cut Tebow but still have McElroy and Sanchez. If anything, they'll draft somebody to haha dev... hahah. Develop. hahaha

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Neither and not Matt Moore either. He's terrible. I'd rather McElroy for a whole season and he's not going to be any good.

Where do you people think the Jets are going to come up with money to invest in the QB position? They'll cut Tebow but still have McElroy and Sanchez. If anything, they'll draft somebody to haha dev... hahah. Develop. hahaha

LOL love that last bit there.

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Neither. Go with Matt Moore.

Cheaper option, hold the fort while you rebuild.

Agreed. Would go with Matt Moore or another similarly cheap veteran who you can make a short-term commitment. Then take him, McElroy (if he shows anything worth a damn over these next two weeks) and a mid-rounder, throw them into a full-on open competition and let the best man win.

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I have this little bit of hope that the Jets will be able to work out a trade of Sanchez for Matt Flynn. Basically a larger scale Wayne Hunter for Jason Smith deal. Two teams unloading bad choices. Not that I see Flynn as any sort of savior, just that getting Sanchez off the roster would be a huge move in the right direction.

Barring that, a Campbell or a Moore would be fine as a short term move. I'd also be looking at "all the tools" type QB projects in the middle rounds. Guys who look like they should be first rounders on paper, but fell for whatever reason. A GM who knows how to hold onto and/or collect draft picks can pick one of those guys every other year. It's a nice way to build some stability at the position.

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Smith.

Not sure why people keep bringing Cousins up. The skins drafted him for a reason, to be RG3's long term backup. No way they move him.

I think the bigger reason they drafted him was in case they whiffed on RG3. If they're confident that they haven't done that, they may be willing to move him for the right offer.

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I have this little bit of hope that the Jets will be able to work out a trade of Sanchez for Matt Flynn. Basically a larger scale Wayne Hunter for Jason Smith deal. Two teams unloading bad choices. Not that I see Flynn as any sort of savior, just that getting Sanchez off the roster would be a huge move in the right direction.

Barring that, a Campbell or a Moore would be fine as a short term move. I'd also be looking at "all the tools" type QB projects in the middle rounds. Guys who look like they should be first rounders on paper, but fell for whatever reason. A GM who knows how to hold onto and/or collect draft picks can pick one of those guys every other year. It's a nice way to build some stability at the position.

Do you see Flynn being better than McElroy? or are we talking about the same type of QB?

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Do you see Flynn being better than McElroy? or are we talking about the same type of QB?

Maybe he's better. He certainly had better coaching in Green Bay than anyone's gotten on the Jets at the position in a long, long time. Maybe ever.

What I really see it as is the only real possibility to get Sanchez off the roster. That's the big benefit.

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Maybe he's better. He certainly had better coaching in Green Bay than anyone's gotten on the Jets at the position in a long, long time. Maybe ever.

What I really see it as is the only real possibility to get Sanchez off the roster. That's the big benefit.

Got it. But if McElroy shows signs this week and next I do hope he is really given a faior shot to lead this team. I hope we make some moves for a WR, Big TE and another RB. In addition to an OLB.

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Neither. Go with Matt Moore.

Cheaper option, hold the fort while you rebuild.

Agreed. Would go with Matt Moore or another similarly cheap veteran who you can make a short-term commitment. Then take him, McElroy (if he shows anything worth a damn over these next two weeks) and a mid-rounder, throw them into a full-on open competition and let the best man win.

Agreed. I like these ideas. Plus, there is a small part of me that thinks Moore could actually develop into a slightly above average starter. He reminds me a lot of Matt Schaub.

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Agreed. I like these ideas. Plus, there is a small part of me that thinks Moore could actually develop into a slightly above average starter. He reminds me a lot of Matt Schaub.

So you're signing him to be the #3 QB? I'm not sure where Sanchez and GMac are going, especially if McElroy plays decently the last two games. There is no room cap or roster wise for another game managing QB.

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So you're signing him to be the #3 QB? I'm not sure where Sanchez and GMac are going, especially if McElroy plays decently the last two games. There is no room cap or roster wise for another game managing QB.

I'm thinking (or maybe hoping) the Jets cut ties with Sanchez, no matter the cap repercussions. I mean, really, who cares? They're not going to be competitive next season anyway. Whats the big deal if you take in that ass from a cap perspective for a season?

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I'm thinking (or maybe hoping) the Jets cut ties with Sanchez, no matter the cap repercussions. I mean, really, who cares? They're not going to be competitive next season anyway. Whats the big deal if you take in that ass from a cap perspective for a season?

I think that is wishful thinking. You can't cut Sanchez and be competitive base on the remifications of the salary cap. There is no way that Woody will want the Jets to be bad and no make him gobs of money. They could probably try and sneak into the playoffs next year. I just don't see them signing a free agent. Draft a mid round QB to develop (if they have the right coaching) sure, but not sign someone.

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Smith.

Not sure why people keep bringing Cousins up. The skins drafted him for a reason, to be RG3's long term backup. No way they move him.

Sort of. They used a mid-round pick for him to be RGIII's backup. But in turning down a high pick, they're essentially burning that 2012 4th rounder used to draft him AND the 2013 1st or 2nd rounder (assuming that's what he would fetch) they'd be turning down. For a backup QB. For a team that has no first round pick in 2013 or 2014 and didn't have a 2nd rounder in 2012.

So that's 3 first rounders and a 2nd rounder on their starting QB and a 1st/2nd rounder(?) and a 4th rounder on his backup.

A mid- or early-2nd for Washington's backup QB, who (barring serious RG3 injury) is not in their plans as a future starter for them, would be a tough thing for a GM to turn down. An offer of a first would (or should) be impossible to refuse.

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Matt Moore sucks at playing Quarterback.

Alex Smith isn't a sexy acquisition but he's everything Rex would want out of a QB. High completion percentage and a very nice TD to INT ratio. He's also dealt with all kinds of drama in SF so should be prepared mentally to deal with these vultures in the media.

I never would have thought I'd be hoping for Alex Smith but I think he's the best and most logical choice.

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I think that is wishful thinking. You can't cut Sanchez and be competitive base on the remifications of the salary cap. There is no way that Woody will want the Jets to be bad and no make him gobs of money. They could probably try and sneak into the playoffs next year. I just don't see them signing a free agent. Draft a mid round QB to develop (if they have the right coaching) sure, but not sign someone.

News flash (as though you didn't know this already): they aren't winning a superbowl in 2013. Too many holes (either from under-performers or 2013 team FAs) with too little cap space to fill those holes. We're rebuiling next year. Or we should be, anyway.

It's why Tannenbaum has to go. To try and save himself he'll screw our relatively clean slates for 2014 and beyond to hopefully squeak out another 7 to 8 win season instead of a 3 to 6 win season. All to be more "competitive" in 2-3 more ultimately inconsequential games? No thanks.

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I think that is wishful thinking. You can't cut Sanchez and be competitive base on the remifications of the salary cap. There is no way that Woody will want the Jets to be bad and no make him gobs of money. They could probably try and sneak into the playoffs next year. I just don't see them signing a free agent. Draft a mid round QB to develop (if they have the right coaching) sure, but not sign someone.

It might be, but under your theory you cant keep Sanchez and expect to be competitive either. If they cut ways with Sanchez, I can definitely see them signing a cheap FA hold the fort vet assuming McElroy sucks as bad as I think he does.

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Looks like one (if not both) of them will be available this off-season. If so, who would you like to see in Green & White?

Who the Jets fan would like to see here, and what we get are usually 2 different things. Based on Woody Johnson's track record for wanting to make big splash back page worthy crap regardless if its good attention, or bad, and the Jets decided to pick up a QB next season from the available pool, there is no doubt in my mind Vick would be the choice, Woody just wouldn't be able to help himself.

Now what the Jets really need to do is make a decision on who the FUTURE QB is going to be, whether they draft one, sign one, or trade for one, and this needs to be a decision that will give said QB 2 years no more, no less to prove he is the right choice, and by that I mean 2013 is a wash, who ever is starting here next year needs to have a new O-Coordinator with a up to date passing NFL offense, and should be given the chance to throw the ball 30-50 times a game, every game while learning the new system, and NEVER told to bring in the reigns, take your lumps, and let whom ever is at QB learn the system, and learn from the mistakes he makes. 2014 if done properly could see the Jets roster have good enough talent everywhere to contend, that is the year the new QB has to show he belongs as the leader of the offense, and prove he has what it takes to take over a game, and win it for you, if after year 2 this does not seem to be the case start over with a new QB, hell with the new CBA you can draft a QB in the 1st round every damn year if you want, the salary's, and guarnateed money won't set your franchise back 5 years like it used to. Funny about the 5 year thing, next year is the 5th year since we drafted Sanchez, and I would bet a lot of money we have our worst season record wise since 2007! I pray its a 1-15 season if its not a playoff team, there are 2 once in a decade players coming out in the 2014 draft (more than likely, both will be eligible to, I highly doubt either risks the chance of injury if their stock is as high as they are right now).

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Got it. But if McElroy shows signs this week and next I do hope he is really given a faior shot to lead this team. I hope we make some moves for a WR, Big TE and another RB. In addition to an OLB.

As long as he looks even half decent, I don't think there's any particular reason to not let McElroy be part of the picture next season, even if only for TC. That said, I still think that no matter how good he looks these next two weeks, you cannot rely solely on him and still need to bring in some other options at the position.

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News flash (as though you didn't know this already): they aren't winning a superbowl in 2013. Too many holes (either from under-performers or 2013 team FAs) with too little cap space to fill those holes. We're rebuiling next year. Or we should be, anyway.

It's why Tannenbaum has to go. To try and save himself he'll screw our relatively clean slates for 2014 and beyond to hopefully squeak out another 7 to 8 win season instead of a 3 to 6 win season. All to be more "competitive" in 2-3 more ultimately inconsequential games? No thanks.

It might be, but under your theory you cant keep Sanchez and expect to be competitive either. If they cut ways with Sanchez, I can definitely see them signing a cheap FA hold the fort vet assuming McElroy sucks as bad as I think he does.

If they fire Tannenbaum and the new GM (god bless him) comes in, I could see them cutting Sanchez (and firing Rex). And starting clean slate in 2014 when hopefully a better QB crop will be available.

That said, wouldn't it be funny if they brought back Stanton next season. :)

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If they fire Tannenbaum and the new GM (god bless him) comes in, I could see them cutting Sanchez (and firing Rex). And starting clean slate in 2014 when hopefully a better QB crop will be available.

That said, wouldn't it be funny if they brought back Stanton next season. :)

I would pick a different word to describe that situation, should it materialize.

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That said, wouldn't it be funny if they brought back Stanton next season. :)

That goes to show just how bad of a decision maker Tannenbaum actually is. They signed Stanton and then couldn't help themselves in their quest for headlines with the Tebow acquisition. WTF?

If Stanton is on the team this season the Jets are probably in the playoffs.

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That goes to show just how bad of a decision maker Tannenbaum actually is. They signed Stanton and then couldn't help themselves in their quest for headlines with the Tebow acquisition. WTF?

If Stanton is on the team this season the Jets are probably in the playoffs.

Doubtful. The only difference probably would have been that it would have been Stanton who led the late victory against Arizona and who would now be starting this week. I'm sure little else would have been any different.

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